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carrinsr
Jul 06, 2004, 02:21 PM
I hope some of you aircraft engineers/designers find this interesting enough to comment on, and offer suggestions (other than, "Stop! Don't build it!") :)

I've started on an 18' wingspan sailplane, my design. So far I've been working on building the center section of the 3-piece wing. The airfoil is a blown up version of the Sailaire (12 degree flat bottom). It is 24" from L.E. to T.E. The highest vertical point of the ribs is 3".

I'm using four each 3/4" I.D. roll wrapped carbon tubes, each 6' long, somewhat equally spaced apart, with a 6'-0" L x 3/8" T x 1" W Sitka Spruce spar above and below each carbon tube.

Cap strips will be made from 1/16" T, 3-ply plywood, grain vertical. I intend to fill in between the top and bottom spars (all around the carbon tubes) with light spackling compound. The entire wing will be covered with an outer skin of 1/64" T, 3-ply plywood. I weigh almost 300#, but think I could walk on these spars and not bend anything!

When I finish the center section I'll start building the two outer wing sections. I intend to build them using the same materials as in the center section, but with three 3/4" carbon tubes instead of four. The outer sections will taper from 24" to 18" along the T.E.

The outer sections will join the center section using three each 24" L x 3/4" O.D. carbon rods. Each outer section will have alerons, and the inner section will have flaps (one on each side of the fuselage, down angle to 90 degree). The entire wing will be flat (no dihedral/polyhedral).

I will start on the fuselage and tail section after I complete the wing. I used CorelDRAW to draw all the plans, then a local company plotted the drawing to scale for me.

When completed launching will be by tow hook, but will probably be done by car or truck instead of a winch. Not to worry...the local flying field is a touch-and-go airfield the Navy has kindly provided for our sailplane club, so the runways are l o n g , and lots of room on either side of the main runway.

OK...I'll admit...I've spent about a thousand dollars just for the materials for the wing - so far. I also realize there is probably a less expensive and perhaps lighter and stronger way to build the wing, given all the modern technology. But I'm an old die-hard balsa/ply fan who has been away from RC for over 20 years. However, I've been willing to include some of the more modern materials (i.e. carbon tubes and rods).

This sailplane has been a dream of mine for many years (almost from the beginning of my Sailaire flying days), and at age 64+ I don't want to turn back now. So please keep this in mind when you post your comments/suggestions.

I've included a photo of the center wing section in its current building mode.

THANK YOU for your comments/suggestions!

David

BeeDee
Jul 06, 2004, 03:12 PM
nice to see someone who dreams big... Orville and Wilbur wished that they could get the tech support you can get on forums like this... lol Good luck and keep us posted!

BD

RSCherry
Jul 06, 2004, 05:03 PM
Have you considered the scale effect when selecting your airfoil, or did you simply make a bigger version of the Sailare wing? You have a 24" chord on your wing center section, What is the chord of the Sailare wing, about 10"? The Reynolds number will change significantly, which will have a significant effect.

FWIW- I like the idea of building something really big, especially since you have the room to launch and land it. Any time I've been in FL, the thermals have been spectacular, leading me to believe that you could achieve some serious altitude with such a large plane- not unlike a CC plane. So why not add some polyhedral at your wing tip joint locations to make the plane more stable and easier to fly at the limits of visibility? The CC guys strive for very stable planes that basically fly hands off so they are not fighting the plane at altitude.

Just my $0.02.

Bob

phantom
Jul 06, 2004, 06:34 PM
Real nice. keep it going. looks as though you are on the right track.
I'm sure it will fly!! Seems to have the right shape.
Have you got any working drawings of the pojected model, i'd be interested to see.

carrinsr
Jul 06, 2004, 10:45 PM
Bob, that is a really good idea and I will give this very serious consideration!* Thanks!* Unfortunately, I've already bought the 24" L. x 3/4" O.D. carbon rods for the flat wing design.* If I could replace them with rods that had - say - a 10 degree bend, I would jump on that FAST!* But alas, I've searched the world over, to no avail.
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Do you suppose vertical wing tips would help?* I'm planning on making sculptured wing tips (like those*on the original Sailaire), hoping these will help some.
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As to your other question, the outer wing panels will also be 6 feet long, but they will reduce in thickness*as well as width, just as the original Sailaire wing does.
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If you have other ideas, I'm sure open to them!* Thanks again..and trust me...I value your comments being far more valuable than 2 cents!* God bless you!
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David

carrinsr
Jul 06, 2004, 10:48 PM
I do. They are in CorelDRAW! 8.0 format. If you can read .CDR format, or if you know how to convert .CDR to some other format you can read, just let me know and I'll be happy to send the full plans of everything to you.

David

RSCherry
Jul 07, 2004, 08:31 AM
David-

Go to the CRRC website and study Dr. Drela's 130" AEGEA wing. This is a 3 piece wing, flat center section and 5 deg. tips. My wing uses carbon tube spars, with the tips connected to the center section via a bent aluminum rod to achieve the polyhedrial.

Vertical tips will help with wing vortices, if done right. If not done right, they will add drag. Unless you have a wind tunnel, I'd leave them off.

Good luck, Bob

Kaoma
Jul 07, 2004, 05:49 PM
Is that RC or full size :confused:

carrinsr
Jul 08, 2004, 08:50 AM
Kaoma, it is RC.

carrinsr
Jul 08, 2004, 08:53 AM
Bob, thanks for the suggestion. Now I show my ignorance. What is "CRRC"? I did a multi-engine search and came up with 80 different links...none of which seemed to be what you were suggesting. Thanks in advance for further information. - David

RSCherry
Jul 08, 2004, 09:06 AM
David-

Sorry for the confusion- The 2M Aegea is on the Charles River Radio Controllers (CRRC) website:

http://www.charlesriverrc.org/

For the 3M version, which is more applicable to your application, you will need to go to the Yahoo user group:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Allegro-Lite/

Look in the files section (you will need to join the group to get access). In the design as drawn, Dr. Drela uses a carbon capped balsa spar that is rectangular in cross section. Many of us have elected to use a simpler spar made from carbon tubing. To join the tips to the center section, we use an aluminum rod that is a slip fit into the ID of the carbon spar tube, with a 5 deg. bend to achieve the required polyhedral. You might be able to employ a similar system to join your wing halves while achieving some polyhedral.

Bob

CoastalFlyer
Jul 09, 2004, 03:10 PM
My brother and I built a 16' sailplane of our own design in the late 70's. Our biggest problem was getting it down :D . It flew great!

We built the wings from foam, then sheeted them with balsa. Can't remember how we did the spar. They definitely weren't strong enough. :eek:

We had it so high on the last flight it was just a tiny spec - we could hardly tell which way it was going. The thermals were booming and we never thought we'd get it back.
We finally got it down after about 2 hours of slowly looking for sink - not an easy job that day. Too fast and the wings would just flutter.

Make sure you have two things - a large ballast box and spoilers. Those are absolute necessities, IMO.

Good Luck!

MattLarson29
Jul 09, 2004, 03:15 PM
Very impressive project! Keep us posted, please.

Matt

steelhead
Nov 29, 2004, 01:02 PM
Undead thread

Dean

carrinsr
Nov 29, 2004, 06:49 PM
I'll keep you updated...just got the wing joiner rods in from California...I can now move forward with the two outer sections.

David

shaneyee
Nov 29, 2004, 09:31 PM
Are you going to electrify, winch launch it or fly it off a slope? You're inspiring me to build a big glider myself but its pretty impractical in my country - there would no place to fly a giant like that.....sigh...

Shane

silentfly
Nov 30, 2004, 03:25 AM
shane,
you should put some kind of motor in it and fly it around at the local park and fly it over ppls' houses give them a fright......haha

OKay....sorry for beeing imature guys but i couldnt reisist :D

e-sailpilot86
Dec 17, 2004, 04:47 PM
Pictures?

Tulkas14
Dec 17, 2004, 05:18 PM
A very fantastic design. Whats the projected finish date? i would love to see pictues of that big bird as soon as possible. Question on the ribs are they all hand cut or did you have them specially made? and of course good weather and good luck to you.

Tshires
Dec 17, 2004, 05:24 PM
Yeah how about them Huskies! Sorry cant help myself!

GO BEAVERS! OSU ROCKS!

To stay on thread, is your plane purple by chance???

Yes I have an orange and black sloper! Thinking of doing my Ninja that wat also!

e-sailpilot86
Dec 17, 2004, 07:46 PM
Nope, I'm yet to have a purple plane, actually. :o Boy, I really want to see this plane. I'm eyeballing some particularly large planes as well (but not the cloud bound 4 anymore... :():

Aquilla XL
Challenger
Sailaire
Astro Jeff
Sagitta XC

tsunami
Dec 18, 2004, 03:35 PM
any new pics, u[dates on this project? im intristed to see how it looks done

bigjohn
Jul 01, 2005, 02:24 PM
I just bought a 15' glider called a Condor from David, and it looks real nice. I haven't even taken it out of the car yet. I would love to see what David's up to on this plane.

I'd love to hear about auto-towing a plane like that.

DT56
Dec 07, 2008, 02:55 PM
Any more progress on this project?