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fprintf
Sep 27, 2004, 10:25 AM
I repieced together my Marauder that I had blown up on the winch earlier this year. I fear, however, that I have not repaired it correctly because it doesn't fly as I remember it -- it does not take kindly to gusts of wind nor medium sized control inputs. However at the end of the day when there was no wind I was able to tame the plane and finally able to get it to fly very slow, open thermal circles. Otherwise I was wobbly and all over the place - stalling quite a bit.

Here are the symptoms:
When trimmed for a non-porpoising glide it flies somewhat slowly. If I add up trim the plane slows down and then starts to stall. If a gust comes along in either configuration the plane will balloon and then stall. I need to be vigilant on the elevator at all times. If I add downtrim to the plane it starts to dive.

In turns the plane needs quite a bit of up elevator. However the plane will very easily run out of airspeed and stall. Flying the plane faster with less up elevator usually means it will balloon as it comes into the wind *or* will dive on the downwind side of the turn.

I know the CG is pretty far back, as best I can tell using the fingertip method. I had to add quite a bit of glue and fiberglass to the tail to get the plane back together and only added a small amount of noseweight to compensate. There is a small amount of visible elevator uptrim in relation to the fixed stab. Adding more noseweight does not improve the described symptoms.

So what should I look for? I am thinking I need to make sure there are no twists along the wing. What is frustrating about my experimentation yesterday is that adding noseweight only seemed to add to the amount of uptrim I needed, but did not seem to otherwise change the symptoms. Reading my description about makes it seem like my CG needs to go further forward. Thoughts on some experiments I can run to further diagnose the situation?

graham_mca
Sep 27, 2004, 11:46 AM
Hi fprintf,
just as a first thought... is it possible that the tailplane incidence has been reduced during the repair work?

John Ruff
Sep 27, 2004, 04:25 PM
Actually it sounds to me like the cg is too far forward not too far back, but I'm sure no expert

petefly58
Sep 27, 2004, 05:31 PM
There are several things to do with your newly repaired Marauder. It sounds like you've done some of them already. Check both wings for any sort of warps and check them for lateral balance meaning that they are the same weight when on the airplane. Also, if there is any washout on the wingtips, is it equal for both wings? Next check the decalage.......make sure it matches what is on the plans and make sure the tail surfaces are absolutely warp free. Then check and recheck the CG. Be conservative here at first....that is slightly nose down at the CG as marked on the plans. Arrange things so that you are able to remove or add 1/4 OZ of weight at a time. You might also want to get an experienced flier to evaluate your Marauder if any are available. It is always helpful to get this kind of second opinion. Congratulations on getting her back together!! Good luck

Pete

fprintf
Sep 27, 2004, 06:45 PM
Thanks guys. It'll be another 2 weeks before i get out to the field next. In the meantime I'll do the checks you have described and we'll see how it goes!

solo6796
Sep 27, 2004, 09:33 PM
Check your incidence. I would think that with the CG back, zero would work......

AJ

fprintf
Oct 15, 2004, 07:31 AM
Ok I checked the way the wing fit in the saddle, incidence of the tailplane etc. and everything seemed fine. So I just added a ton of weight (maybe an ounce or two - 4 sheets of 3/4" x 1/2" roofing/flashing lead) to the nose.

It flies *beautifully* now. Nice and smooth and does not require a whole lot of uptrim. Of course now it is not as sensitive as I am used to, so I will slowly remove weight but I think on that particular flying day I was flying with the CG *wayyyyyy* back. In fact, when I did the finger/pencil balance test (a gross approximation, I know) I found the CG to be about 45% of the chord. I am surprised it flew as well as it did! Now the CG is just behind the spar at the rear edge of the recommended range.

So it was a CG problem after all. I took any weights off of the right wingtip since they seem to do more harm than good.

Hostage-46
Oct 17, 2004, 12:04 AM
So now go ahead and sneak some of the lead in tiny increments out until she's too twitchy for your taste, then put in that last piece and you'll be good to go.

CG is key! and there no right answer, it's a personal preferece.