SLOW jet???

[SMAAAAK!]

Anyone kow of an edf that looks like a modern fighter that flies more like a slow stick ...... I'm not talking about a beginner plane but someting I can make slow circuits in my front yard with .... needs to look fairly realistic but obviously would have too much wing to be scale prob have to hand catch it so no 25 mph stall speed stuff ....Thanks,
Kevin

[sibstar]

GWS A-10 sounds like a kit you may be interested in. easy to fly but the power is abit marginal on stock.

[dave morris]

EDF50's on the A-10, hand launch and hand catch. Must be kept very light for best performance, lipos help. Plenty of stuff about them here. Down side of the EDF 50 is the motors don't last long. Very slow speed and climb.

[SMAAAAK!]

thought about it but looking for something a little more impressive like f-16 or something ... prefer balsa ..... was thinking just built light with too much wing ..... I have 3 gws models now and am not impressed with them

[Fiasco]

thought about it but looking for something a little more impressive like f-16 or something ... prefer balsa ..... was thinking just built light with too much wing ..... I have 3 gws models now and am not impressed with them

What's wrong with your GWS planes? For the price it's hard not to be impressed by GWS planes.

[ssyed]

lance nordby made a guillows f-16. edf parkflyer size.... search for it...

[SMAAAAK!]

I tire of this debate ..... GWS is quick easy cheap and FOAM I don't have a thing in the world against gws stuff ( I did say I have three of them) but foam models tend to be heavy draggy sloppy and cheap looking ...... I want something with shrink covering and sleek smooth lines.....besides gws doesn't make a fighter jet ...... a-10 doesn't qualify ....... but, very seriously Thankyou for taking the time to suggest it no advice is bad advice .... well except for bad adv.... nevermind :D
Kevin

[SMAAAAK!]

Now that's the stuff ...... now how bout something bigger like 24 - 36 inch ws arf would be nice but lazer cut would do

[Larry Dudeck]

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=271581

Yea, it's foam. But you could build it out of balsa...

[Huckebein]

http://www.balsapr.com/catalog/kits/ffjView.asp?ProductId=U026117&LargeImage=yes


Does anyone have experience with this plane? I am looking for the same sort of thing myself. :D

[Huckebein]

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=271581

Yea, it's foam. But you could build it out of balsa...

Yeah ... but I can't imagine that plane being slow either. It looks like a burner to me! (Very very cool by the way)

zooooooooommmmmmm!!! :D

[esb-help]

guillows build-n-show,but your not goin to fly in your front yard,unless it's the size of a baseball diamond,all built up and covered in solite,cd-rom bl with 2s1p 700-830's,ccmicro 10 esc, cirurs 4.4 servos running tailerons,3x3 prop, auw 4 1/4oz! puts out a constant 7oz of thrust! do the math :D here's my f-16 but cf threw out,to answer your? if you put in a ips motor running a 3x3-3x2 prop with lipos you can fly real slow after the hand launch,this is the setup i had in before cd-rom motor,i ounce nosed it in and it did'nt even penatrate threw the grass :D fyi with the cd-rom setup and the appogee 830's it hauls around at 65-70mph but can be slowed down to a fast walking pace without stalling! they're a ball ;)

[esb-help]

oh i forgot to mention the f-14,yep its goin to have functional swing wing :eek:

[SMAAAAK!]

Larry,
If I were to have another foam plane that would be the way to go....VERY interesting
ESB,
Very interesting.... what kind of ws do they have .... any reason a person couldn't stretch the wings a little? .... I guess when to get the 14 done you won't have any need for the old 16 ..... I suppose I COULD give it a home if you insist .....:D

[ssyed]

Theres nothing wrong w/ GWS its great for the $$$ but some people have more $$$ and want something nice.... its a great deal but not the best product...

i think if u want a front yard flyer there isn't really anything F-16 like... i mean you simply cannot fly a plane w/ such a high wingloading in an area as big as a front yard... you need to go really fast... i'm sure you could make a park flyer that fits those req. (such as all those guillows models... they are park sized!) ... i'm of course talking of a average 40X50 front yard like mine.... i can barely fly a slow stick in my front yard!
the ALFA mig is a good park flyer as well....
another thing might be the fantastic Mig or sabre... that is indoor so i guess its okay for front yard... but 25 mph winds....NO! ... more like 0 mph

[sbmon]

slow jet? = jumbo shrimp

[SMAAAAK!]

My front yard is 3 or 4 times that size but there is no margian for error.... with all four sides blocked .... house treeline powerlines my shop and telephone line .... my theory is very similar to the depron and the guillows ..... maybe with about 10 or 15% more wing ......do you have links to any of those you just mentioned? ..... I REALLY want to look like I'm doing the tom cruise thing without raising my blood pressure :D

[SMAAAAK!]

yep and ain't a thing wrong with jumbo shrimp ......... dang it... now I'm hungry again

[SMAAAAK!]

whatcha think larry..... 2 edf 75's?

[esb-help]

the ws are f-15 12 3/4,f-14-19 extended,10 swept f-16-12 1/8 :D no jumbo shrimp here! almost exact scale,you have to try you'll like! they fly slow if you want but can also burn up the sky! good eye sight a must!exspeically with the bl setup,as a comparison the f-15 with ips dd,3x3 prop and tailerons for control can fly as slow as a tigermoth if you want :eek: its a flat bottom airfoil with a lot of lifting surface in the fuse,when they do stall they do'nt drop a wing,the rear end falls slightly and waddles like a duck :D keep em at around 5oz. and you 'll have a winner,trust me,heres a pic of the f-15 sitting on my guillows b-17 conversion(30flights on her) and yes all 4 turn+ counter rotate :D

[Jet Mechanic]

It would probably be best if you designed and built your own "slow jet" because there aren't really any slow jets with the exception of the GWS A-10.

For what you want, you could base the design off a F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18, or even a F-22. But have the wing have more surface area for wing loading and with a wider wingspan.

[SMAAAAK!]

This is ******* KEWEL Just watched the vid of the depron plane ....... WOW I could almost do that ....... the size is perfect ..... It flies great ..... a bit too good for me but I think I could slow it down ......too bad there isn't a balsa kit that size ....
Larry, do you have the plans out yet? maybe I can do it in balsa.... or I dunno .... wish I could see it in person and get a better idea of the speed.... looks to be really hauling in the vid..... gotta love the landing ....I think I may have to get a guillows and at least check it out ......scale up the wings and even widen the fuse a little ...... sounds alot like work ......

[Larry Dudeck]

Smaaak,

As much as I would like to, I must give all credit to jetset44. Just one example of a scratch builder's skill.

As you can gather from reading these posts, what you want will be very difficult to find. The main idea is to minimize the weight and increase wing area which will allow for slow flight.

Sadly, you won't get there with EDF's. Your only hope will be a prop as $ for $, amp for amp, ounce for ounce, a prop will outperform an EDF every time.

Also,
the 50's era of jets, (F86, F9F, Mig15) all have plan forms that lend themselves to slow fliers. Easy Built kits has a beautiful F9F, 18" WS, FF model that is designed for Jetex power, all balsa with tissue covering. With todays magnetic actuators for aileron and elevator, LiPo battery, micro radio and a suitable GWS motor/prop pusher, a skillfull builder can have a first rate park flier that will look and fly better than anything commercially availble.

It's a lot of work but I think the results would be worth the effort.

[bps]

How about the FanTastic Jets. I know that they are dupron but nice looking kit and they fly slow.

JEB :D

[SMAAAAK!]

does depron hold up to heat better than beer cooler stuff? Ie can it be covered easily? ...... size isn't really the issue..... mainly speed .... I don't mind a plane that will haul when I punch it but It needs to be able to fly slow without constantly trying to dork itself ..... I taped an edf-75 to the top of a guilows flying eagle (foam glider) and it flew nicely .... not at all fast but sounded really cool and was a blast ..... pusher prop is prob what I'll end up with but wouldn't the edf be KEWL....
Not in to the 50's stuff ..... I'll keep trying till I make the modern jet float. Based on my own thoughts and all the input I've recieved here I'm sure it can be done....gonna have to decide what has to be heavy and what can be light...... I'm getting really excited ..... I've never knowingly handled depron. The closest is pink f3 I like that WAY better than gws type foam because damaged parts can be cut out and replaced instead of molding it together with glue or buying a new plane ..... two hours and 2 dollard and poof ....new plane..... Ok well maybe not always that easy..... I definately need some plans
These fantastic jets.... do you have a link?
Thanks
Kevin

[Tram]

lines.....besides gws doesn't make a fighter jet ...... a-10 doesn't qualify ....... :D

I know several Hog pilots that would disagree with that. :)

Has anyone tried the a10 on the fieago's yet?

[LTChip]

http://www.conversionmotorworks.com/Airplane%20Kits.htm

These guys sell BL EDF packages for the Fan-tastic models.

Good guys to deal with.

[SMAAAAK!]

Sorry tram but an A-10 is not what I consider to be a fighter jet ..... if goose and maverick had been in a hog when they met up with the mig the movie would have been filmed in russia :D..... It is a fine plane ... don't get me wrong but not what I'm looking for ..... If at all possible I'd like to keep this thread on topic .... ya know minus gws I hope that isn't stepping on anyone's toes as this thread has been VERY helpfull to me so far and I'm sure there are others who will also benifit ......
I found fantastic's site ..... only old jets, but thanks for the suggestion ....... keep em comming ..... please
Kevin

[Tram]

If you use Maverick as your "typical fighter pilot" very few fighter pilots exist. :) Maverick never met a "mig" anyway.. :D

Anyway, on topic is a very good idea. Have you thought about the Fantastic Mig 15? I know it is slow enough to fly indoors... I have flown one and they're very nice fliers...

[SMAAAAK!]

yeah looks great but too old and too small ....... I'm really liking larry's plane ... just wondering if I can get my hansd on the plan and make a few changes to lighten it up for slower flight and give it a little more wing area .... maybe make it from balsa .... with solite of similar

[SMAAAAK!]

sure he did ... mig-28 I believe ...beginning of the movie ..... he flipped the guy off and goose took a polariod ..... as for typical ...... uh I'm not actually gonna be in the plane I'm too tall to be a fighter pilot ... :D this is a fantasy kind of hobby ...... agreed?

[Tram]

He met an F-5 painted like a Mig. :)

[SMAAAAK!]

touche .... but I am ready for that ..... Maverick is a fictional character and as such he is bound only by the rules of his fictional world ....in the movie it was stated as fact that it was a mig 28 ..... you could say tom cruise never went up against a mig.... or a cesna for that matter ........... Now back on topic HAHAHAHAHAHA

[Tram]

Except for the fact that Tom Cruise, in his fleet of I believe 9 aircraft, owns several Mig's of his own. :P

[SMAAAAK!]

did not know that ..... does he fly them?

[sibstar]

you asked for a jet fighter that flys like a slow stick. Thats abit of a contradiction really, so thats why the A-10 was suggested by people. I love the plane and looks great in the air. We fly one here with the himax brushless setup for more punch.
The only other way to get a "slow stick" jet fight will be to increase the wing size considerably. Downside is that it won't look like its supposed to. Imo.

[SMAAAAK!]

sibstar if you read the thread I specifically stated that I intend to increase the wings and that I don't expect it to look exactly like the real thing .... When I started this thread it wasn't with the intention of debating gws A-10's ....... I said it before and I'll say it again Thankyou for the suggestion but no. I can't have every plane out there so I must make choices I am working on aquiring for my collection a modern fighter jet. If you still insist that I own a gws A-10 I'll pm you my address and you can send me the kit servos rx speed controll and any other things that you feel I must own. Let me know :D
This is not imposible .... it is not a contradiction
I want a parkflyer that has a very low wing loading and for the most part resembles a modern fighter jet .....

[Tram]

Yes, Tom flies all of his jets.. I hear he's quite the collector..

If you find the jet your looking for, let me know, as I may want one too... I dunno, past the FTM models, i bet it's gonna be hard.. Too bad they didn't put out the F-100...

[SMAAAAK!]

Well I've come to the conclusion that I'm gonna have to build it myself but I don't think it's gonna be all that tough ..... I need to get my hands on some plans though because while I can do all sorts of engineering I am no artist One of these depron jets would be perfect ..... maybe I can go from the same plan to a balsa plane or maybe I can cover depron.... The existing planes have to be able to withstand 60 mph plus, mine won't need to go much over 20 then there is the weight diff between 1000 mah and 4400 mah for the big boys ..... of course If I pick it up and it shatters in my hand that would not be great but It doesn't have to go as slow as the stick and it better handle way better but I am not good enough for a 14 inch plane thet runs 60 - 80 mph and rools 10 times in 10 feet ..... plus I'm not looking for an adrenaline rush (I've got a quadzilla for that) I want it to be relaxing ..... ya know time to straighten my shades if I feel the need

[SMAAAAK!]

I no longer consider ole thomas to be an ok guy ...... I now envy him way too much to like him

[Tram]

Let us know what you come up with..

[SMAAAAK!]

you ever try to cover depron in film?

[Tram]

Nah.. never done that.

[windface]

oh i forgot to mention the f-14,yep its goin to have functional swing wing :eek: Can a microfan go in :confused: and it is abailabol link please.

[Al_]

If you want a good slow-speed jet, straight wings will be a better route. There are a few kits out there with a simple straight a wing and a box fusealage. As for the ducted fan, a kit that has the elevator and rudder behind the fan will give you control at low speeds.

[sibstar]

Last edited by SMAAAAK! : Today at 04:21 AM. Reason: I wasn't very nice before ...... sorry.

Thats alright. I didn't get to read what you wrote before the edit. ;)

After looking at the thread again i see you stated increasing wing size so my mistake.

I am in the process of making a jet from foam with some edf55's i have lying around. This is having high straight wings and will have a similar profile to an alpha jet.

[SMAAAAK!]

anyone know of a link to some FFF f-16 plans or similar?

[stacker]

Smaaaak, You could just take the Gillows F16 plans and scale them up. I think you can order just the plans. Change the angle of swept wing to get a bit more area and cover plane in 1/32 basa. Should not be a lot of work, kinda like a quick valve job on a V8 motor. "Just yank out the motor, toss in the new valves, and throw it back in".

Another plane might be the FyingStyro f16, but it is also foam and from what I've seen, very fragile.

Good luck----Stacker

[Jet Mechanic]

ohhh yea, the Flying Styro F16 is very fragile! I have one

[Bara]

hi friends,

did anyone already built an GWS F-15 jet with impeller engine? If so, please let me take part in your experiences. I would be thankful for any kind of information.

Thanks Bara

[IWC]

http://www.mountainmodels.com/product_info.php?cPath=25_29_72&products_id=232

you might want to check this trainer out.

[demetrius]

How about an L-39? I'ld love to see a very small super light weight front yard flyer? What do you think? Maybe with my color scheme? ;)
Interesting Thread! I enjoyed reading this one! :D :D

[scratchandbash]

oh i forgot to mention the f-14,yep its goin to have functional swing wing :eek:
Nice stuff! I'm going to have to stop by sometime when I'm in the 'Burgh, to see your Guillows stuff. I'm only there everyday, at work. My uncles are in Crafton and Greentree, so I do get out that way occasionally. Have to see my Guillows collection too someday. I keep looking at those Guillows jets, as I've been doing a lot of stuff with EDF40 and 50s lately.


It would probably be best if you designed and built your own "slow jet" because there aren't really any slow jets with the exception of the GWS A-10.

I agree.
As for the thread owner, if you're into scratch building, you can build EDF's with large undercamber wings, and get very nice, easy to fly trainers. I have two, that are absolutely forgiving on turns, 100% stable, and land well on power off glide. The AR234 now has a Firebird Commander wing. The pic shows the old wing. The ME262 has a slightly reshaped undercamber wing from a high wing FSK Leonardo trainer. I would say these planes are about as easy to fly as a GWS Beaver, except faster at full throttle. I saw this simple Twin Jet design on RC Micro Flight, before it closed. Easy to scratch build, just by looking at the pic.

Bill

[hammo6]

Hey Smaaaak,

Check this Web the jets look like they fly very sedate and controllable (except the chubby F16), the landing almost land vertical and they are modern jets check the F18 and F16.

http://www.gcpcorp.jp/a-crew/index.html.

David

[rdeis]

www.parkjets.com

lightly loaded pusher jets, great flyers, and they'll go rediculously slow.

And if you finish it like J Morgan does, it will look better than any covered balsa model you've ever seen.