Dean in Milwaukee, Ezone member, now selling own design ParkRacer!

[DeaninMilwaukee]

Late last summer, a thread here about indoor micro racing inpired me to build a design I'd been kicking around for a while, culminating in my ParkRacer sportplane. Turned out to be a very fun plane for outdoors!

Specs:

span 24"
A/E/T
motor ips s1 with 6x5 prop
weight about 6 oz RTF
Performance - does about 30 mph and is very aerobatic, flies a bit over 30 minutes wide open per charge with 3s 700 etec's. Handles wind easily, has been flown successfully in winds over 20 mph.

On my site, only one video so far, and I'm not pleased with it due to the gray sky we had while shooting, but at least it'll give you guys an idea of its aerobatic potential.
A better video will come when we finally get some blue sky's.

Hope you guys like the plane.

Dean in Milwaukee

Heres the link: http://www.FLIGHTENDEAVOR.COM

[dostacos]

your link does not work

[DeaninMilwaukee]

Not sure why the links not working. Just cut and paste and it'll still get you there.


Dean

[dostacos]

when I cut and paste it says it does not exist, when I leave off the WWW and .com it says it is underconstruction

[WJ Birmingham]

http://www.flightendeavor.com/

Best wishes to you Dean.

WJ

[dostacos]

that worked :)

[dostacos]

so ah...could I use a direct drive 280? I don't think that will be a good "first" plane. I need to get some flight time in before I get that plane. but I think a pair when my son and I are ready...

[DeaninMilwaukee]

Thanks WJ, I was'nt sure why it was'nt linking. Fixed now.

dostacos: I tested with a 280 and a zagi prop, and was pretty dissapointed with the result. About 1 oz heavier, no more rpms, and amps were almost double.

I did also try it with a ae250 motor. 3x2 prop and 3s kokum 340's, and that one flew very well, but only 5 minute flights. I belive that the ae 250 on 2s tp1320's and a 4x2.5 prop could be great, but still only 15 minute flights.

As for being a beginner plane, probally would'nt be bad with reduced throws, a bit touchy for beginners set up as recommended.


Dean in Milwaukee

[TooTall]

nice work dean...I will have to check into one of those when my build line shortens a bit....don't misunderstand, I don't want to get caught up , just need to shorten the line before adding others....good luck on the business , Tom

[DeaninMilwaukee]

Thnaks Too Tall. I completely understand your dilemma as I've got several unfinished planes about myself. Perhaps I should take plane building vacation! ( yeah, the wife would love that one!).


Dean in Milwaukee

[j_z_123]

Oh sweet man! I think a CDrom motor will do wonder on this:D!

Jon

[RCParkflyer]

Congratulations Dean !!! Looks Like a great Plane, did you build the website yourself?


Tom - Milwaukee

[DeaninMilwaukee]

A cd rom would be pretty awesome. The planes designed to operate on very little input power, its only averaging around 15 watts input, and a cd rom would likely double that or more. Could be very interesting!

The website was put together for me by my sister and her company, Andiamo Design. Its nice to have a talented relative. :) My personal web building skills are almost nill.


Dean in Milwaukee

[j_z_123]

If you'd like another beta tester..let me know:)

Jon

[jcm1010]

Hi all, I was lucky enough to be the first tester for the ParkRacer. To give a little back ground information I've been RC'ing for about a year. Still pretty new to the whole thing. I currently have a TIFO(retired), Modified Mini IFO/Gee Bee Combo (gym flyer),GWS Cub (pic of whats left under my id Mid air with a BIGT), T52, and just finishing a Magic Extra gasser (I should destroy this quick) and of course the ParkRacer(PR).
I have learned quickly that certain planes fly better in certain conditions. My T52 can handle quite a bit of wind and the rest of my planes are pretty much calm day flyers. Everytime I go to the field I have to load all them into the car so I can have at least one plane to fly. With the PR it flew great in the gym fly (everyone lands when I fly)and outdoors. At the outdoor field is when the ParkRacer shines. We took it to the gas field and let it rip. You should have seen all of the die hard gas flyers' eyes. The PR can climb, spin, loop, and flat out haul ass. I'm looking forward to this summer, after more pratice. Dean, Tester2, and myself are going to attempt some some pylon racing (Once they trust me).
:D

[j_z_123]

I just ran up my CDrom motor with a 6x4 prop, and 3s 700's. This thing is insane. It wants to pull out of my hand like a bat out of hell. This motor is going to be perfect for this thing. Now to save up for the plane..:D

Jon

[DeaninMilwaukee]

Jz 123: Any chance you can get amps and rpms on that motor? The stock ips drivetrain turns the gws 6x5 at 7600 rpm and 1.9 amps static. I'd love to hear how yours compares.


Dean in Milwaukee

[OzzieFlyer]

I couldn't find any details about the kit.

ie what batt comes with it, what powertrain is recommended...some close up photos.

Is that still coming or is there a link I didn't click on ?

[j_z_123]

I'll see if I can borrow a wattmeter sometime soon..

Jon

[DeaninMilwaukee]

Ozzieflyer: The details are in the pdf file for building instructions on the " our products " page.

The plane does'nt include powertrain or radio, but is recommended to use gws pico rx and servo's, gws ips s1 with 6x5 ( preferred) or ips s2 with 5x5 carbon ( almost as good) on 3s 700 to 800 mah sized lipoly's, at around 1.8 oz pack weight.

The recommended esc is a castle creations pixie 7p, but any 3 cell li-poly capable esc can be used. ( hopefully a small light one though!).

Used successfully so far are etec 700's, thunder power 860's, and with a slight balance shift, kokum 340's. The kokums only have 15 minute wide open run time, but shave over 1/2 oz from the plane and produce a better climb rate.

I am not yet shipping outside of the US. Trying to find a reasonable cost way of doing this.


Dean in Milwaukee

[SPEED-E-FLYER]

Hey Dean
What is the difference between Kit 1, Kit 2, and Kit 3
Are you going to try to stock/sell some IPS motors.

Looks Good
Larry

[DeaninMilwaukee]

"Hey Dean
What is the difference between Kit 1, Kit 2, and Kit 3
Are you going to try to stock/sell some IPS motors.

Looks Good
Larry"

No difference, its just for where your buying more than one and want different colors, so that you can indicate this by just clicking the right spot.

I may stock them eventually, but it may be a while since this would represent tying up ALOT of capitol, and gws stuff can be had almost anywhere.

Dean

[j_z_123]

Quick question,

How is the motor mounted?

Jon

[DeaninMilwaukee]

"Quick question,

How is the motor mounted?

Jon"


In conventional ips style, on a motor stick attatched to a firewall.

Dean

[j_z_123]

Ok guys,

Just placed an order. This should be very interesting. The CDrom motor, mounts with a carbon fiber rod coming out of the back, should it will not be hard at all to mount. I'm going to be using 3s 340's, and 3s 700's, with a 6x4 prop. I'm really exited!!
How many servos does this thing use? I orderd Red tape, and I'm going to use some kind of white trim.

I'll post everything as I go along. Lots of pictures, and flight reports.

Thanks!

Jon

[DeaninMilwaukee]

j z 123, I agree that this is going to be very interesting!

You will likely be doubleing the thrust on a plane that already has good vertical performance on the stock ips's 56 watt/lb. I can only imagine what yours will fly like. :D

Its fun for me as a designer to see people make modifications to my designs and make them better. Randy ( romans1015) did that both by glassing his plane, and he also came up with the s1 / 6x5 setup where I had been sold on the s2 / 5x5. I'm really looking forward to your build thread.

BTW, your plane will be shipping Monday morning. I ship all planes the morning after they are ordered unless the next day is Sunday as the post office is closed Sundays.

Dean in Milwaukee

[j_z_123]

Awesome thanks alot. I cant wait! Do you have an estimate on how long this thing take to build?

Thanks

Jon

[DeaninMilwaukee]

"Awesome thanks alot. I cant wait! Do you have an estimate on how long this thing take to build?

Thanks

Jon"


It takes me about 2 hours, but there is a delay while you wait for the glue holding the wing spar to dry.

2 hours total work though. Not a tough kit to build at all. If you've ever built a JK Aerotech kit, you'll be right at home.

BTW, that carbon rod coming out of the back of you cd rom motor should easily CA to the top of the stock motor stick.

Dean in Milwaukee

[j_z_123]

Awesome.

Heres a picture of my motor. Its not going to be hard at all to mount:)

I have some 3s 340's that will be here tomorow. I think these are going to be insane on this motor with the plane, cause they are so light.

:D

Jon

[splatman]

Hey Dean,


How's that B-36 project goin'? Looked like it was going to be a real monster!

splat

[DeaninMilwaukee]

b-36? Are you sure you've got the right Dean?

[splatman]

Sorry Dean,

I guess I got you mixed up with Vulkinite. He was working with Jim Young on his B-29 and he was cutting up a huge foam B-36.


splat

[j_z_123]

Hey Dean,

How do you ship these kits? You said it shipped out on monday, and it still hasnt arrived.

Jon

[DeaninMilwaukee]

I send them USPS with delivery confirmation. I'm suprised you don't have it already, heres the tracking from USPS.com:

"Track & Confirm



Shipment Details


You entered 0302 2940 0002 6353 9390

Your item was processed and left our FOREST PARK, IL facility on April 29, 2004. Information, if available, is updated every evening. Please check again later.

Here is what happened earlier:
ACCEPTANCE, April 26, 2004, 8:57 am, MILWAUKEE, WI 53207 "


I would have thought your would have already gotten the kit. Hopefully sat. or mon. Sorry USPS is apparently sitting on it.


Dean in Milwaukee

[j_z_123]

Ok, thanks.

It should be here soon:)

Jon

[j_z_123]

I hope it comes tomorow!

[DeaninMilwaukee]

Heres the updated tracking info, I have to belive you'll have it tues:

Track & Confirm



Current Status


You entered 0302 2940 0002 6353 9390


Your item was processed and left our JERSEY CITY, NJ facility on May 03, 2004. Information, if available, is updated every evening. Please check again later.

[j_z_123]

Yeah, I think it will arrive Tuesday...

Now to get it flying by Thursday...the club meeting:D

Jon

[DeaninMilwaukee]

j z 123, Still waiting for that cd rom flightreport! ;)


Dean in Milwaukee

[j_z_123]

:)

I'm still trying to get the right combo. So Far I'm using a CDROM motor with a 4.75x4.75 prop, and 3s 340's. Its pretty fast...But I can never have too much power:) I've also tried a 6x4 prop, which was slower...

I've had some mounting problems with the cd rom motor too. If the prop hits on ladning, the cdrom motor will pop off the cf rod. I'm going to using some kind of liguid welding thing I think.

I still want to try a 3s 700...just never got around to it.

The plane is pretty cool. Elevater is very sencative though:) I may need to lower the rates...

Some of the Depron was also squished on shipping, But I had some on hand...

I'll have some pictures in a few:)

Jon

[DeaninMilwaukee]

"So Far I'm using a CDROM motor with a 4.75x4.75 prop, and 3s 340's. Its pretty fast"

I'll bet it is!!!

On the elevator, if your using max throws, a healthy dose of expo never hurts.

Any pics?


Dean in Milwaukee

[Mac8]

Hello,

Are there any build threads of the plane yet? Any chances of selling a CD Rom motor combo with plane?

Mac8

[DeaninMilwaukee]

No build threads yet. I could do one myself, but all that would show is that I'm good at building my own design. I know there are some build and fly threads coming though.

As for the cd rom's, as far as I know, jz 123's will be the first ParkRacer using one, or any brushless for that matter. :)

I personally have no brushless motors yet, and take pride in being able to design good performing combo's that don't need them. This plane flies very well on the recommended ips s1 on 3 cells, very good vertical, great big loops and good speed and wind handling ability, and yet flies over 30 minutes wide open on 3s etec 700's, and even longer on thunder power 860's or 830's.


Dean in Milwaukee