stabilizer above or parallel?

[steve]

I am wondering what the benefits are, "If any" of the stabilizer being above
the rotor head as in the Raptor, or parallel as on the Nexus?
Does this difference in position give any extra performance in stability?
or is it just a way of making models look more technical?

I must say that the stabilizer looks far more interesting above the rotor
head.

Cant they make a swashplate that does away with the stabilizer? They could
design RC helis a bit more closely related to their bigger full sized
cousins. I don't like stabilizers anyhow.lol :))

Don't mind me for asking stupid questions, you'll get used to it! :))

steve

[Beav]

"steve" <steven.haig1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:c8i1k4$8dh$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> I am wondering what the benefits are, "If any" of the stabilizer being
above
> the rotor head as in the Raptor, or parallel as on the Nexus?

None. Well none so long as you don't aspire to hovering inverted with the
rotor head touching the floor. An underslung or "same plane" flybar is best
for that as it doen't get tangled up in the floor as easily, but other than
that, there's no benefit either way.

> Does this difference in position give any extra performance in stability?
> or is it just a way of making models look more technical?

It (the first) used the underslung bar as a "feature" where it was supposed
to give shorter ling rods between two parts (the swah to the Hiller levers),
but making THOSE two shorter, made the other longer, so WAS it a feature?

>
> I must say that the stabilizer looks far more interesting above the rotor
> head.

That was the original "fashion". I prefer it underneath or "same plane", but
it wouldn't "do" if we all liked the same things now would it?

>
> Cant they make a swashplate that does away with the stabilizer?

The stabiliser's got nothing to do with the swashplate, that just carries
control inputs from a fixed position in the body to a rotating position at
the head. The rotr HEAD design is what makes it wither a flybar head or a
flyber-less head and yes, yu can have either. You can even have multiple
blades (2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 if you're a masochist)

They could
> design RC helis a bit more closely related to their bigger full sized
> cousins. I don't like stabilizers anyhow.lol :))

Take the bar off, lock the flybar yoke and fly. You KNOW it makes sense:-)

>
> Don't mind me for asking stupid questions, you'll get used to it! :))

We already have:-)

Mister
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(with the obvious changes)

Beavisland now lives at
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[Tim]

steve wrote:
> I am wondering what the benefits are, "If any" of the stabilizer
> being above the rotor head as in the Raptor, or parallel as on the
> Nexus? Does this difference in position give any extra performance
> in stability? or is it just a way of making models look more
> technical?
>
> I must say that the stabilizer looks far more interesting above the
> rotor head.
>
> Cant they make a swashplate that does away with the stabilizer? They
> could design RC helis a bit more closely related to their bigger full
> sized cousins. I don't like stabilizers anyhow.lol :))
>
> Don't mind me for asking stupid questions, you'll get used to it! :))
>
> steve

By stabiliser, I believe you mean flybar. I don't know whether there is any
advantage to it being above/below/in-line with the blades, but there ARE
model rotor heads which don't have a flybar. Generally, anything with more
than 2 blades will be flybarless and you can get 2-blade flybarless heads as
well. They tend to be used on scale helicopters, where appearance is more
important. My understanding is that a flybarless heli is a different animal
to fly and possibly harder to control without additional gyros on the pitch
and roll axis, though I expect that is simply down to what you are used to.

I would guess that for 3D and aerobatics, a flybarless head wouldn't be
anything like as good as a flybarred one. Someone may correct me however...

Tim


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[steve]

So Mr Beav? forgive me if I sound a little naive, but are you "SERIOUS" or
just larking around about Taking the bar off, lock the flybar yoke and fly?
I think you may be boshing me now!.lol

Oh! so your used to my stupid questions eh? good! you wont mind a little
more of them then?.lol

I must admit though, the amount of info you carry around in that skull of
yours is truly amazing to say the least, my brain would pop with just half
of what you know:-)

steve


"Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
news:10apl1nicgrau36@news.supernews.com...
>
> "steve" <steven.haig1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:c8i1k4$8dh$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> > I am wondering what the benefits are, "If any" of the stabilizer being
> above
> > the rotor head as in the Raptor, or parallel as on the Nexus?
>
> None. Well none so long as you don't aspire to hovering inverted with the
> rotor head touching the floor. An underslung or "same plane" flybar is
best
> for that as it doen't get tangled up in the floor as easily, but other
than
> that, there's no benefit either way.
>
> > Does this difference in position give any extra performance in
stability?
> > or is it just a way of making models look more technical?
>
> It (the first) used the underslung bar as a "feature" where it was
supposed
> to give shorter ling rods between two parts (the swah to the Hiller
levers),
> but making THOSE two shorter, made the other longer, so WAS it a feature?
>
> >
> > I must say that the stabilizer looks far more interesting above the
rotor
> > head.
>
> That was the original "fashion". I prefer it underneath or "same plane",
but
> it wouldn't "do" if we all liked the same things now would it?
>
> >
> > Cant they make a swashplate that does away with the stabilizer?
>
> The stabiliser's got nothing to do with the swashplate, that just carries
> control inputs from a fixed position in the body to a rotating position at
> the head. The rotr HEAD design is what makes it wither a flybar head or a
> flyber-less head and yes, yu can have either. You can even have multiple
> blades (2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 if you're a masochist)
>
> They could
> > design RC helis a bit more closely related to their bigger full sized
> > cousins. I don't like stabilizers anyhow.lol :))
>
> Take the bar off, lock the flybar yoke and fly. You KNOW it makes sense:-)
>
> >
> > Don't mind me for asking stupid questions, you'll get used to it! :))
>
> We already have:-)
>
> Mister
> --
> Beav
>
>
> Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
> (with the obvious changes)
>
> Beavisland now lives at
> www.beavisoriginal.co.uk
>
>

[Swiss Tony]

It's a very big skull :-)'
"steve" <steven.haig1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:c8jcrd$7mj$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> So Mr Beav? forgive me if I sound a little naive, but are you "SERIOUS" or
> just larking around about Taking the bar off, lock the flybar yoke and
fly?
> I think you may be boshing me now!.lol
>
> Oh! so your used to my stupid questions eh? good! you wont mind a little
> more of them then?.lol
>
> I must admit though, the amount of info you carry around in that skull of
> yours is truly amazing to say the least, my brain would pop with just half
> of what you know:-)
>
> steve
>
>
> "Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
> news:10apl1nicgrau36@news.supernews.com...
> >
> > "steve" <steven.haig1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:c8i1k4$8dh$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> > > I am wondering what the benefits are, "If any" of the stabilizer being
> > above
> > > the rotor head as in the Raptor, or parallel as on the Nexus?
> >
> > None. Well none so long as you don't aspire to hovering inverted with
the
> > rotor head touching the floor. An underslung or "same plane" flybar is
> best
> > for that as it doen't get tangled up in the floor as easily, but other
> than
> > that, there's no benefit either way.
> >
> > > Does this difference in position give any extra performance in
> stability?
> > > or is it just a way of making models look more technical?
> >
> > It (the first) used the underslung bar as a "feature" where it was
> supposed
> > to give shorter ling rods between two parts (the swah to the Hiller
> levers),
> > but making THOSE two shorter, made the other longer, so WAS it a
feature?
> >
> > >
> > > I must say that the stabilizer looks far more interesting above the
> rotor
> > > head.
> >
> > That was the original "fashion". I prefer it underneath or "same plane",
> but
> > it wouldn't "do" if we all liked the same things now would it?
> >
> > >
> > > Cant they make a swashplate that does away with the stabilizer?
> >
> > The stabiliser's got nothing to do with the swashplate, that just
carries
> > control inputs from a fixed position in the body to a rotating position
at
> > the head. The rotr HEAD design is what makes it wither a flybar head or
a
> > flyber-less head and yes, yu can have either. You can even have multiple
> > blades (2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 if you're a masochist)
> >
> > They could
> > > design RC helis a bit more closely related to their bigger full sized
> > > cousins. I don't like stabilizers anyhow.lol :))
> >
> > Take the bar off, lock the flybar yoke and fly. You KNOW it makes
sense:-)
> >
> > >
> > > Don't mind me for asking stupid questions, you'll get used to it! :))
> >
> > We already have:-)
> >
> > Mister
> > --
> > Beav
> >
> >
> > Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot
com"
> > (with the obvious changes)
> >
> > Beavisland now lives at
> > www.beavisoriginal.co.uk
> >
> >
>
>

[Swiss Tony]

It's a very big skull :-)'
"steve" <steven.haig1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:c8jcrd$7mj$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> So Mr Beav? forgive me if I sound a little naive, but are you "SERIOUS" or
> just larking around about Taking the bar off, lock the flybar yoke and
fly?
> I think you may be boshing me now!.lol
>
> Oh! so your used to my stupid questions eh? good! you wont mind a little
> more of them then?.lol
>
> I must admit though, the amount of info you carry around in that skull of
> yours is truly amazing to say the least, my brain would pop with just half
> of what you know:-)
>
> steve
>
>
> "Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
> news:10apl1nicgrau36@news.supernews.com...
> >
> > "steve" <steven.haig1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:c8i1k4$8dh$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> > > I am wondering what the benefits are, "If any" of the stabilizer being
> > above
> > > the rotor head as in the Raptor, or parallel as on the Nexus?
> >
> > None. Well none so long as you don't aspire to hovering inverted with
the
> > rotor head touching the floor. An underslung or "same plane" flybar is
> best
> > for that as it doen't get tangled up in the floor as easily, but other
> than
> > that, there's no benefit either way.
> >
> > > Does this difference in position give any extra performance in
> stability?
> > > or is it just a way of making models look more technical?
> >
> > It (the first) used the underslung bar as a "feature" where it was
> supposed
> > to give shorter ling rods between two parts (the swah to the Hiller
> levers),
> > but making THOSE two shorter, made the other longer, so WAS it a
feature?
> >
> > >
> > > I must say that the stabilizer looks far more interesting above the
> rotor
> > > head.
> >
> > That was the original "fashion". I prefer it underneath or "same plane",
> but
> > it wouldn't "do" if we all liked the same things now would it?
> >
> > >
> > > Cant they make a swashplate that does away with the stabilizer?
> >
> > The stabiliser's got nothing to do with the swashplate, that just
carries
> > control inputs from a fixed position in the body to a rotating position
at
> > the head. The rotr HEAD design is what makes it wither a flybar head or
a
> > flyber-less head and yes, yu can have either. You can even have multiple
> > blades (2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 if you're a masochist)
> >
> > They could
> > > design RC helis a bit more closely related to their bigger full sized
> > > cousins. I don't like stabilizers anyhow.lol :))
> >
> > Take the bar off, lock the flybar yoke and fly. You KNOW it makes
sense:-)
> >
> > >
> > > Don't mind me for asking stupid questions, you'll get used to it! :))
> >
> > We already have:-)
> >
> > Mister
> > --
> > Beav
> >
> >
> > Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot
com"
> > (with the obvious changes)
> >
> > Beavisland now lives at
> > www.beavisoriginal.co.uk
> >
> >
>
>

[Beav]

"steve" <steven.haig1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:c8jcrd$7mj$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> So Mr Beav? forgive me if I sound a little naive, but are you "SERIOUS" or
> just larking around about Taking the bar off, lock the flybar yoke and
fly?
> I think you may be boshing me now!.lol

Nope, it's very doable, but the heli loses a bit of "something":-) If you
simply locked the flybar on your existing setup, the heli will still fly but
the controls are very sluggish, so I wouldn't advise doing that. I've seen a
few people leave the flybar lock on the head (it's only a tiny thing on the
X-cell heli's) and complain that the heli isn't flying "right". They're
still FLYING, but they've lost the "wickness". I don't even have to look at
the heli to know that their description is all about the flybar being
"stuck".
>
> Oh! so your used to my stupid questions eh? good! you wont mind a little
> more of them then?.lol

Would it matter if I did? :-)
>
> I must admit though, the amount of info you carry around in that skull of
> yours is truly amazing to say the least, my brain would pop with just half
> of what you know:-)

Mine did pop, I keep all the info in a small bottle next to the 'puter these
days:)


--
Beav


Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
(with the obvious changes)

Beavisland now lives at
www.beavisoriginal.co.uk

[Werner F.E.Goldbaum]

Hallo,

just a remark... and some questions...

Like Beav: It's many moons ago, when one of the first flyers (Ernie Huber
(??)) began with inverted flights, he always did it with the
Kavan-rigid-head. Why not with the flybar headed machines? Were it just the
smaller servo-ways for full pitch in both directions? (Was Curtis Youngblood
the first inverted flybar pilot, when showing the new 3D-way of helis?)

Well I tried such a head "once a time ago". Wooden blades with weights at
the end (220g total).This head looked VERY good on my Jetranger and I could
handle it, but it was not so comfortable as I wished... And that seems
what's still the matter in our "modern" days?

With my "far away scaled" machines I never did aerobatics an never will try
it. (To tell the trooth; I never tried aerobatics till Beav and the 401
convinced me with another look...)

Werner

PS: Disclaimer: Sorry. I'm not a native english writer....

[The Observer]

Werner F.E.Goldbaum wrote:


>
> PS: Disclaimer: Sorry. I'm not a native english writer....
>
>

Are you from Bolton too?

[Swiss Tony]

ha bloody ha,oh I did chuckle at that last comment about us Boltonians eh
Beav :-)
"The Observer" <penniless@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:2hbkhqFb2lc4U2@uni-berlin.de...
>
>
> Werner F.E.Goldbaum wrote:
>
>
> >
> > PS: Disclaimer: Sorry. I'm not a native english writer....
> >
> >
>
> Are you from Bolton too?
>

[Beav]

"Swiss Tony" <daveruss@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:40b25759$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> ha bloody ha,oh I did chuckle at that last comment about us Boltonians eh
> Beav :-)

Ah, but I'm not a Boltonian am I? I'm a Mancunian who's merely been
transplanted to Bowt'n. :-)


--
Beav


Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
(with the obvious changes)

Beavisland now lives at
www.beavisoriginal.co.uk

[Avi Yadgar]

> Cant they make a swashplate that does away with the stabilizer? They could
> design RC helis a bit more closely related to their bigger full sized
> cousins. I don't like stabilizers anyhow.lol :))

It will require the servos to work under much more pressure.

[Beav]

"Avi Yadgar" <yadgar@tx.technion.ac.il> wrote in message
news:c8v2ee$5ki$1@news.iucc.ac.il...
> > Cant they make a swashplate that does away with the stabilizer? They
could
> > design RC helis a bit more closely related to their bigger full sized
> > cousins. I don't like stabilizers anyhow.lol :))
>
> It will require the servos to work under much more pressure.

Not if the head is designed properly. Remember that not all full size heli's
have powered controls, they rely purely on the strength of the pilots arm.



--
Beav


Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
(with the obvious changes)

Beavisland now lives at
www.beavisoriginal.co.uk

[Swiss Tony]

Ah but I know that,coz your visa is due to run out soon and you are gonna
get deported back ta manc land :-)
"Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
news:10b50j076vdbp67@news.supernews.com...
>
> "Swiss Tony" <daveruss@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:40b25759$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> > ha bloody ha,oh I did chuckle at that last comment about us Boltonians
eh
> > Beav :-)
>
> Ah, but I'm not a Boltonian am I? I'm a Mancunian who's merely been
> transplanted to Bowt'n. :-)
>
>
> --
> Beav
>
>
> Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
> (with the obvious changes)
>
> Beavisland now lives at
> www.beavisoriginal.co.uk
>
>

[Beav]

"Swiss Tony" <daveruss@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:40b3d163$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Ah but I know that,coz your visa is due to run out soon and you are gonna
> get deported back ta manc land :-)

Thi don't take unvisa'd ex-pat Mancs these days Swiss, so tha's stuck wi' me
:-)

Anyroad, when're you going to bell me?


--
Beav


Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
(with the obvious changes)

Beavisland now lives at
www.beavisoriginal.co.uk

[Swiss Tony]

thought I'd finish me heli first,then turn up at ya house unannounced as
usual :-))
"Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
news:10bb8772spjlff1@news.supernews.com...
>
> "Swiss Tony" <daveruss@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:40b3d163$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> > Ah but I know that,coz your visa is due to run out soon and you are
gonna
> > get deported back ta manc land :-)
>
> Thi don't take unvisa'd ex-pat Mancs these days Swiss, so tha's stuck wi'
me
> :-)
>
> Anyroad, when're you going to bell me?
>
>
> --
> Beav
>
>
> Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
> (with the obvious changes)
>
> Beavisland now lives at
> www.beavisoriginal.co.uk
>
>

[Beav]

"Swiss Tony" <daveruss@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:40b64f0d$1_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> thought I'd finish me heli first,then turn up at ya house unannounced as
> usual :-))

Things never change :-)

I'll see you when I see you then:)


--
Beav


Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
(with the obvious changes)

Beavisland now lives at
www.beavisoriginal.co.uk