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Jim Ryan
Feb 25, 2004, 08:47 AM
I've been away from this discussion list for a while, but not much has changed in the interim.

The AMA remains one of the favorite rants of the uninformed and misinformed. Is AMA perfect? Certainly not. But if a few guys would do a little more reading before hitting the "send" button, a lot of rancor could be avoided.

One of the favorite rants: "Model Aviation is a lousy magazine, and I wish they'd give me the option of not taking it."

1. By LAW, the AMA has to have a regular printed publication to communicate with its membership. So you CAN'T opt out of getting the magazine. If you think they could substantially reduce membership dues by going with more of a bare bones newsletter, you haven't read the published financial statements closely enough. In the grand scheme of things, Model Aviation isn't breaking the bank.

2. It's my personal opinion that a lot of the complaints about Model Aviation's content reflect more the narrow view of the observer than the poor quality of the magazine. This is highlighted by the frequent complaints about the control line or free flight content (or giant scale, or sailplane, or...). I guess if everyone complains equally that the magazine doesn't have enough content for their particular interest then Bob Hunt must be doing a pretty good balancing act.

3. Model Aviation is YOUR magazine. Don't like the electric articles? Fire up your word processor and write something better. Don't like their construction articles? Get a big sheet of paper and a sharp #2 pencil and design a better one. I've submitted three different construction articles to Model Aviation in as many years. All have been accepted, and the staff have been pleasant and professional to work with each and every time. Oh yeah, and they pay on ACCEPTANCE, something that few publishers in ANY part of the magazine industry do (including mass market magazines).

Is Model Aviation my ideal? No. But I can find interesting content in it nearly every month. Frankly, I could say the same about magazines that are specifically tailored to the electric flight community.

Insurance is another favorite rant. For better or worse, insurance costs are a big driver in membership dues. It's an unfortunate fact that AMA's underwriters have made some big payouts in recent years, and I don't see that getting any better. Some complain that the coverage is secondary. Well, try guessing what your dues would be if AMA was your PRIMARY liability insurance.

This tempest is a teapot is no different than the wrangling over healthcare in the US. For healthcare, everyone wants three things:
1. The best healthcare money can buy.
2. The option to pick any healthcare provider they want.
3. And they want someone else to pay for it.

For AMA insurance, people also want three things:
1. AMA to be their primary insurer.
2. AMA to shut up and let them fly whenever, wherever and HOWever they like.
3. AMA dues to be free.

Good luck.

Jim

pda4you
Feb 25, 2004, 10:08 AM
I guess I will be first to bite.

AMA Magazine - Model Aviation
I hear many of the same things Jim. I find the AMA magazine to be quite enjoyable. It contains good information about contests and activities in my area. I enjoy most of the articles and read the ones of interest to me. Granted I don't spend much time on indoor free flight or control line, but that is my choice.

I think their planes and plans offerings are top notch and reasonably priced. I like the designs they feature more than any other magazine (Fly RC is going to give them a run for their money - I am building my first scratch built from plans from their mag right now).

I enjoy the electric flight and micro flight articles a great deal. They are from many submitters and have some good info. I enjoyed their electric features they have had recently. BTW your Wildcat is talking to me - can I buy one of your kits now it is published???;)

AMA insurance
Nice to have. Insurance is expensive (as is thiers) but I feel the piece of mind it gives me is well worth it. I don't fly at club fields much, but it is generally needed there as well.

AMA organization
I think they have been very key at getting more frequencies and keeping government agencies updated on our little hobby. I don't fly $10K turbine models so I don't get in on the politics there, but overall I find them engaged and active in promoting our hobby.

AMA HDQ/VP's/Pres people
Some good some bad, just like any organization with elections. It seems we get tied up in how bad the officials are, but very few of us take the time to educate, run or even VOTE. How can we blame those we don't like when we don't even vote. I do however get frustrated when my emails don't ever get returned. This from the Flying Site Coordinator for my district. Really sad considering he and I had a hour conversation about an all electric field in our area and I can't even get a returned email! My VP Dr. Frank has returned (promptly I might add) every email I have ever sent him. Kudos.

AMA perfect - no, but I like having them there. I like reading the rag. I like asking questions and being infomed. I like being insured.

Just my .02c

Mike



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Jim Ryan
Feb 25, 2004, 12:07 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by pda4you
BTW your Wildcat is talking to me - can I buy one of your kits now it is published???;)

It pains me to talk of vulgar commerce in a discussion of the AMA, but the kit will be released in August. :) There will be a press release in the Scale forum.

Thanks for all your thoughts, Mike. I know you're right that things don't always go smoothly, but we are after all dealing mostly with fellow modelers, not professional bureaucrats.

Jim

Bud Morrison
Feb 25, 2004, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by Jim Ryan
Insurance is another favorite rant. For better or worse, insurance costs are a big driver in membership dues. It's an unfortunate fact that AMA's underwriters have made some big payouts in recent years, and I don't see that getting any better. Some complain that the coverage is secondary. Well, try guessing what your dues would be if AMA was your PRIMARY liability insurance.

This tempest is a teapot is no different than the wrangling over healthcare in the US. For healthcare, everyone wants three things:
1. The best healthcare money can buy.
2. The option to pick any healthcare provider they want.
3. And they want someone else to pay for it.

For AMA insurance, people also want three things:
1. AMA to be their primary insurer.
2. AMA to shut up and let them fly whenever, wherever and HOWever they like.
3. AMA dues to be free.

Good luck.

Jim

First off I would like to say its nice to see you back posting again Jim.

As for the above I would have to differ on the secondary insurance issue. AMA is some peoples primary insurance, at least those who do not own a home and do not have home owners insurance. I would rather see the insurance the same for all members across the board. They do not know who owns a house and who has hom owners insurance so there is no way there can be any true figures on who is primary and who uses it as secondary. So I do not know how they could base rates on it.
Truthfully I would rather see AMA as a primary insurer across the board. I would even be willing to pay more to have it so.



As for the mag. I think they have entirely to much RC stuff it in hehehehehe :D