problem with e-bay seller

[les]

hi

i won a model helicopter on e-bay and payed for it the same day by paypal,
this was on the 22/12/03

after 10 days i contacted the seller asking were my item was, i was told he
was out of stock and would send it to me as soon as he got them back in,
after another 5 days i contacted him again, he then tells me he wont have
them untill the 14 jan and will post it as soon as he gets it, on the 17 th
jan i contacted him again he then tells me he had him shipment taken by
customs, then on the 19th he tells me its in the post, i got my item on the
24 th jan, i had left feedback on e-bay saying he was very slow with
delivery, he responed to the feedback saying i had changed my address, this
was not true, now here is the real problem, he was selling a heli simler to
a skyhawk , a small remote controll helicopter, but when i opened it it was
one of these bummbulebeee things and not what he was trying to sell on e-bay

his i.d on e-bay is Jatt-uk

please stay away from this guy, he tells lies and you dont get what you
payed for, i have complained to e-bay, we will see what they will do about
it if anything, i know others have had the same problem with this guy

[me@privacy.net]

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 21:09:29 -0000, "les" <NOSPAM@members.v21.co.uk>
wrote:

>customs, then on the 19th he tells me its in the post, i got my item on the
>24 th jan, i had left feedback on e-bay saying he was very slow with

>a skyhawk , a small remote controll helicopter, but when i opened it it was
>one of these bummbulebeee things and not what he was trying to sell on e-bay

Send the item back and demand a refund, if he refuses to pay out take
him to court via the internet. http://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk you will
get your £30 court fee back if you win the case.

[Don Hatten]

Les, sorry about your troubles, but did you know about the problems before
or after you submitted a bid?

Don

"les" <NOSPAM@members.v21.co.uk> wrote in message
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> hi
i know others have had the same problem with this guy
>
>

[Sirocco]

<mikekolodziej@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:ChDQb.25278$1e.7004@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> and idiotic opinions too it seems.
> mk

Well going off your reply, says it all really.....

[Nick Beard]

Well,,, there is two sides to every coin and I must say in Ebays defence
that I have had a good year trading on ebay with nether a bad deal coming or
going. I have a 100% feedback in excess of 170 and made over £5000 in 1
year. I have also spent £7000 (ouch!) so I have a little way to go to break
even! For the newcomer it is full of trader traps and one has to be aware
and sniff out the background of the trader BEFORE making a bid. Dont be put
off, just avoid all those flashy Ads and if it sound too good to be true, it
probably is!!

[les]

i did know of any problems with this guy untill after a i had payed for the
item, and had not recived it after a few days waiting, yes i have contacted
e-bay about this problem, and i know of at least one other person that got
done as well, and yes i checked his feedback before bidding, there was
nothing wrong that i could see, i put the problem on here hopeing to stop
anyone else getting done by this guy

"Don Hatten" <hattend@starband.net> wrote in message
news:BPBQb.20890$BJ4.1654107186@twister2.starband. net...
> Les, sorry about your troubles, but did you know about the problems before
> or after you submitted a bid?
>
> Don
>
> "les" <NOSPAM@members.v21.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:401308de@news.greennet.net...
> > hi
> i know others have had the same problem with this guy
> >
> >
>
>

[me@privacy.net]

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:34:31 -0000, "les" <NOSPAM@members.v21.co.uk>
wrote:

> just to put you right, i did not know that he didn't have the item untill i
>had payed , then he told me he was out of stock a few days later after i had
>payed up


Les, get his phone number out of the ebay contact forms and ring him
up. Use the court as the last resort.

Ring him up and say you want a refund, pure and simple.
Tell him if he refuses, you won't many alternatives but to take steps
to reclaim your money. Casually mention towards the end of the
conversation but don't threaten that it could lead you taking the
matter up in the courts. If you ring him and whine down the phone,
he'll probably tell you to go ahead and do whatever you want. It's
also worth sending a letter via recorded delivery to his address. It
doesn't matter if he doesn't respond, but at least it will show that
you did try and give him a chance to resolve it.

The item is not as described and not what you paid for.
Very clear case and I think the judge will award you all your money
back.

Don't let it drag on for too long either. The quicker you can file the
case, the better it is all round. I'd give him a deadline of 10 days
to refund you all the money and if he doesn't, take it to court.

[Paul McIntosh]

This is very good advice. Give him a reasonable opportunity to make things
right, then if he doesn't, crush him!

<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:34:31 -0000, "les" <NOSPAM@members.v21.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > just to put you right, i did not know that he didn't have the item
untill i
> >had payed , then he told me he was out of stock a few days later after i
had
> >payed up
>
>
> Les, get his phone number out of the ebay contact forms and ring him
> up. Use the court as the last resort.
>
> Ring him up and say you want a refund, pure and simple.
> Tell him if he refuses, you won't many alternatives but to take steps
> to reclaim your money. Casually mention towards the end of the
> conversation but don't threaten that it could lead you taking the
> matter up in the courts. If you ring him and whine down the phone,
> he'll probably tell you to go ahead and do whatever you want. It's
> also worth sending a letter via recorded delivery to his address. It
> doesn't matter if he doesn't respond, but at least it will show that
> you did try and give him a chance to resolve it.
>
> The item is not as described and not what you paid for.
> Very clear case and I think the judge will award you all your money
> back.
>
> Don't let it drag on for too long either. The quicker you can file the
> case, the better it is all round. I'd give him a deadline of 10 days
> to refund you all the money and if he doesn't, take it to court.

[les]

I INTEND TOO
"Paul McIntosh" <paul@mcintoshcentral.com> wrote in message
news:bv10qv$s90$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
> This is very good advice. Give him a reasonable opportunity to make
things
> right, then if he doesn't, crush him!
>
> <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:vgc710tkjscp74ecvfpc416olnsf1hcca9@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:34:31 -0000, "les" <NOSPAM@members.v21.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > just to put you right, i did not know that he didn't have the item
> untill i
> > >had payed , then he told me he was out of stock a few days later after
i
> had
> > >payed up
> >
> >
> > Les, get his phone number out of the ebay contact forms and ring him
> > up. Use the court as the last resort.
> >
> > Ring him up and say you want a refund, pure and simple.
> > Tell him if he refuses, you won't many alternatives but to take steps
> > to reclaim your money. Casually mention towards the end of the
> > conversation but don't threaten that it could lead you taking the
> > matter up in the courts. If you ring him and whine down the phone,
> > he'll probably tell you to go ahead and do whatever you want. It's
> > also worth sending a letter via recorded delivery to his address. It
> > doesn't matter if he doesn't respond, but at least it will show that
> > you did try and give him a chance to resolve it.
> >
> > The item is not as described and not what you paid for.
> > Very clear case and I think the judge will award you all your money
> > back.
> >
> > Don't let it drag on for too long either. The quicker you can file the
> > case, the better it is all round. I'd give him a deadline of 10 days
> > to refund you all the money and if he doesn't, take it to court.
>
>

[Rob Morley]

In article <Y%WQb.27663$qx2.3245980@stones.force9.net>, "Robert Newton"
rob@newtonuk.no-spam.plus.com says...
<snip>
>
> Personally, if I've followed a thread I don't want to have to read through
> every message again to read the next post which is 'supposed to be' at the
> bottom of the thread!
>
That will be why people also <snip> irrelevant text. People who top-
post and quote the entire original text beneath their contribution
really are the lowest of the low.

[Rob Morley]

In article <1018gcnk33fka17@corp.supernews.com>, "Roger"
rwlostguinn@waymark.net says...
> bottom posting is a horrible habit--since you then have to wade thru all
> the crud that people have not snipped out.

So because some people are too ignorant, lazy, stupid or bloody-minded
to snip it becomes acceptable to post in this way?

[Robert Newton]

Ignorant, lazy, stupid or bloody minded?

You missed one....

Not Neccessary

Most people don't have an issue with, just those who are ignorant, stupid or
bloody minded!


"Rob Morley" <nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a7e53af5376f829989a65@text.news.ntlworld .com...
> In article <1018gcnk33fka17@corp.supernews.com>, "Roger"
> rwlostguinn@waymark.net says...
> > bottom posting is a horrible habit--since you then have to wade thru all
> > the crud that people have not snipped out.
>
> So because some people are too ignorant, lazy, stupid or bloody-minded
> to snip it becomes acceptable to post in this way?

[Rob Morley]

In article <jDXQb.19020$tQ6.1014694@wards.force9.net>, "Robert Newton"
rob@newtonuk.no-spam.plus.com says...
> "Rob Morley" <nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1a7e53af5376f829989a65@text.news.ntlworld .com...
> > In article <1018gcnk33fka17@corp.supernews.com>, "Roger"
> > rwlostguinn@waymark.net says...
> > > bottom posting is a horrible habit--since you then have to wade thru all
> > > the crud that people have not snipped out.
> >
> > So because some people are too ignorant, lazy, stupid or bloody-minded
> > to snip it becomes acceptable to post in this way?
>
> Ignorant, lazy, stupid or bloody minded?
>
> You missed one....
>
> Not Neccessary
>
> Most people don't have an issue with, just those who are ignorant, stupid or
> bloody minded!
>
I see your poor communication skills extend beyond the inability to
format a post correctly.

[Robert Newton]

Sorry, I missed your point.

Oh yes, there it is right down at the bottom, after all the headers and
previous messages.

Anyway, never mind. Live and let live. If this is all we've got to worry
about, we must have pretty good lives!

Cheers!
"Rob Morley" <nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> In article <jDXQb.19020$tQ6.1014694@wards.force9.net>, "Robert Newton"
> rob@newtonuk.no-spam.plus.com says...
> > "Rob Morley" <nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1a7e53af5376f829989a65@text.news.ntlworld .com...
> > > In article <1018gcnk33fka17@corp.supernews.com>, "Roger"
> > > rwlostguinn@waymark.net says...
> > > > bottom posting is a horrible habit--since you then have to wade thru
all
> > > > the crud that people have not snipped out.
> > >
> > > So because some people are too ignorant, lazy, stupid or bloody-minded
> > > to snip it becomes acceptable to post in this way?
> >
> > Ignorant, lazy, stupid or bloody minded?
> >
> > You missed one....
> >
> > Not Neccessary
> >
> > Most people don't have an issue with, just those who are ignorant,
stupid or
> > bloody minded!
> >
> I see your poor communication skills extend beyond the inability to
> format a post correctly.

[Nick Beard]

Oh dear,,,why not snip the lot. See!!!!

[Paul McIntosh]

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And people who have to nitpick things like this need to get a life.

"Rob Morley" <nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> In article <Y%WQb.27663$qx2.3245980@stones.force9.net>, "Robert Newton"
> rob@newtonuk.no-spam.plus.com says...
> <snip>
> >
> > Personally, if I've followed a thread I don't want to have to read
through
> > every message again to read the next post which is 'supposed to be' at
the
> > bottom of the thread!
> >
> That will be why people also <snip> irrelevant text. People who top-
> post and quote the entire original text beneath their contribution
> really are the lowest of the low.

[Rob Morley]

In article <bv2h4r$b8g$1@sparta.btinternet.com>, "Paul McIntosh"
paul@mcintoshcentral.com says...
> And people who have to nitpick things like this need to get a life.
>
So you concede that you don't have a valid argument to support your
position? Can't say that I'm surprised.

[Robert Newton]

Rob,

Sorry to chip back in, but....

And you did? It seems Paul's argument is just as valid or invalid as yours
was.

Let it lie.

Rob

"Rob Morley" <nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1a7ee8d060d23255989a70@text.news.ntlworld .com...
> In article <bv2h4r$b8g$1@sparta.btinternet.com>, "Paul McIntosh"
> paul@mcintoshcentral.com says...
> > And people who have to nitpick things like this need to get a life.
> >
> So you concede that you don't have a valid argument to support your
> position? Can't say that I'm surprised.

[Paul McIntosh]

No, what I am sayins is I don't NEED a valid arguement against nitpicking.

"Rob Morley" <nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> In article <bv2h4r$b8g$1@sparta.btinternet.com>, "Paul McIntosh"
> paul@mcintoshcentral.com says...
> > And people who have to nitpick things like this need to get a life.
> >
> So you concede that you don't have a valid argument to support your
> position? Can't say that I'm surprised.

[Col]

>snip<

> And please don't top-post. This is where it goes.

Here we go....

Col.

[Boris]

Yes

"Rob Morley" <nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> In article <1018gcnk33fka17@corp.supernews.com>, "Roger"
> rwlostguinn@waymark.net says...
> > bottom posting is a horrible habit--since you then have to wade thru
all
> > the crud that people have not snipped out.
>
> So because some people are too ignorant, lazy, stupid or bloody-minded
> to snip it becomes acceptable to post in this way?

[Paul McIntosh]

Anarchy at work!

"Boris" <Boris4321@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Yes
>
> "Rob Morley" <nospam@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1a7e53af5376f829989a65@text.news.ntlworld .com...
> > In article <1018gcnk33fka17@corp.supernews.com>, "Roger"
> > rwlostguinn@waymark.net says...
> > > bottom posting is a horrible habit--since you then have to wade thru
> all
> > > the crud that people have not snipped out.
> >
> > So because some people are too ignorant, lazy, stupid or bloody-minded
> > to snip it becomes acceptable to post in this way?
>
>