crash!!! now what?

[xoon]

hey guys when flying this afternoon and guess what the plane is crashed... i didn't crash but my big sister did. I was flying w/ my instructor and my sister standing right next to me and begging me to let her try. so I did, and this is an aerobatic trainer for DURAPLANE and the roll rate is super fast. she took me buddy box and when on she pulled the stick and a second later the plane was lying on the ground. the wing is serverly cracked, and so is the fuse I will post some pictures tomorrow.

so I'm now in search of a trainer, but not an aerobatic trainer. I heard my instructor said something about a trainer plane named Goldstar(t), have anyone here heard of it some links would be great. so now what I got left is an .40 os engine, and everything else. please help I want to fly on Labor day weekend

[GaryMC1]

Sorry to hear about your ship.

Goldberg is one of the oldest R/C airplane companies. They have a reputation of being one of the best.

Depending on the amount of money that you want to spend, I would suggest an 'ARF,' or Almost Ready To Fly.' Because you have the engine and radio, you won't need to buy the complete kits, some of which come complete with engine and radio systems.

This is the Goldberg Eagle 2 ARF. (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDJE4&P=0) For $109 plus shipping, you can install the engine and radio, and be ready in a couple of days to fly.

This is the Global RCM trainer ARF. (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXWH71&P=0) Unlike the Goldberg, the wing mounts with screws, instead of rubber bands.

This is the Hobbico SuperStar 40 ARF. (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXK971&P=0) It also is a good trainer.

This is the Sig Kadet LT-40. (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXFG19&P=0) This was recommended to me as a great beginners trainer, also.

All of these will require that you install the engine and radio system from your previous airplane. If you aren't sure, ask your instructor for help.

On another note, if you sister wishes to fly with you, I would highly recommend that she starts with an instructor on her own. Of course, if she's only seven or something, that may be a bit impractical, but a teenager or older would or should have no issue learning to fly R/C.

Gary

[Bako]

hey man I learned to fly on GRAUPNER AMATEUR 2. it's wonderfull to learn.
and by the way my friend forgot to adjust more rabbers on wing on amateur 2 and the wing left in the air about 1 minute and the fuselage hit the ground from 90degree flight with full throtile. he had to change engine muffler (MDS 25) and model was repaireed in 3 days. so there u always can repair models.
pics plz

[vettdvr]

It is normal for a beginner to just pull the sticks to see what happens. I am an instructor and have been so for 30 years. Before anyone touches the sticks they get a short lesson about what stick to use, (normally for a first beginner only the ail/ele stick). I cover the other stick so they can't use it. Then they are instructed to make very small moves when I have the plane positioned high enough to recover. Over the past 30 years only 1 student dropped out and he was 75 and his wife had a medical issue. All students soloed with their training plane. Best of luck Jim

[Bako]

that's good
I'm 18 and I already learned to fly 14 man. not bad start yea?
and how do u think which is better plane for learning?

[GaryMC1]

Hey Jim,
Do you guys fly out of Slidell airport? I've got an internet acquaitence (sp) down that way that flys full sized out of Slidell! :D

Gary

[vettdvr]

Gary our field is about 2 miles out of the Slidell apt.. Wish we could fly from the actual airport.. My c130 would take off much better on pavement. If you fly into the airport here,, give me a call,, (email if you would like ph #).

Also if you come down and want to just drive by the field give me a call,, I am retired and can probably fit you into my retirement schedule. :) Let me check,, Well Yes it's open now.. .

PS I also have comm/multi/inst/type ratings for up to 175,000 gross wt.

Haven't flown the big birds in a while $$.. issues. but I fly R/C to try and fill the thrill.

So if you get way down here is the south give me a call. Jim

[Flying kevin]

Hey i have the RCM. it a good good plane.

Kevin

[GaryMC1]

Gary our field is about 2 miles out of the Slidell apt.. Wish we could fly from the actual airport.. My c130 would take off much better on pavement. If you fly into the airport here,, give me a call,, (email if you would like ph #).

Also if you come down and want to just drive by the field give me a call,, I am retired and can probably fit you into my retirement schedule. :) Let me check,, Well Yes it's open now.. .

PS I also have comm/multi/inst/type ratings for up to 175,000 gross wt.

Haven't flown the big birds in a while $$.. issues. but I fly R/C to try and fill the thrill.

So if you get way down here is the south give me a call. Jim


Jim,
Honestly, I don't think I'll be getting down that way any time in the foreseeable future...but, then again, you never know what the future will hold!

As to the $$ issues for flying the real stuff, I know that all too well! I've been unemployed for the last six months, and even when I was working, trying to come up with $100 for an hour of dual in a C-150 was a little nuts! However, first, before I even try to get that dual, I've got to convice the FAA that I really don't have medical issues that will prevent me from getting my medical back. That may be the hardest challenge of all.

Gary

[vettdvr]

I understand,, I don't have my medical but talked to doc and he told me I could pass,, however,, as you mentioned $150/hr wet for a joy ride is a lot $$ just for fun.

[xoon]

here it is. so on one here know anything about a plane call Goldstar?

[xoon]

here it is again, hope I have it

[GaryMC]

Did you read my first post in this thread? There's a link to a Goldstar trainer in there.

By the way, your airplane doesn't look too bad, probably a little CA and a little monokote...have it flying in a week. :p

Gary

[xoon]

yeah I don't really need a trainer, because I can now take off and do turns but just had not ben able to land. so I need a plane that can do some basic aerobatics, and good for take my punches. now this one I got here is a SPAD and it's farely simple to build, I've never tried those balsa and playwood planes, are they strudy? hard to brake?, and I don't mind buying a kit, it's a lot cheaper than ARF.

[GaryMC]

yeah I don't really need a trainer, because I can now take off and do turns but just had not ben able to land. so I need a plane that can do some basic aerobatics, and good for take my punches. now this one I got here is a SPAD and it's farely simple to build, I've never tried those balsa and playwood planes, are they strudy? hard to brake?, and I don't mind buying a kit, it's a lot cheaper than ARF.


Your comment about 'not being able to land' suggests to me that you are in definite need of a trainer. How can you expect to fly an intermediate class aerobatic trainer if you haven't even gotten the simple concept of getting the airplane back on the ground in one piece. Since your instructor said 'TRAINER' airplane, and suggested a Goldberg, then he probably doesn't think that you are ready for an acrobatic airplane yet. Basic aerobatics, like loops and rolls, hammerhead stalls, Cuban 8s, spins, etc all can be accomplished with any trainer.

The Duraplane airplane, as you saw, was easily destroyed. It was plastic and foam. A balsa airplane *could* be more resistant to damage. If you airplane went straight in because of your sister, then no kind of airplane balsa, SPAD, fiberglass, or composite is going to survive that! You can puncture the wing or fuselage on a balsa model, and provided you don't do serious damage to the internal components, be flying the next day.

You also want to fly by Labor Day, yet you are willing to build a kit from scratch? Your FIRST kit? I don't think so, although if you work 8 hours a day on it, you might be able to...maybe. The least expensive Goldberg kit, in the same class as the airplane that crashed, is about $70, or only $40 less than the ARF that I suggested. With the ARF, you don't have to worry about covering it, with the kit, the covering is extra,and you'll need to spend about $20 on that...uh oh, only $20 less, and you'll probably need to buy pushrods, clevises, and other parts that you may not be able to save off your old model. On top of that, you'll need to buy pins, CA and epoxy, brushes, and...HEY, all of a sudden, the ARF is CHEAPER!!! See why I suggested it? On top of all of that, you need an area with 6' -8' of clear workspace to work in to build the kit. I live in a two bedroom apartment, and have barely enough room to work on my ARF, let alone actually try to build a kit!

One last question. How old are you?

Gary

[Bako]

hey it's better to to build plane yourself, from sheet of balza and ply. I think so. it becomes much stronger. I always do so.

[GregG]

We're going to try this out in the new "Crash" forum.

[james1787]

yeah I don't really need a trainer, because I can now take off and do turns but just had not ben able to land. so I need a plane that can do some basic aerobatics, and good for take my punches. now this one I got here is a SPAD and it's farely simple to build, I've never tried those balsa and playwood planes, are they strudy? hard to brake?, and I don't mind buying a kit, it's a lot cheaper than ARF.

As Gary said, if you can't land yet, you need a trainer. I've seen and heard of it happening to many people just starting out in the hobby (including me). You start out with something that looks cool and is advertised that it is aerobatic, etc. You put it together, try the plane.. and find that the plane is too much for you to handle. Well, I have since bought, built and flown two other trainers (I got my feet wet with electric) that are slow, steady and forgiving. I feel very comfortable with those and have now moved towards an aerobatic plane. The aerobatics are fun, but it's good to know I have the basics such as taking off, turning and landing down pat. Now the only reason I crash is usually when I am doing something stupid.

Take the advice and get a trainer. I own a .60 sized trainer made by tower hobbies. It's not the coolest looking plane. It's big. It's boring, but it'll show me the ropes. I still fly mostly electric due to lack of AMA fields in the area. Speaking of AMA, are you a member? If not, anyone here will strongly reccommend it. These aircraft are not toys. AMA provides insurance in case you crash your plane into someones house, car, or worse. By letting your sister fly it, someone completely inexperienced at flying an r/c aircraft, you have put others at risk of injury or worse. Safety is the number 1 priority in this hobby. Proper training in the use and safetly of r/c aircraft promotes lots of fun. If your sister wants to learn to fly, she should learn by someone who is qualified by your local club to train. You should not be handing the controls of your aircraft over to anyone that has no idea what they are doing.

I am teaching my wife how to fly. She has alot to learn.. she's learning another way - a flight simulator and a cable connected to my controller. It's a little costly to start with, but it saves alot of money in the long run and gets you aquainted with using the controls and learning what too much or too little input will do.

So what's my advice? 1. Locate a club - best way to find someone to train both you and your sister if she's interested 2. Join AMA - with these planes it is a MUST. Your parents will surely understand this! 3. Get a good trainer.. your electronics and motor are probably fine and can be moved over to your trainer. 4. Locate someone who can train you - spend time on this one. 5. Get totally comfortable with your trainer before moving up to simething bigger

Best of luck, I hope some of my advice was helpful..

[xoon]

I'm 14, Did you read my first post in this thread? There's a link to a Goldstar trainer in there yeah I looked at all 4 links and none of them named Goldstar

[xoon]

also I'm not an AMA menber ... yet, I was thinking of joing it next year, what does becoming a menber do anyway? I'm not a menber of any club yet. I have had flown this plane before and I can do turns and all of that good basic stuff, but I just can't and right, it's hard eyeing the plane and make it paralle to the runway when you are controlling on the side of the runway. I was thinking of geting this Tower hobbies plane is an ARF and it only $80, it is a good trainer? it is strurdy? here is the link http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXCAS2&P=0

also I have tried building my own and i got finished, but I am still waiting to get the hang of RC flying and then fly it. I don't want to smash it on my first flight. i'll get some pics of it right now.

[xoon]

here it is, Imade this plane before I brought any other plane. this is an all balsa wood plane and it took me about 2-3 weeks to make this

[vettdvr]

I am concerned about flutter in your rudder with the 90 degree bend. Is there any way you can get a straighter path to the rudder? Perhaps add some balsa to the rudder and use a straight rod. This would mean you would have to put a split in the elevator to clear. You can use a wire with two 90 degree bends or a dowel to join the elevator halves. Just a thought.. Jim

[GaryMC1]

Xoon,
Joining the AMA will give you access to most flying clubs. I admit, I don't have a whole lot of experience, but most clubs require that you join AMA before you can join their club, or fly at their field.

AMA gives you insurance. Say the day of your accident, your airplane hit a car instead. Your AMA membership includes insurance that will cover that.

It gives you on-line resources.

It gives you a voice in Washington to keep the lawmakers from further impeeding this sport.

It probably gives you a lot more than what you can imagine, and it's worth the money to join.

As to the 'Goldstar', I think your instructor meant Goldberg, and I just used the wrong word. Goldberg is a good trainer.

The Tower Hobbies trainer that you posted a link to should also be a good trainer for you. You should be able to look at that, and compare it to the airplane that you built, to get an idea of things.

About your airplane. First, it's a 'conventional' landing gear, not a 'tricycle' gear. For a trainer, you should have a tricycle landing gear, as they are much easier to steer on the ground, especially during landing and takeoff. Taildraggers like yours often 'ground loop' which can cause wing damage, or flip the airplane upside down.
I agree with Vettdvr concerning your rudder linkage. That will not give you good control movements.

The wingspan on your airplane isn't that wide, either, there is no dihedral, and it's a symetrical wing. All three of those factors work against you as a low time pilot. Once cleaned up, and finished, the design should prove to be aerobatic and fast, and very precise in control. If you don't have enough 'stick' time, you put that into a tight turn, and the next thing you're going to be wondering is why did it spiral into the ground. That is an intermediate level airplane, at the least.

The trainer you looked at from Tower Hobbies, or any of the trainers in my first post to you are good choices for you for your first year or 18 months. Seeing that I don't know where you live, I don't know what kind of flying weather you have, but don't rush into getting some fancy airplane. Learn the basics of this first, and then you can go on.

Gary

[xoon]

I got the the tower trainer yesterday night!!! and I can't wait for it to get here. yeah, I livein Colorado and I fly at Chatfield Reservoir and you don't have to be a menber or an AMA member to fly there. that flace is huge you could fly your plane as far as you can see and crash you plane and still not injure or hit anything but the ground.

[amateur II]

Hi I've just rescued a Graupner Amateur II from a junkyard. Its fitted with a OS Max 10 engine, no servos,receivers etc, with some superficial damage.

Do you have any knowledge or specs about the plane that you could pass on.

Many thx