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Dirtnap
Jul 29, 2004, 09:11 PM
Did anyone else get the Class-Action Lawsuit E Mail from the PayPal lawsuit?
Is it legit? Can anyone translate the gist of it in one or two sentences?

Let me know if you want it posted, Mine came html, can post it in the
binaries group.

John

Carrell
Jul 29, 2004, 11:11 PM
"Dirtnap" <someguy@totalwasteoftime.com> wrote in message
news:sAgOc.4714$ju6.2927@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
Did anyone else get the Class-Action Lawsuit E Mail from the PayPal lawsuit?
Is it legit? Can anyone translate the gist of it in one or two sentences?

Let me know if you want it posted, Mine came html, can post it in the
binaries group.

John
============================
I got it. According to this site, it could be true. There have been some
lawsuits against paypal. This article describes some of it.
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/nothing/paypal.asp

Bill Fulmer
Jul 29, 2004, 11:11 PM
It's real, but no one but the lawyers will collect much... Out of $9.25
million bux, the legal team gets $3.4 million, leaving $5.85 million to
split among the deserving of 45 million users, excluding European clients.

The avg. PayPal user won't collect enuf to buy the proverbial cuppa
joe.......

Bill


"Dirtnap" <someguy@totalwasteoftime.com> wrote in message
news:sAgOc.4714$ju6.2927@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Did anyone else get the Class-Action Lawsuit E Mail from the PayPal
lawsuit?
> Is it legit? Can anyone translate the gist of it in one or two sentences?
>
> Let me know if you want it posted, Mine came html, can post it in the
> binaries group.
>
> John
>
>
>

Joe D.
Jul 30, 2004, 01:11 AM
I have been in two Class-Action lawsuits. Lawyer got everything; nobody
else got anything.

I recommend that you join the suit. It will be an eye-opener. Most large
law firms have a Class-Action group and that's all they do.


"Dirtnap" <someguy@totalwasteoftime.com> wrote in message
news:sAgOc.4714$ju6.2927@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Did anyone else get the Class-Action Lawsuit E Mail from the PayPal
lawsuit?
> Is it legit? Can anyone translate the gist of it in one or two sentences?
>
> Let me know if you want it posted, Mine came html, can post it in the
> binaries group.
>
> John
>
>
>

Frank Costa
Jul 30, 2004, 01:11 AM
Class actions make me ill. There shouldn't be tort reform, but tort removal.
I love the U.S.A., but in the area of litigation we have it all wrong.
Itshould be loser pays, like in Europe. Really cuts down on all the
frivolous nonsense.

"Bill Fulmer" <grafix01@cox.net> wrote in message
news:c9iOc.650$Yf6.126@lakeread03...
> It's real, but no one but the lawyers will collect much... Out of $9.25
> million bux, the legal team gets $3.4 million, leaving $5.85 million to
> split among the deserving of 45 million users, excluding European clients.
>
> The avg. PayPal user won't collect enuf to buy the proverbial cuppa
> joe.......
>
> Bill
>
>
> "Dirtnap" <someguy@totalwasteoftime.com> wrote in message
> news:sAgOc.4714$ju6.2927@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Did anyone else get the Class-Action Lawsuit E Mail from the PayPal
> lawsuit?
> > Is it legit? Can anyone translate the gist of it in one or two
sentences?
> >
> > Let me know if you want it posted, Mine came html, can post it in the
> > binaries group.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Paul McIntosh
Jul 30, 2004, 03:11 AM
It is legit. Basically, a couple of people sued PayPal over their dispute
resolution practices and "won" (PayPal chose to settle rather than go to
trial).

There are two groups:

1. A group who had an actual disputed charge with PayPal, and
2. The rest of the PayPal clients who potentially could have had a claim.

Contrary to other postings on here, the bulk of the money will go to the
very much smaller group 1. There is only $1,000,000 set aside for all of
group 2.

If you opened a PayPal account during the time listed, go ahead and file the
claim form.

--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
"Dirtnap" <someguy@totalwasteoftime.com> wrote in message
news:sAgOc.4714$ju6.2927@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Did anyone else get the Class-Action Lawsuit E Mail from the PayPal
lawsuit?
> Is it legit? Can anyone translate the gist of it in one or two sentences?
>
> Let me know if you want it posted, Mine came html, can post it in the
> binaries group.
>
> John
>
>
>

Dirtnap
Jul 30, 2004, 07:11 PM
Is it worth it to file if I have never had a dispute with Paypal?

John


"Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> wrote in message
news:4109e3e8$0$2019$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...
> It is legit. Basically, a couple of people sued PayPal over their dispute
> resolution practices and "won" (PayPal chose to settle rather than go to
> trial).
>
> There are two groups:
>
> 1. A group who had an actual disputed charge with PayPal, and
> 2. The rest of the PayPal clients who potentially could have had a claim.
>
> Contrary to other postings on here, the bulk of the money will go to the
> very much smaller group 1. There is only $1,000,000 set aside for all of
> group 2.
>
> If you opened a PayPal account during the time listed, go ahead and file
the
> claim form.
>
> --
> Paul McIntosh
> http://www.rc-bearings.com
> "Dirtnap" <someguy@totalwasteoftime.com> wrote in message
> news:sAgOc.4714$ju6.2927@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Did anyone else get the Class-Action Lawsuit E Mail from the PayPal
> lawsuit?
> > Is it legit? Can anyone translate the gist of it in one or two
sentences?
> >
> > Let me know if you want it posted, Mine came html, can post it in the
> > binaries group.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Paul McIntosh
Jul 30, 2004, 07:11 PM
That is what the second group is for. They will pay you a pittance because
you COULD have had a dispute. Read the web site carefully.

--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
"Dirtnap" <someguy@totalwasteoftime.com> wrote in message
news:VaAOc.5299$ju6.2413@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Is it worth it to file if I have never had a dispute with Paypal?
>
> John
>
>
> "Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> wrote in message
> news:4109e3e8$0$2019$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...
> > It is legit. Basically, a couple of people sued PayPal over their
dispute
> > resolution practices and "won" (PayPal chose to settle rather than go to
> > trial).
> >
> > There are two groups:
> >
> > 1. A group who had an actual disputed charge with PayPal, and
> > 2. The rest of the PayPal clients who potentially could have had a
claim.
> >
> > Contrary to other postings on here, the bulk of the money will go to the
> > very much smaller group 1. There is only $1,000,000 set aside for all
of
> > group 2.
> >
> > If you opened a PayPal account during the time listed, go ahead and file
> the
> > claim form.
> >
> > --
> > Paul McIntosh
> > http://www.rc-bearings.com
> > "Dirtnap" <someguy@totalwasteoftime.com> wrote in message
> > news:sAgOc.4714$ju6.2927@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > Did anyone else get the Class-Action Lawsuit E Mail from the PayPal
> > lawsuit?
> > > Is it legit? Can anyone translate the gist of it in one or two
> sentences?
> > >
> > > Let me know if you want it posted, Mine came html, can post it in the
> > > binaries group.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Fubar of The HillPeople
Jul 30, 2004, 09:11 PM
Got my email today. Probably wont bother.

--
Dan
AMA605992
KE6ERB
http://www.fubar1.net
"I've heard the screams of the vegetables..."
Take out the "trash" to reply
"Frank Costa" <frankc29@REMOVETHISearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:WdkOc.2861$9Y6.722@newsread1.news.pas.earthli nk.net...
> Class actions make me ill. There shouldn't be tort reform, but tort
removal.
> I love the U.S.A., but in the area of litigation we have it all wrong.
> Itshould be loser pays, like in Europe. Really cuts down on all the
> frivolous nonsense.
>
> "Bill Fulmer" <grafix01@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:c9iOc.650$Yf6.126@lakeread03...
> > It's real, but no one but the lawyers will collect much... Out of $9.25
> > million bux, the legal team gets $3.4 million, leaving $5.85 million to
> > split among the deserving of 45 million users, excluding European
clients.
> >
> > The avg. PayPal user won't collect enuf to buy the proverbial cuppa
> > joe.......
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > "Dirtnap" <someguy@totalwasteoftime.com> wrote in message
> > news:sAgOc.4714$ju6.2927@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > Did anyone else get the Class-Action Lawsuit E Mail from the PayPal
> > lawsuit?
> > > Is it legit? Can anyone translate the gist of it in one or two
> sentences?
> > >
> > > Let me know if you want it posted, Mine came html, can post it in the
> > > binaries group.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Red Scholefield
Jul 30, 2004, 11:11 PM
Only if you feel you want to support the legal parasites of our country.
If any business is successful it appears they are ripe for some kind of a
class action suit from maggots that tried to screw the pooch and
failed.

Red S.

"Dirtnap" wrote in message
> Is it worth it to file if I have never had a dispute with Paypal?
>
> John

Paul McIntosh
Jul 31, 2004, 07:11 AM
Red,

On what do you base this opinion? There are plenty of legitimate claims
against PayPal regarding their fraud protection and other problems.

--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
"Red Scholefield" <redscho@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:NBCOc.639$g_5.509@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> Only if you feel you want to support the legal parasites of our country.
> If any business is successful it appears they are ripe for some kind of a
> class action suit from maggots that tried to screw the pooch and
> failed.
>
> Red S.
>
> "Dirtnap" wrote in message
> > Is it worth it to file if I have never had a dispute with Paypal?
> >
> > John
>
>

Justin Mahn
Jul 31, 2004, 09:11 AM
The 'legal parasites' will only get more if you don't file. A lot of the
profit in class action comes from when people DON'T claim their portion.

--
Justin Mahn
remove Panties to e-mail


"Red Scholefield" <redscho@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:NBCOc.639$g_5.509@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> Only if you feel you want to support the legal parasites of our country.
> If any business is successful it appears they are ripe for some kind of a
> class action suit from maggots that tried to screw the pooch and
> failed.
>
> Red S.
>
> "Dirtnap" wrote in message
> > Is it worth it to file if I have never had a dispute with Paypal?
> >
> > John
>
>

Red Scholefield
Jul 31, 2004, 09:11 AM
On the fact that there will be those that have NEVER had an issue with Pay
Pal that will jump on the class action like maggots on road kill. Who do
these IDIOTS think will end up paying the tab for the class action
settlements in the long run? THEY WILL! And who benefits? ONLY vultures
(lawyers and judges) that orchestrated the class action litigation in the
first place.

RS

"Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> wrote in message
news:410b6d27$0$70181$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
> Red,
>
> On what do you base this opinion? There are plenty of legitimate claims
> against PayPal regarding their fraud protection and other problems.
>
> --
> Paul McIntosh
> http://www.rc-bearings.com
> "Red Scholefield" <redscho@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:NBCOc.639$g_5.509@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> > Only if you feel you want to support the legal parasites of our country.
> > If any business is successful it appears they are ripe for some kind of
a
> > class action suit from maggots that tried to screw the pooch and
> > failed.
> >
> > Red S.
> >
> > "Dirtnap" wrote in message
> > > Is it worth it to file if I have never had a dispute with Paypal?
> > >
> > > John
> >
> >
>
>

Frank Costa
Jul 31, 2004, 05:11 PM
There is nothing about Tort law that makes our lives safer. In fact, they
make our lives LESS safe. Companies live in constant fear of putting out new
and innovative products out of fear of litigation.Drugs which can save lives
must go through so many years of testing and overtesting before beaing
released, while many die meanwhile needlessly, in the name of "safety".
Lawyers, through sick greed and little else, have crippled society in many
ways.

"Justin Mahn" <gabrilPanties@tcainternet.com> wrote in message
news:10gn0v41n71ordd@corp.supernews.com...
> The 'legal parasites' will only get more if you don't file. A lot of the
> profit in class action comes from when people DON'T claim their portion.
>
> --
> Justin Mahn
> remove Panties to e-mail
>
>
> "Red Scholefield" <redscho@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:NBCOc.639$g_5.509@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> > Only if you feel you want to support the legal parasites of our country.
> > If any business is successful it appears they are ripe for some kind of
a
> > class action suit from maggots that tried to screw the pooch and
> > failed.
> >
> > Red S.
> >
> > "Dirtnap" wrote in message
> > > Is it worth it to file if I have never had a dispute with Paypal?
> > >
> > > John
> >
> >
>
>

Justin Mahn
Jul 31, 2004, 07:11 PM
There is nothing about PayPal that is necissary nor expedient to someone's
safety or health. You're analogy is pointless and misleading.

--
Justin Mahn
remove Panties to e-mail


"Frank Costa" <frankc29@REMOVETHISearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:HOSOc.4342$9Y6.3591@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> There is nothing about Tort law that makes our lives safer. In fact, they
> make our lives LESS safe. Companies live in constant fear of putting out
new
> and innovative products out of fear of litigation.Drugs which can save
lives
> must go through so many years of testing and overtesting before beaing
> released, while many die meanwhile needlessly, in the name of "safety".
> Lawyers, through sick greed and little else, have crippled society in many
> ways.
>
> "Justin Mahn" <gabrilPanties@tcainternet.com> wrote in message
> news:10gn0v41n71ordd@corp.supernews.com...
> > The 'legal parasites' will only get more if you don't file. A lot of
the
> > profit in class action comes from when people DON'T claim their portion.
> >
> > --
> > Justin Mahn
> > remove Panties to e-mail
> >
> >
> > "Red Scholefield" <redscho@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:NBCOc.639$g_5.509@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> > > Only if you feel you want to support the legal parasites of our
country.
> > > If any business is successful it appears they are ripe for some kind
of
> a
> > > class action suit from maggots that tried to screw the pooch and
> > > failed.
> > >
> > > Red S.
> > >
> > > "Dirtnap" wrote in message
> > > > Is it worth it to file if I have never had a dispute with Paypal?
> > > >
> > > > John
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Paul McIntosh
Jul 31, 2004, 07:11 PM
And then we have drugs rushed to market that we later find are causing
massive birth defects and other problems. There are pros and cons to each
side.

--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
"Frank Costa" <frankc29@REMOVETHISearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:HOSOc.4342$9Y6.3591@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> There is nothing about Tort law that makes our lives safer. In fact, they
> make our lives LESS safe. Companies live in constant fear of putting out
new
> and innovative products out of fear of litigation.Drugs which can save
lives
> must go through so many years of testing and overtesting before beaing
> released, while many die meanwhile needlessly, in the name of "safety".
> Lawyers, through sick greed and little else, have crippled society in many
> ways.
>
> "Justin Mahn" <gabrilPanties@tcainternet.com> wrote in message
> news:10gn0v41n71ordd@corp.supernews.com...
> > The 'legal parasites' will only get more if you don't file. A lot of
the
> > profit in class action comes from when people DON'T claim their portion.
> >
> > --
> > Justin Mahn
> > remove Panties to e-mail
> >
> >
> > "Red Scholefield" <redscho@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:NBCOc.639$g_5.509@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> > > Only if you feel you want to support the legal parasites of our
country.
> > > If any business is successful it appears they are ripe for some kind
of
> a
> > > class action suit from maggots that tried to screw the pooch and
> > > failed.
> > >
> > > Red S.
> > >
> > > "Dirtnap" wrote in message
> > > > Is it worth it to file if I have never had a dispute with Paypal?
> > > >
> > > > John
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Paul McIntosh
Jul 31, 2004, 07:11 PM
Red,

Have you read the WHOLE dissertation? Or is that why you are trying to
dissuade others from filing? ;^)

--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
"Red Scholefield" <redscho@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:syLOc.151$I52.41@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> On the fact that there will be those that have NEVER had an issue with Pay
> Pal that will jump on the class action like maggots on road kill. Who do
> these IDIOTS think will end up paying the tab for the class action
> settlements in the long run? THEY WILL! And who benefits? ONLY vultures
> (lawyers and judges) that orchestrated the class action litigation in the
> first place.
>
> RS
>
> "Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> wrote in message
> news:410b6d27$0$70181$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
> > Red,
> >
> > On what do you base this opinion? There are plenty of legitimate claims
> > against PayPal regarding their fraud protection and other problems.
> >
> > --
> > Paul McIntosh
> > http://www.rc-bearings.com
> > "Red Scholefield" <redscho@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:NBCOc.639$g_5.509@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> > > Only if you feel you want to support the legal parasites of our
country.
> > > If any business is successful it appears they are ripe for some kind
of
> a
> > > class action suit from maggots that tried to screw the pooch and
> > > failed.
> > >
> > > Red S.
> > >
> > > "Dirtnap" wrote in message
> > > > Is it worth it to file if I have never had a dispute with Paypal?
> > > >
> > > > John
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Red Scholefield
Jul 31, 2004, 07:11 PM
It has nothing to do about Pay-Pal! How many Drs will the legal community
force out of business before you get the message regarding the need for Tort
law to be totally restructured? IMHO Frank's comments were right on target.
Next time remove the panties from your head before you read a post. :-) And
if you are in Kalifornia beware of the carcinogenic modeling parts.

RS

"Justin Mahn" <gabrilPanties@tcainternet.com> wrote in message
news:10go3dff4n8au66@corp.supernews.com...
> There is nothing about PayPal that is necissary nor expedient to someone's
> safety or health. You're analogy is pointless and misleading.
>
> --
> Justin Mahn
> remove Panties to e-mail
>
>
> "Frank Costa" <frankc29@REMOVETHISearthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:HOSOc.4342$9Y6.3591@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> > There is nothing about Tort law that makes our lives safer. In fact,
they
> > make our lives LESS safe. Companies live in constant fear of putting out
> new
> > and innovative products out of fear of litigation.Drugs which can save
> lives
> > must go through so many years of testing and overtesting before beaing
> > released, while many die meanwhile needlessly, in the name of "safety".
> > Lawyers, through sick greed and little else, have crippled society in
many
> > ways.

Frank Costa
Jul 31, 2004, 07:11 PM
Rushed to the market...10 years of blind, double-blind, triple-blind, do it
over again, now do it backwards, now do it on the moon, now start
over...while so many hundreds, thousands who could have used the drugs long
after any sane person knows the drug is effective and safe die? This is
reasonable? When was the last time you purchased a ladder? Have you noticed
there are so many warning stickers on it, you can hardly see the aluminum
anymore? Each the result of a multi-million dollar lawsuit because some
A-hole didn't realize he wasn't supposed to dance on the paint can holder,
or some other genius didn't know he couldn't use the ladder while wearing
wet socks? Rewarding stupidity and greed and crippling commerce in the name
of what? How many entrepreneurs and inventors have backed off of a great
idea or product because of fear of litigation? How many potential doctors
have decided to heck with it, and become lawyers instead? How many would-be
good samaritans thought twice, wondering if the old ladies' family would sue
him if the CPR didn't work? Lawsuits are a necessary evil, like a Tomahawk
missile, an ugly thing that should be wielded only as a last result, and if
you lose, which means your lawsuit had no validity in the first place, you
PAY PAY PAY and PAY again. Then the Tomahawks will only come out when they
are needed. This is how the rest of the world, or most of it, has gone, and
it's the one area where the USA needs sorely to wake up. BTW, not to get
political (that annoys me as much as anyone), but if Kerry wins, folks, we
are going to have an ambulance chaser as VP, a slip and fall lawyer. That
should be enough to give anyone pause, and to let you know how far it's
gone.



"Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> wrote in message
news:410c163a$0$50407$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
> And then we have drugs rushed to market that we later find are causing
> massive birth defects and other problems. There are pros and cons to each
> side.
>
> --
> Paul McIntosh
> http://www.rc-bearings.com
> "Frank Costa" <frankc29@REMOVETHISearthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:HOSOc.4342$9Y6.3591@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> > There is nothing about Tort law that makes our lives safer. In fact,
they
> > make our lives LESS safe. Companies live in constant fear of putting out
> new
> > and innovative products out of fear of litigation.Drugs which can save
> lives
> > must go through so many years of testing and overtesting before beaing
> > released, while many die meanwhile needlessly, in the name of "safety".
> > Lawyers, through sick greed and little else, have crippled society in
many
> > ways.
> >
> > "Justin Mahn" <gabrilPanties@tcainternet.com> wrote in message
> > news:10gn0v41n71ordd@corp.supernews.com...
> > > The 'legal parasites' will only get more if you don't file. A lot of
> the
> > > profit in class action comes from when people DON'T claim their
portion.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Justin Mahn
> > > remove Panties to e-mail
> > >
> > >
> > > "Red Scholefield" <redscho@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > news:NBCOc.639$g_5.509@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> > > > Only if you feel you want to support the legal parasites of our
> country.
> > > > If any business is successful it appears they are ripe for some kind
> of
> > a
> > > > class action suit from maggots that tried to screw the pooch and
> > > > failed.
> > > >
> > > > Red S.
> > > >
> > > > "Dirtnap" wrote in message
> > > > > Is it worth it to file if I have never had a dispute with Paypal?
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Paul McIntosh
Jul 31, 2004, 09:11 PM
And, after all this, the tobacco companise STILL maintain their products are
safe!

--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
"Frank Costa" <frankc29@REMOVETHISearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:7wVOc.4340$cK.2314@newsread2.news.pas.earthli nk.net...
> Rushed to the market...10 years of blind, double-blind, triple-blind, do
it
> over again, now do it backwards, now do it on the moon, now start
> over...while so many hundreds, thousands who could have used the drugs
long
> after any sane person knows the drug is effective and safe die? This is
> reasonable? When was the last time you purchased a ladder? Have you
noticed
> there are so many warning stickers on it, you can hardly see the aluminum
> anymore? Each the result of a multi-million dollar lawsuit because some
> A-hole didn't realize he wasn't supposed to dance on the paint can holder,
> or some other genius didn't know he couldn't use the ladder while wearing
> wet socks? Rewarding stupidity and greed and crippling commerce in the
name
> of what? How many entrepreneurs and inventors have backed off of a great
> idea or product because of fear of litigation? How many potential doctors
> have decided to heck with it, and become lawyers instead? How many
would-be
> good samaritans thought twice, wondering if the old ladies' family would
sue
> him if the CPR didn't work? Lawsuits are a necessary evil, like a Tomahawk
> missile, an ugly thing that should be wielded only as a last result, and
if
> you lose, which means your lawsuit had no validity in the first place, you
> PAY PAY PAY and PAY again. Then the Tomahawks will only come out when
they
> are needed. This is how the rest of the world, or most of it, has gone,
and
> it's the one area where the USA needs sorely to wake up. BTW, not to get
> political (that annoys me as much as anyone), but if Kerry wins, folks, we
> are going to have an ambulance chaser as VP, a slip and fall lawyer. That
> should be enough to give anyone pause, and to let you know how far it's
> gone.
>
>
>
> "Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> wrote in message
> news:410c163a$0$50407$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
> > And then we have drugs rushed to market that we later find are causing
> > massive birth defects and other problems. There are pros and cons to
each
> > side.
> >
> > --
> > Paul McIntosh
> > http://www.rc-bearings.com
> > "Frank Costa" <frankc29@REMOVETHISearthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:HOSOc.4342$9Y6.3591@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> > > There is nothing about Tort law that makes our lives safer. In fact,
> they
> > > make our lives LESS safe. Companies live in constant fear of putting
out
> > new
> > > and innovative products out of fear of litigation.Drugs which can save
> > lives
> > > must go through so many years of testing and overtesting before beaing
> > > released, while many die meanwhile needlessly, in the name of
"safety".
> > > Lawyers, through sick greed and little else, have crippled society in
> many
> > > ways.
> > >
> > > "Justin Mahn" <gabrilPanties@tcainternet.com> wrote in message
> > > news:10gn0v41n71ordd@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > The 'legal parasites' will only get more if you don't file. A lot
of
> > the
> > > > profit in class action comes from when people DON'T claim their
> portion.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Justin Mahn
> > > > remove Panties to e-mail
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Red Scholefield" <redscho@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:NBCOc.639$g_5.509@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> > > > > Only if you feel you want to support the legal parasites of our
> > country.
> > > > > If any business is successful it appears they are ripe for some
kind
> > of
> > > a
> > > > > class action suit from maggots that tried to screw the pooch and
> > > > > failed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Red S.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Dirtnap" wrote in message
> > > > > > Is it worth it to file if I have never had a dispute with
Paypal?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Red Scholefield
Jul 31, 2004, 09:11 PM
And the idiots of the world believe it. The tobacco companies are doing a
great service to the world in helping to cleans the gene pool. :-) More
power to them! They should provide free products to all lawyers and judges.

RS

"Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> wrote in message
news:410c278e$0$69781$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
> And, after all this, the tobacco companise STILL maintain their products
are
> safe!

Frank Costa
Jul 31, 2004, 09:11 PM
Lets not forget the humongous multi billion dollar settlement that cities
use to educate the public on the ills of smoking..oh I forgot they use it
for everything EXCEPT that, lol. Do you know anyone who is not aware that
smoking is not good for you? Or drinking? Or drugs? Or eating too many
pancakes? Should we regulate pancakes? Maybe we should regulate common sense
or personal resbonsibility? You know, there will come a day when some
friendly lawyer will come along and take away our Lithium Polymer batteries
in the name of safety. It won't be too far a leap to wipe out the rest of
the hobby...to keep us safe. Then we can fly paper airplanes, but only after
you've dulled the edges to prevent the possibily of of paper cuts, not to
mention a warning label pasted on it.

"Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> wrote in message
news:410c278e$0$69781$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
> And, after all this, the tobacco companise STILL maintain their products
are
> safe!
>
> --
> Paul McIntosh
> http://www.rc-bearings.com
> "Frank Costa" <frankc29@REMOVETHISearthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:7wVOc.4340$cK.2314@newsread2.news.pas.earthli nk.net...
> > Rushed to the market...10 years of blind, double-blind, triple-blind, do
> it
> > over again, now do it backwards, now do it on the moon, now start
> > over...while so many hundreds, thousands who could have used the drugs
> long
> > after any sane person knows the drug is effective and safe die? This is
> > reasonable? When was the last time you purchased a ladder? Have you
> noticed
> > there are so many warning stickers on it, you can hardly see the
aluminum
> > anymore? Each the result of a multi-million dollar lawsuit because some
> > A-hole didn't realize he wasn't supposed to dance on the paint can
holder,
> > or some other genius didn't know he couldn't use the ladder while
wearing
> > wet socks? Rewarding stupidity and greed and crippling commerce in the
> name
> > of what? How many entrepreneurs and inventors have backed off of a great
> > idea or product because of fear of litigation? How many potential
doctors
> > have decided to heck with it, and become lawyers instead? How many
> would-be
> > good samaritans thought twice, wondering if the old ladies' family would
> sue
> > him if the CPR didn't work? Lawsuits are a necessary evil, like a
Tomahawk
> > missile, an ugly thing that should be wielded only as a last result, and
> if
> > you lose, which means your lawsuit had no validity in the first place,
you
> > PAY PAY PAY and PAY again. Then the Tomahawks will only come out when
> they
> > are needed. This is how the rest of the world, or most of it, has gone,
> and
> > it's the one area where the USA needs sorely to wake up. BTW, not to get
> > political (that annoys me as much as anyone), but if Kerry wins, folks,
we
> > are going to have an ambulance chaser as VP, a slip and fall lawyer.
That
> > should be enough to give anyone pause, and to let you know how far it's
> > gone.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> wrote in message
> > news:410c163a$0$50407$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net...
> > > And then we have drugs rushed to market that we later find are causing
> > > massive birth defects and other problems. There are pros and cons to
> each
> > > side.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Paul McIntosh
> > > http://www.rc-bearings.com
> > > "Frank Costa" <frankc29@REMOVETHISearthlink.net> wrote in message
> > > news:HOSOc.4342$9Y6.3591@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> > > > There is nothing about Tort law that makes our lives safer. In fact,
> > they
> > > > make our lives LESS safe. Companies live in constant fear of putting
> out
> > > new
> > > > and innovative products out of fear of litigation.Drugs which can
save
> > > lives
> > > > must go through so many years of testing and overtesting before
beaing
> > > > released, while many die meanwhile needlessly, in the name of
> "safety".
> > > > Lawyers, through sick greed and little else, have crippled society i
n
> > many
> > > > ways.
> > > >
> > > > "Justin Mahn" <gabrilPanties@tcainternet.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:10gn0v41n71ordd@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > The 'legal parasites' will only get more if you don't file. A lot
> of
> > > the
> > > > > profit in class action comes from when people DON'T claim their
> > portion.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Justin Mahn
> > > > > remove Panties to e-mail
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Red Scholefield" <redscho@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:NBCOc.639$g_5.509@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> > > > > > Only if you feel you want to support the legal parasites of our
> > > country.
> > > > > > If any business is successful it appears they are ripe for some
> kind
> > > of
> > > > a
> > > > > > class action suit from maggots that tried to screw the pooch and
> > > > > > failed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Red S.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Dirtnap" wrote in message
> > > > > > > Is it worth it to file if I have never had a dispute with
> Paypal?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > John
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Mike R
Aug 03, 2004, 01:11 AM
"Frank Costa" <frankc29@REMOVETHISearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:NzWOc.4731$9Y6.1682@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> Lets not forget the humongous multi billion dollar settlement that cities
> use to educate the public on the ills of smoking..oh I forgot they use it
> for everything EXCEPT that, lol. Do you know anyone who is not aware that
> smoking is not good for you? Or drinking? Or drugs? Or eating too many
> pancakes? Should we regulate pancakes? Maybe we should regulate common
sense
> or personal resbonsibility? You know, there will come a day when some
> friendly lawyer will come along and take away our Lithium Polymer
batteries
> in the name of safety. It won't be too far a leap to wipe out the rest of
> the hobby...to keep us safe. Then we can fly paper airplanes, but only
after
> you've dulled the edges to prevent the possibily of of paper cuts, not to
> mention a warning label pasted on it.
>

Drinking is already "regulated" in PA...........Go to a hospital in PA
with some emergancey ( chest pains, dizzyness, ect...) and when the doc asks
you if you drink, and you tell him " ummmm..... 4 to 6 beers after work at
home". Guess what folks.... the doc has the right to call PENNDOT and tell
them that you have a drug/alcky problem. Then guess what.....YOU lose your
license. Yes folks,this just happened to some poor guy within my state at
the hospital no more then two blocks away from were I live. Now this poor
guy has to either go to a recovery program or fight it out in court.
Kinda f*&#ing sucks when doctors, lawyers,judges, ect...are given WAY
to much power over you.

Mike

Paul McIntosh
Aug 03, 2004, 03:11 AM
Get some new representatives! Both houses and the Governor had to sign it
into law.
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
"Mike R" <mikerenz66@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:2n8dvvFtkv7qU1@uni-berlin.de...
>
> "Frank Costa" <frankc29@REMOVETHISearthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:NzWOc.4731$9Y6.1682@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> > Lets not forget the humongous multi billion dollar settlement that
cities
> > use to educate the public on the ills of smoking..oh I forgot they use
it
> > for everything EXCEPT that, lol. Do you know anyone who is not aware
that
> > smoking is not good for you? Or drinking? Or drugs? Or eating too many
> > pancakes? Should we regulate pancakes? Maybe we should regulate common
> sense
> > or personal resbonsibility? You know, there will come a day when some
> > friendly lawyer will come along and take away our Lithium Polymer
> batteries
> > in the name of safety. It won't be too far a leap to wipe out the rest
of
> > the hobby...to keep us safe. Then we can fly paper airplanes, but only
> after
> > you've dulled the edges to prevent the possibily of of paper cuts, not
to
> > mention a warning label pasted on it.
> >
>
> Drinking is already "regulated" in PA...........Go to a hospital in PA
> with some emergancey ( chest pains, dizzyness, ect...) and when the doc
asks
> you if you drink, and you tell him " ummmm..... 4 to 6 beers after work at
> home". Guess what folks.... the doc has the right to call PENNDOT and tell
> them that you have a drug/alcky problem. Then guess what.....YOU lose your
> license. Yes folks,this just happened to some poor guy within my state at
> the hospital no more then two blocks away from were I live. Now this poor
> guy has to either go to a recovery program or fight it out in court.
> Kinda f*&#ing sucks when doctors, lawyers,judges, ect...are given
WAY
> to much power over you.
>
> Mike
>
>
>

Rein
Aug 03, 2004, 05:11 PM
Hey, Red, I've got some Kerry/Edwards buttons for you when you're ready!
You know, John "I'm a billionaire but just like you" Kerry and John "Class
Action" Edwards. Snort, snicker :).

Rein


"Red Scholefield" <redscho@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:poWOc.749$vp.673@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> And the idiots of the world believe it. The tobacco companies are doing a
> great service to the world in helping to cleans the gene pool. :-) More
> power to them! They should provide free products to all lawyers and
judges.

Dennis Leonhardi
Aug 04, 2004, 11:11 AM
What is the alternative to a class action lawsuit in this case? How can
little old me, or you Red, convince the eBay/PayPal conglomerate to "mind
their manners"?

I've told them several times (in emails) that I consider their business
"ethics" to be best described as "Take the money and run!"

An example: I sold an airplane/engine on eBay; the Buyer used "Buy It Now"
and paid using PayPal, funded by a credit card. The item was listed for
local pickup, he said he'd have UPS make a pickup. A month later he changed
his mind, called his credit card company for a refund. PayPal charged my
account back for the refund. The clincher: neither eBay nor PayPal will
refund the fees they charged. Question: what did I do wrong, or just what
is it I had to pay for?

Another: I got ripped off by a Seller in WA, and I'm now aware of more than
40 "sales" of model airplane-related items he collected for but never
shipped. EBay refuses to provide his identity despite their "rules" which
require complete and true identity. Will you find out who he is and collect
refunds for us? Do you think businesses should be forced to operate by the
standards they purport to follow in published statements?

Until such time as you come up with a better solution, I hope several more
lawsuits follow. Regardless of who gets it, drawing cash out of their bank
accounts is the ONLY way to get these scumbags to operate like decent
citizens...


Dennis


"Red Scholefield" <redscho@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:syLOc.151$I52.41@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> On the fact that there will be those that have NEVER had an issue with Pay
> Pal that will jump on the class action like maggots on road kill. Who do
> these IDIOTS think will end up paying the tab for the class action
> settlements in the long run? THEY WILL! And who benefits? ONLY vultures
> (lawyers and judges) that orchestrated the class action litigation in the
> first place.
>
> RS

Da_Emperor
Aug 09, 2004, 07:11 PM
In your case paypal did nothing wrong. You the seller take the hit
just as every "company" that accepts credit cards takes the hit. I
laugh at the ads for credit card that tout their fraud protection. You
know the ones where the poor credit card holder describes what was
bought on their cards as if they were out the money. The truth is the
MERCHANT is out the money not the cardholder not the credit card
company and not the processor. YUP the person who accepted the card as
payment takes the hit. Just glad you did not ship you would be out the
product and the money. We were hit in $15,000 in credit card fraud in
a year.

Da_Emperor
Aug 09, 2004, 07:11 PM
LOL just elect the Liberal Trial Lawer as V.P. and see what we get.
You guess more or less court cases and higher or lower costs for goods? ;)

Da_Emperor
Aug 09, 2004, 11:11 PM
"f*&#ing sucks when doctors, lawyers,judges, ect...are given WAY to
much power over you."

Mikle they already do! Just remember the more goverment involvment in
our life the less free we are.

When Scary John(2) is V.P. and works more trial lawers in our lifes we
could all be much safer. The drug companies could be sued so much they
will not develop new drugs, our hobby will have safe batteries and no
sharp edges anywhere.