Yacht for sailing in weedy lake

[Purple Baron]

My old man has made several yachts from plans I purchased on the www, however they've proved to be no good on the small man made lake he sails them in, as it's full of weeds, and they get tangled around the keel and rudder.

Does anybody know of any yacht designs out there that have a sleeker or shallower keel design that might evade snagging on weeds ?

tHE pURpLE baROn
Can Fly......can't sail, yet.

[rcsoar4fun]

Probably the best bet around is the EC-12. www.ec12.com
Kristopher

[Purple Baron]

That looks like it'll do the trick, thanks.

[robert harik]

Check out a tri hull, there are some kits and plans around. They are alot faster than mono hulls, but dont point as well. I have sailed these in lakes so weedy that there was no way to sail a mono hull but they did fine. Check out the AMYA web site for links.

[rcsoar4fun]

A well designed multihull will point every bit as well as a monohull, often better.

Kristopher

[robert harik]

The tri hull models I have sailed and the full sized I have raced against certainly couldn't. They did alot more tacking thats for sure, but kicked but in the speed dept. Maybe they have come out with some better designs in the last 10 years.

[Purple Baron]

I went to the EC12 site you suggested and downloaded the free plan, but when I open it on my screen there's nothing visible, it must be there as the file properties state there's 1000 & something kb of file. We don't have a Kinko's here, will any photocopy/print shop be able to print the plan ?
What size paper is required to print it on, A2?
Is that the only EC12 plan available on the www ?

tHE baroN puRPle

[rcsoar4fun]

The plan available on the site is not a building plan, its just an equipment layout plan. There is a list of suppliers on the website of where to buy a glass hull.

Kristopher

[Purple Baron]

He's not interested in Glass hulls, likes to make his own timber hulls. His hulls are so clean and smooth everybody thinks they are glass. Nothing against people that have glass hull yachts, but there are still craftsman out there that enjoying making the whole yacht, the only premanufacturered parts are the radio bits. and he'd make those too if he could carve it from lumber !
So if not an EC12, any other idea's ?

tHe baRON pUrpLe

[rcsoar4fun]

I prefer to build wood hulls myself. I grew up around boats, my dad is a shipwright; something about glass sailboats just seems wrong :) Have you looked at the Victor Soling? Its an ABS hull, but with a swept keel and no bulb. It might be a bit better than average.

You might check out the Vintage Model Yacht Group. They have a lot of drawings of full keel models that will do a bit better in a weedy pond. http://www.swcp.com/usvmyg/

Finally, check out this website. http://www.r-boat.org/ They have several sets of plans for scale pond yachts. The Olympic or Pirate plans might be just what you are looking for.

Kristopher

[ahab]

There is a new model from canada..the mini-12.. it has the style hull of the ec-12 but is smaller and easier to transport. The AYMA site shows it. I believe they have plans, hulls, etc. available from the designer.

One could purchase a "for sale" ec-12 and use it as a template etc for a
do-it-yourself scale down/up and have the advantages of both worlds.

Jarvis

[toddk]

For what it is worth, I have built a Pirate and I think it would do very well sailing in a weedy pond. The plans available from the Pirate Committee http://www.r-boat.org/ are for bread and butter construction. If he likes to build with wood it would be a good way to go. I think it would be worth a look.

Todd

[Purple Baron]

I downloaded that plan of the EC12, and took it to a local Print shop, they printed it at 100% size onto A0 size paper for NZ$11.25

Has anybody ever made this yacht hull out of timber, rather than fibreglass ?

thE baROn puRPLe

[Schoolbus Small]

Anyone know a good site for plan's and info on cats or trihull's,would like to buy one then build my own......thx

[tallastro]

I downloaded that plan of the EC12, and took it to a local Print shop, they printed it at 100% size onto A0 size paper for NZ$11.25

Has anybody ever made this yacht hull out of timber, rather than fibreglass ?

thE baROn puRPLe

Most skippers that sail this class race them. The rules require a hull be manufactured by an approved builder using the class owned master molds. I've be thinking of trying this design at Footy size to see how it works but haven't had the time (or skill, for that matter).

Good luck. A wood EC12 will be pretty.

[slotracer577]

The EC-12 is a one design and has to be build from a mold built from an approved plug. If you build one yourself, it is technically not an EC-12 as far as racing it. You can certainly build one, just done expect to ever race it against other EC-12's in anything other than a local club race. you could also get J boat plans and shrink them a little more.

John

I downloaded that plan of the EC12, and took it to a local Print shop, they printed it at 100% size onto A0 size paper for NZ$11.25

Has anybody ever made this yacht hull out of timber, rather than fibreglass ?

thE baROn puRPLe

[gospectredotcom]

ah sailing in weeds!!!

thats why i built the fife classic (www.gospectre.com) , the lines are from william fife the second and as with most model yachts , add a bit more bouyancy to the bow sections and she will work a treat!!!

have a look in some of the Uffa Fox books for lines, they would look stunning in wood!!

[Earl Boebert]

As an aside, don't worry that a full-keel model will turn slowly. As long as the rudder has a decent amount of rake, they'll turn on a dime. (I have no idea why this is the case, but it's true.) Also, if you're looking at full-size lines plans, any R class boat (like Pirate) will scale down just fine, even with a scale sail plan.

Cheers,

Earl

[Bill_K]

...Does anybody know of any yacht designs out there that have a sleeker or shallower keel design that might evade snagging on weeds ?....
My understanding is that the US 12 may be well suited for this purpose:
http://www.modelyacht.org/us12.html

[mfr02]

Always remember that a shallower fin will need a bigger weiht to give the same righting moment, or you will wind up with a more tender boat than intended. Balancing things p with a lower sail plan helps.

[breakwater]

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[Earl Boebert]

Always remember that a shallower fin will need a bigger weiht to give the same righting moment, or you will wind up with a more tender boat than intended. Balancing things p with a lower sail plan helps.

Good point. Also note that hulls designed to the Universal or International rules are deliberately tender up to a point. That is, they are designed to heel rapidly over to near rail down and then stiffen up. The purpose of this is to get them quickly to the elongated waterline that heeling provides. This tends to be a bit alarming to those used to sailing fin and bub designs which tend to be equally stiff at all angles of heel.

Cheers,

Earl

[gospectredotcom]

yes the fife is a bit tender, but she is a heavy displacement , yet at the same length as a victoria she beat them all in the light weather!!!!

when the wind comes up, yes she heels, but then points like a witch and storms along (just as real full lenght keel boats do), its not until you wish to turn away from the wind that the rounding up matters. but on a pond you just go to the windward side and fish her out!!!

lots of fun in an otherwise un sailable area!!!

Ac

[rcsoar4fun]

See, now Fife knew what boats were supposed to look like! :)

[tallastro]

I created a monster. I just realized that this thread was revived with a post about cats and trihulls and I answered a previous question in the thread about the EC12. The previous question was from more than 3 years ago. Noone has offered any help for the multihull question either. Oops :)

[gospectredotcom]

what was the multi hull question , im building one now, in between things!!!

Ac

[mfr02]

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