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therotund1
Jan 04, 2004, 01:00 AM
!Introduction

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| Specifications:
|> <b>Wingspan:</b> |< 59 in (1500mm)
|> <b>Wing Area:</b> |< 930 sq in (60dm2)
|> <b>Weight:</b> |< 49.5-5.5 lb (2200-2500g)
|> <b>Wing Loading:</b> |< 12.1-13.6 oz/sq ft (37-42g/dm2)
|> <b>Length:</b> |< 59 in (1490mm)
|> <b>Requires:</b> |< 2-stroke .46 cu in (7.5cc) or 4-stroke .52 cu in (8.5cc) engine, 4-channel radio w/5 servos, glow fuel and suport equipment

Kyosho's FLIP 3D was designed by Christope Paysant-Le-Roux, 2 time F3A World Champion. It is advertised as a low speed trickster that will "showcase piloting skills and to transport the adventurous ace to the outer limits of aerobatic excess." We are about to find out if it lives up to that claim...

* What I used in it...
* Engine: O.S. FS 70 Surpass II
* Prop: Master Airscrew 13-6 K Series
* Spinner: Great Planes 2-1/4 inch aluminum
* Mount: Great Planes 40 size
* Servo's: Futaba S3001 (5)
* Receiver: Futaba FP-R127DF
* Battery: 1000Mah
* Tank: As supplied
* Control rods: 4-40
* Tailwheel: Sullivan S859
* Hinges: Great Planes CA type

!Kit Contents

The Flip arrived intact with no damage and was very well packed. All of the major parts were individually bagged in plastic and separated well to resist shipping damage.

@905591:Unpacking

As you can see, it is covered in clear with a multi-colored, multi piece design work on it. With the bulk of the covering in clear, it allows a good inspection of the quality of the wood used and the construction. I found absolutely no faults in the airframe at all. Superb quality of the wood used.

!Construction

The first thing to be done is to read the assembly manual. (Download the manual at <a href="http://www.kyosho.com/manuals/index.html">http://www.kyosho.com/manuals/index.html</a> ) I found the manual a little confusing to use. There seemed to be a little detail lost in the translation from Japanese, however the photos were very good and took care of a lot of the questions. If you have assembled an ARF or two before, the manual will pose no problems at all.

!!The wing assembly

The Flip 3D has a one piece wing so this is going to be easy. The manual tells us to epoxy the supplied metal hinges and install the ailerons on the first step. I chose to wait to do this until later. The ailerons are so big (1/3rd of the wing chord) that I didn't want them flopping around while I installed the hold down bolt doubler, the belly pan and the servo's. The installation of these was pretty straight forward with no hangups. I used Futaba S3001 servo's and did not need to extend the servo wires for the ailerons. The fine folks at Kyosho also installed a string in the wing for fishing the servo leads to the center of the wing. A big help and a nice touch.

I mentioned the metal hinges for the control surfaces. Mine were binding slightly when I inspected them so I decided not to use them. I used Great Planes CA hinges instead. I also added a few more of them for security. Each aileron was slotted for four hinges, I used seven per side. Get a Great Planes hinge slotting tool, it's worth it's weight in gold. Perfect for this addition.

For my peace of mind, I also changed the servo control rods and clevises to 4-40 size. On this type of plane I go to great extremes to "bullet proof" all of the surfaces.

!!The engine and fuel tank installation

The range of engine types that this plane can use is so great, they did not drill a hole in the firewall for the fuel tank neck to fit into. This is a good thing. The Kyosho people have set this plane up to work with pumped engines. They have a former in the wing bay with the tank hole in it ready made to put the tank on the CG if you use a pumped engine. I will be using a non pumped engine so, I got out a 7/8ths inch wood bit and went to work. The firewall is marked for the center so, X marks the spot! they have supplied a two piece beam type mount and you will have to drill the firewall and install the blind nuts. I decided to use a Great Planes 40 size adjustable mount with 6-32 bolts and blind nuts to ease future engine changes. The supplied beam mounts are light and well made. This modification was purely a "me" thing.

I was afraid of underpowering the plane so the engine I used was an O.S. FS 70 Surpass II. This engine has performed very well for me in the past and is one of my favorites. The manual says to mount the 2 strokes inverted and to mount the 4 strokes at ninety degrees with the cylinder and head sticking out the right side of the cowl. I mounted my FS 70 inverted and added a Sullivan remote glow lead. My mounting choice was done to keep the range of engines I could use on this plane open. Mounting a 2 stroke on it's side would lead to major cowl problems with the muffler.

The tank is a 270cc unit (9.13fl ounces) and I did use the 3 line set-up as instructed. Easy job. There is one thing to watch out for here, because of the wide array of engines and mounting options, be careful to mind the centerline of the tank. It can be mounted either way so, line the middle of the tank with you're particular engine's carb/needle centerline and add foam to fill the void. Leak test your tank. The throttle servo will have it captured and you will not be able to easily remove it.

The throttle linkage is straight forward as well. You will have to drill the hole for the throttle rod tube but, no big deal. I do recommend that you do a "dry run" on it because of the severe angles if you mount a 4 stroke inverted.

!!Throttle servo and landing gear

The throttle servo tray will need to be epoxied in. Mine needed a little sanding to fit the recommended location. I mounted mine on the CG area to lessen the angle of the throttle rod. No problem.

The landing gear is a nice aluminum piece. Seems plenty strong. There is a front and a rear to the gear. The manual does a good job of explaining this. The wheel pants supplied are thin fiberglass and look great! They are very simple to install.

!!Tail feathers

This is one of those planes where you have to "sneak" the horizontal stabilizer into the fuselage sideways rather than from behind. You will also have to install the U shaped elevator joiner wire. First thing is to drill the joiner wire holes and lay it all out as a dry run.

@905592:Dry run of the elevator/stab assembly.

Be very careful doing the drilling. Measure twice, drill once. Notice the blue tape on the drill bit in the photo above. That's my easy way of NOT drilling too far. Measure your depth, translate it to the bit and put tape on it. Stop drilling when you get to the tape. Make sure the counterbalances do not rub on the stab.

I added an extra hinge slot per side at this time for the CA hinges. They supplied two metal hinges per side. I then mounted the wing and slid the stab in and centered it left to right. Then I equalized the distance from the front corner of the stab to the rear edge of the wing at the tip. I re-checked that it was still centered then stood back to check the up and down alignment with the wing. Mine was right on the money. No sanding required. Yippeee! I marked the covering with a Sharpie and took it all apart. Be sure you put the elevator joiner wire in the rear of the stab slot before you epoxy it in. Use 30 minute epoxy here to allow enough time to align everything taking care not to get any on the joiner wire.

@905593:The joiner wire and stab in place.

Time for the rudder. Notice I haven't said anything about a vertical stabilizer yet... Well, there ain't one! This thing has a full flying rudder!!! Too cool! Kyosho included two metal hinges and a tailwheel assembly we'll need to deal with before we can attach the rudder. I cut two more slots for CA hinges and deleted the factory tailwheel. I used a Sullivan tailwheel assembly because it does not let any vertical shock go into the rudder. It mounts to the bottom of the fuse and has a spring loaded tiller that attaches to the rudder. I was worried about the rudder getting knocked loose due to a, not so perfect, landing. CA the hinges and move on.

!!Elevator and rudder servos

The manual is a little vague on the servo mounting here but, the pictures tell it all. The elevator servo goes on the right side of the fuse with the output for the arm towards the top of the plane. The rudder servo goes on the left side of the plane with the output for the arm towards the bottom of the plane. I had to stare at the picture for a few minutes to get this. When installed, the servo placement is a no brainer. It all looks so simple! I added eighteen inch servo wire extensions to be sure I could place the receiver anywhere in the wing bay. (I could have used twelve inch extensions with the rearward receiver position.)

!!Canopy and cowl

I skipped ahead to the canopy and cowl at this point. Add the pilot of your choice. Cut out the canopy at the marked lines. Four screws and that's done! The cowl is high quality thin fiberglass and will need to be cut for your engine. Take your time here and test fit a lot. You can always cut a little more but, you can't put it back once it's gone. Slow and easy is the ticket.

!!Mounting the electronics

The manual says the CG needs to be between 120 and 150 millimeters. I left the battery, receiver and switch installation until I put it on my Great Planes CG Machine. I found that I could mount the battery receiver and switch to the rear of the wing bay and not add any weight to the plane while in the CG range. Sweet!

After finding out where I needed to mount the battery, receiver and switch, I had to permanently secure them. The battery fit nicely in the turtle deck area behind the cockpit. I then secured the receiver towards the bottom of the plane under it. The switch went in beside the receiver on the opposite side from the exhaust. Very easy installation. To make a bulkhead between the battery and receiver took only a couple of pieces of 5/16th square spruce and a popsicle stick. Almost ready to fly now... I can't wait!

!!Tail wires

The manual has a very good diagram of the flying wires for the horizontal stabilizer. Don't be tempted to leave these off. I feel that the stresses the elevator will give warrant their use. Get help to do these. It's not that it's difficult, you just need an extra hand to keep them tight.

!!Final balance and weight

Thanks to pre-balancing the model, I arrived at a final balance point of 138 millimeters. Just right for a maiden flight. As for lateral balance, my Flip 3D did not require any weight here as well. With the equipment I used it's ready to fly weight is only 5 pounds 7 ounces. This is one well built airplane.

!!Control throws

The manual has a fantastic set of photos on step 19 that not only give you the throws but, shows you where to measure them! I like this! I brings the guesswork down to zero. I set up my Flip "by the book" on the throws for my low rates. I set the high rates on kill! Done!

!!Posing time!!!
@905594:Front
@905595:Right
@905596:Rear
@905597:Left
@905598:Bottom, thanks to our lovely model Nick (crash_out)
@905593:Closer bottom shot

!Flight!

The first flight was done by our club's resident "Test Pilot". Wind right down the runway at around 10 MPH. Inverted flight, snap rolls, 4 point rolls, 8 point rolls, wild aileron rolls and some of the tightest loops (flips) I've ever seen(and no flaperons needed) were done on the maiden flight. It required absolutely NO trimming. It has totally unlimited vertical. It will fly at a fast walking pace with complete control. He had nothing bad to say about it!

@905599:Taxiing
@905600:We're on the runway!
@905601:We're off!
@905602:In the middle of a hammerhead turn

My turn! I took off in about 40 feet at about 1/2 throttle. I made a couple of circuits to get the feel of it. I didn't try anything too radical for my first time with it. A couple of hammerheads, some tight loops, a few fast aileron rolls. The best way I know how to describe this plane is that it's a time machine. It's doing this incredible stuff rapidly but I don't feel rushed. I felt very comfortable with it. The stall test. What stall! I couldn't get it that slow while at altitude! I brought it in a little lower and was flying slow enough to scare me with total control! Time to land already. I missed the runway! It floated on past me and I was too chicken to try to land it this time. I went around. This time I landed it with about a 3 foot ground roll! This thing will fly so slow it's amazing! I'm loving it!

@905603:Turning left
@905604:Fly by

The next day. Wind blowing straight down the runway at 20MPH plus. Takeoff was in 20 feet. Harrier time! I was harrier-ing this thing with reverse ground speed (at altitude)! Freaky! Inverted was a breeze! I actually think it climbs a little but, it may just be me getting excited about it. Hovering was a problem for me in the wind. Time to land and let Jimmy fly it. It was a bear in the wind to land! It's not a windy day plane. Jimmy took it off and did more of the same but he could get it to hover upright very steady even though the wind was carrying it down the runway. I snuck a peek at the transmitter and he was giving it very small adjustments to keep it nose up! I can't wait to fly it on a calm day! Woo Hoo!

!!Changes I plan to make

After flying it on a cloudy day, I would recommend putting some brighly colored Monokote on the leading edge of the wing. I becomes hard to see with clouds behind it when coming towards you. I'm going to start moving the CG back as soon as I get a calm day to see how it acts. I'll keep you posted with updates and more pictures in the discussion section. I also intend to try several different engines.

!Conclusion...

It's definitely a keeper! A great quality plane that's an easy build. It can be flown with a 4 channel radio set without fear at the recommended rates. A 46 class 2 stroke engine will fly this plane with ease. The only thing I'm not sure of is pulling out of a hover with a 46ish engine. I have no doubts that it will make a fine 3D machine! The jury is still out on the covering design. I like it but some people at my club don't care for it. Everyone was impressed with the flight characteristics and the overall quality of the plane. Other than the hinges, I'm totally happy with the way mine went together.

!!Resources

Kyosho (www.kyosho.com) and O.S. Engines (www.osengines.com) are distributed by:

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Great Planes<br>
www.greatplanes.com <br>
P.O. Box 9021, Champaign IL 61826<br>
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I also used products from Sullivan:

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Sullivan Products<br>
www.sullivanproducts.com <br>
1 North Haven Street Baltimore MD 21224 <br>
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t_predator90
Jan 11, 2004, 04:03 AM
Hmmm..... How would it perform with a 46FX? Any good?

therotund1
Jan 11, 2004, 07:34 AM
The 46FX will fly it just fine. Underline the fly part. Hovering would be marginal at best with the 46. I haven't yet tried one on the Flip. I'm still having too much fun playing with CG and trying new stuff on the FS70. When I get a chance to try one, or something close, I'll post the results.

Hovering aside, this plane is an absolute blast to fly! Like I said in the review, It does what you want it to do but, it doesn't make you feel you're in a hurry or rushed. It is a very easy plane to fly.

If you have any more questions, let me know. I'll help any way I can.

Dave

t_predator90
Jan 11, 2004, 07:59 AM
Cool Dave, thanks. I don't think I have any more questions.

David Hogue
Jan 14, 2004, 07:03 PM
Dave,

Why use a 13x6? Doesnt seem like that would be the best choice for a 70 powered 3d plane. Have you tried other props since the writeup? I just got a Flip off towers scratchndent sale, now just gotta find or build a wing for it.

Later,
David

therotund1
Jan 14, 2004, 08:20 PM
David,

I used the Master Airscrew 13-6 K series mostly because I knew it would be acceptable on the airplane and the engine. The 70 will turn 10.5K RPM with it. It did OK in the hovering department. It was a little "vague" feeling though. I have put on an APC 14-4W on it and it has a much better feel to it. Very easy to modulate the throttle. The APC will turn 9800K RPM. I'm very happy with this combination. It's so neat to be doing all kinds of wierd stuff with it and getting lapped by the trainer planes in the pattern!:D I am flying it mostly with 4 or 5 clicks of throttle and having a blast. You're going to love this plane! I have the CG back to 150 millimeters from the LE and the plane is happy.

I finally got a calm windless day to fly it just yesterday. Knife edges are a little odd. There is some coupling requiring a very small amount of down elevator to keep it from making large circles on the canopy side. It is not a big deal. I'm still trying to master the hover. I think my chicken hearted altitude may be part of the problem. I will bring it down lower as soon as the "new" wears off. Inverted requires no elevator input to maintain altitude. Snap rolls are very violent looking at half throttle going uphill. Be ready to pop a tad of opposite aileron to get it to stop rotating. If left alone it will stabilize in about 1/3rd of a roll. Snap rolls at 4-5 clicks of throttle are just too cool for school!:) It will stop it's roll almost immediately after releasing the sticks.

More experimenting is on the way, stay tuned!

Dave

David Hogue
Jan 14, 2004, 10:50 PM
Kool,

Cant wait to get to mine, but wont be right away....dunno if this is getting glow or E-power yet, either. I thot a 14x4 would work better....enjoy!!

Later,
David

a093619
Jan 19, 2004, 01:36 AM
Dave,

Have you put it in a spin yet ?? I wonder if it would flatten out like a Magic would at full throttle .....

Jim

therotund1
Jan 19, 2004, 08:55 AM
Jim

I haven't done that yet. I'm waiting for our club's resident "Spin Doctor" to get back to the field to do a really good job of it. The second reason is that I'm chicken and want somebody who can fly out of a spin if they have to. I flew out of a spin once with a spad and couldn't tell you how I did it. I did what I was told to do. Opposite rudder and "ground-ward" elevator and play with the throttle. Nothing! I got a little tense at that time.... I just started trying to counter the spin in all 3 axis' and it finally came out. Since then, I've decided the all of my planes get the Spin Doctor's test before I try it.

This past weekend I played with snap rolls. At the recommended rates they are quite violent. With the rates jacked up, a snap roll looks like a combination of a drug induced 6 foot diameter barrel roll and a seizure! Truly wicked! Have altitude when you do this. The plane will continue to rotate well after the sticks are centered. I found myself having to apply opposite aileron to get it to stop rolling in the position I wanted it in. I'm getting better at it.

I'll let you know when it's done. Stay tuned!

Dave

Goinstraightup
Feb 23, 2004, 01:40 PM
Dave,

Great article! I have one of these on order at my LHS and I can't wait to get it. I have several profile funfly type planes and a few of the wild 3D SPADS, but this is my first 3D plane of this style. I heard they are a lot smoother than the profiles.

I'm all set with the radio, with 90 oz. torque servos for rudder and elevator, and 70 oz. servo's for the ailerons. But I still am undecided on power. I have been searching for all the info I can get on this plane and noticed that the people with hot 50 2 cycle engines still say they could have more power on this plane, but they like the light weight. People really like the YS 63 and the 70 4C engines like yours, and there's a few with .90 4C's and Saito 100's. One of the guys with the Saito 100 says it makes the most awesome 3D plane he's ever flown. What do you think?

Thanks again for the great article.

Jeff

therotund1
Feb 23, 2004, 06:52 PM
Thanks for the compliment Jeff!

I thought about trying a bigger engine on this one, but, it would be a little overkill to me. I have a Saito 100 and looked long and hard at it... ;) I may still try my O.S. 50 SX on it but like you, I've been reading that it's not that great on pullout. I think the new O.S. FS 70 Ultimate ( http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXEXP5&P=0 ) would be an outstanding choice. It's lighter, has a more precise slide valve carb and it's pumped allowing the tank to be put on the CG with ease. The Saito FA-72 ( http://horizon.hobbyshopnow.com/products/description.asp?prod=SAIE072 ) would do very well too due to it's lighter weight. There is another choice as well. Magnum's new XL 70 RFS ( http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/210945.asp ) is almost identical to the O.S. FS70S2 that I have on it now. I'm doing a review on the Magnum and not only the looks are similar, it's performance numbers are matching the O.S. as well! I've got about a half a gallon through it so far and I'm impressed. A great value for an engine in this class at $179 (as of today:) )

I have also had a chance to compare it against a friends U Can Do 60. While they're 2 different size planes, I compared the planes abilities. The Flip is definately sportier. It seems the UCD is a little tamer and slower to react to control input. The UCD is easier to hover though. But hoverin' isn't all we do. The Flip will do the rest of the manuvers with more authority than the UCD. Size may have something to do with this but, I think the UCD is designed to be a little more subtle. The UCD is a blast to play with though...:D

I'm going to play with the balance a little more on it but, it's pretty cool at 150 MM's

I think the only expo anyone would need on the Flip would be on the elevator. It is very sensitive especially when flaring for a harrier or a "normal" landing causing me to balloon a little if I don't get it just right.

My latest cool trick is to do a slow approach, drop it down and let the tail wheel run with the mains about 3 inches off the deck for about 50-60 feet before settling it on in. It's not that hard but, it's a lot of fun.

Let me know if I can help.

Dave

Goinstraightup
Feb 24, 2004, 03:31 PM
Dave,

Great engine info. That will help in my decision.

I'm really looking forward to the Flip.

Interesting points about the Fip and the UCD 60. What engine was on the UCD that you flew?

Thanks again.

Jeff

therotund1
Feb 24, 2004, 06:55 PM
Jeff, the UCD had an O.S. FS-91 S2 pumped ( http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXBY61&P=0 ) on it. Note the "had". Unfortunately, it is no more... :( It became considerably shorter and less aerodynamic due to a linkage problem. The screw came out of one of the two elevator servos when it was low enough it couldn't be recovered. I'm glad I wasn't flying it when it happened! The owner has a replacement ARF on the bench right now. We have named it "You Can Do Part Two" The really bad part about this, other than it being a very preventable boo boo, is that the needle valve and regulator got broken off the carburator. We're not sure if it can be repaired yet.

You're gonna love the Flip! It's an absolute blast! A complete and total blast. A gentle flyer that will get as weird as you want to!

Dave

Jerryjw
Apr 17, 2009, 07:14 AM
Where is the Bal pt .I lost my manual . This is on of the funist airplanes I fly
Jer

Goinstraightup
Apr 17, 2009, 08:51 AM
Wow, this is a blast from the past. 5 years sinse the post before last!

I really liked my Flip. I flew it for about 20 flights and wanted a fancy radio, so I sold a bunch of planes and stuff and got the radio. My flip is one of the only planes I've sold that I regret (so sorry, I don't have my manual any more). On hindsight I never really got comfortable with it, but I flew it enough to love how it harriered and I had high power servo's in the rons and on full rate the roll rate was a blur. Yeah, I miss it.

Jerryjw
Apr 18, 2009, 04:48 PM
where is the bal pt. on the Flip 3d .Thank You Jerryjw

Goinstraightup
Apr 18, 2009, 05:47 PM
From the construction article on the last page:

"I arrived at a final balance point of 138 millimeters. Just right for a maiden flight. As for lateral balance, my Flip 3D did not require any weight here as well."

138mm is 5.433 inches (about 5 7/16 inches)