new F-15

[nickr100]

hi all,

just quick note about our latest design and possible kit if required. Its an all depron, cnc cut f-15 for 400 size DD brushed or brushless. let me know what you think of it.

cheers

nick

[sokmeister]

looks nice! what kind of weight we talking about here? i don't know much about depron.

Sok

[feathermerchant]

Love it. How do I get one?

[nickr100]

rough figures are 5oz bare airframe, 12-13 oz with cheapo '400' brushed and 18 with a brushless setup. it has been flown at 24ozs but it was 'lively' to say the least

cheers

nick

[EKI16]

is it ARTF?

[nickr100]

feathermerchant,
speak to me nicely!! :)

seriously tho, we will do a kit of this people want one but there has to be a demand. we really need to do a batch of 10 kit a time to make it worth our while in time on the cnc. i must say tho the onepictured is the prototype and the finalised 'kit' is not in existance yet. we need to do instructions etc..

cheers

nick

[nickr100]

EKI16,

no it's a kit of depron parts

cheers

nick

[EKI16]

can it be run on a single fan or does it have to be twin fan to provide the thrust?

[salisbug]

Looks good!

A more scale canopy would be great!

Excuse my ignorance but who is kitting the model?
Do you have distributors in Australia?
What is the wing section? (I like to fly slope and power with the same model if possible)

Glenn

[EKI16]

i dont mind the canopy

[nickr100]

glenn,

this is a cartoon scale model so we are not too worried about the exact scale lines of it. as long as it looks the part in the air, thats what counts.

ignorance accepted :) we are kitting the model !! as yet we are the only people distributing as we are the only ones who have it :) but we could possibly send one out to you, would have to work out the cost tho.

cheers

nick

[nickr100]

EKI16

its a single pusher prop at the back :) not EDF

cheers

nick

[EKI16]

oh, have to look really close at the pic. i was hoping it was edf.

[CAFplanekid]

I would be interested in a kit.
Jonathan

[nickr100]

CAFplanekid,
thanks for the interest...i think i will have to crack on with the instructions as there seems to be interest out there :)

cheers

nick

[nickr100]

before anyone asks, we havent worked out a price for this kit yet, but we would like to get an idea of what people would pay for a kit like this, £20? £30? £50? £???

cheers

nick

[CAFplanekid]

Just noticed your in the UK, shipping might be alot to Texas. I dont really know what a depron kit is worth, really, but id always rather pay less than more:)

[nickr100]

CAFplanekid,

i know where your coming from. postage might be the killer to the states or to anywhere internationally. it would work out cheaper to send in bulk if there were enough orders.

cheers

nick

[pc_pilot]

very nice, give us some specs.

[nickr100]

what do you want to know, '400' dd pusher, all depron (with a few other small parts) bare airframe ~5ozs AUW 12- 25ozs depending on build and setup.

cheers

nick

[wanabefoamey]

that is one sweet jet how did you ever build it do tou have any plans or specs on it,,,,,,,,, woooooooooooow.

[nickr100]

wanabefoamey,

we just took a good 3 view, took a cad 'tracing' of it, did a lot of head scratching, did a lot of test cuts on the cnc, wasted a lot of depron, crashed a lot of test models, and then somehow ended up with what you see !! :)

cheers

nick

[wanabefoamey]

do you intend to make plans or kit it
i would sratch my head too trying to decide

[wanabefoamey]

you have to get some picks on your fliying
sweet jet

[nickr100]

we plan to kit it, if only to recoup the cost of the cnc time. how much do you think would you pay for kit of one of these?? we havent worked out the price yet :)

cheers

nick

[nickr100]

once i have figured out how to use my new digi camcorder i will post vids of it flying :)

cheers

nick

[wanabefoamey]

hows a 100.00 just a ball park figure

[wanabefoamey]

probably in your money it whould be 200.00

[nickr100]

100 what?? GBP?? USD?? YEN?? :)

[wanabefoamey]

100.00 in american money

[nickr100]

jesus!!! we were thinking of not leting it get over £50gbp, $75 ish

[wanabefoamey]

if i could get one to the states i think they whould sell like hot fire

[nickr100]

are you asking to be an agent?? :)

[wanabefoamey]

i whould put them in the hobby shops and take them to the field
and show them how they fly

[nickr100]

thats sort of what we plan to do. we also plann to do the rounds at the various shows around the country as well.

[wanabefoamey]

you have it all planed out

[wanabefoamey]

okay good i hope things go well
let me know when you have them kited

[nickr100]

we just need to have people buy them!! :) a little bit of top secret info coming out but we also have F-18 in developement as well as a few others on the drawing board.

cheers

nick

[Kev71H]

Nice looking F 15. I'm sure the hornet is going to be nice also. Alot of work isn't it?

I'm in the process of testing my own planes also. The F 15 flies great..and incidentaly I also have a hornet up and running.

The F-14 also almost ready for testing. Looks like we are having the same Ideas. Best of evertying to you my friend..and looking forward to seeing your creations. (I just wanted to let you know I wasn't stealing your Ideas so I wanted to say hello)

I'm too chicken to post all my documented pictures because its going to take time testing/cg/auw ect. with these things.

Best to you....and all of us.

Kevin
San Jose CA USA

[nickr100]

kevin,

thank you for your kind comments. we have spent the best part of the last 3 years to get to where we are now, and god only knows how many £££'s but its been fun!! the hardest part has been not being able to say anything to anyone about what we're up to!! :)

cheers

nick

[termite]

I like it and I'd like to try it out..... Build it and they will buy it!!!!!! Randy

[nickr100]

the main problem i can see already with other comments made elsewhere on RCU is going to the shiping over to the states. it might not make it feasable. we will cost it out and see what it comes to. is any one want to 'import' them tot he states in bulk it would work out cheaper.

cheers

nick

[Kev71H]

dang Nick! I'm singin your song man.

It took all I had to say hello and let you (and anyone else who reads this) what I'm up to also. Although I have not spend the time you have my friend. Also. Many of my jets are going to be for the 300 sized motors I think.

I also will be dabeling in small glow pusher jets. (ducted fan optional)

Kevin

[GWS4CEO]

Looks nice to be designed for twin EDF55s!?;)

[blucor basher]

Some things are just too good to be true. A $75 depron f15 in speed 400 size is one of those things. I'm pretty sure it will never happen, just because things this good never do. It would outsell so many other products at that price, and obvious good stuff like that never makes it to market. Too bad. I would buy one. Heck, I'd probably buy one for dd, then I'd buy another because somebody has to try to fly it on 2xmicro fans.

Sigh.

[bipeflyer]

You say F-14, are you referring to your F-18?

Matt

[Trikster]

I would take one if you could work out shipping to the US.

[The Blue Max]

nickr100

looks good! I think there would be plenty of interest in it over here, I know I would buy one, or two! Any test flights yet? Specifications? Performance? Possibly more pic's or even some video?

[salisbug]

Nick,

I'm sorry, but I still don't know who the 'we' are that are kitting the model.

Regards,

[NoamN]

wow! really really nice!!!
i'd surely buy it! but what are the flight characteristics?
also, are the motors ducked?
what is depron? is it painable?

[Jeremy_D]

what about shipping to australia... I know at 3 or 4 ppl in my club who might be interested if the all up price is ok. Looks damm good too..

Jeremy..

[roccobro]

Possibility for ducted fan use? I can't wait to get my hands on a good looking ship like that. Cost for frame?

Justin

[nickr100]

GWS4CEO, its for '400' size pusher prop but we are working on a gws edf powered craft.

The Blue Max, spec's as follows ~5ozs bare airframe, 12-25ozs AUW depending on setup. all depron construction with a few other parts.

salisbug, 'we' are NJR Modelling & Green Air Designs www.manic-models.co.uk

cheers

nick

[nickr100]

bipeflyer, if you are asking me then yes as we dont have an F-14 yet :)

NoamN, it is a '400' size pucher prop so no there is no ducting. depron is a very lightweight foam, over here the tray that meat is packaged in is made out of the same stuff. 'painable'??do you paintable or painful?? for us the cost has been very painfull and yes it is paintable because the model you see here is actually constructed from black depron foam.

cheers

nick

[nickr100]

Jeremy_D, the more we send in one box the cheaper the shipping would be. we are going to try and keep the cost of the kit to below £50gbp ($150AUSD???).

roccobro, we haven't tried fans in this design as we wanted it to be simple to build and simple to fly. we know someone will put fans in one eventually :) for price read above :)

[nickr100]

hi all,

i have just spoken to the CNC guy on his day off and we will have 20 pre-production kits within 3 weeks. each kit will be £50gbp + P&P. if you would like to order one just email me info@manic-models.co.uk

cheers

nick

[nickr100]

hi all,

i have just spoken to the CNC guy on his day off and we will have 20 pre-production kits within 3 weeks. each kit will be £50gbp + P&P. if you would like to order one just email me info@manic-models.co.uk

cheers

nick

[nickr100]

hi all,

i have just spoken to the CNC guy on his day off and we will have 20 pre-production kits within 3 weeks. each kit will be £50gbp + P&P. if you would like to order one just email me info@manic-models.co.uk

cheers

nick

[Don Sims]

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=184061

Is a link to one of the other threads the same member has posted in at least two other forums. I hate to close the one here in foamies and tried to merge the threads but couldn't since there are several in different forums.
Don

[Matthew Allen]

:cool: Looks great, especially for depron.

I think you may find you've set the price a little high though.

Matthew

[nickr100]

hi matthew,

the price that we have come to is really the best we can do for now due to the costs involved with the CNC'ing time. this first 20 kits is the pre-production batch.

cheers

nick

[leccyflyer]

Gents

On request I've merged the threee separate threads that were started in three different forums and moved the merged thread to Product Announcements.

Our forum posting guidelines allow advertisements of this type provided that they are not duplicated in multiple forums or repeated within seven days.

Brian

[Don Sims]

All three threads are merged together now. Messy, but hopefully you can figure out what's going on!! Now onnnn with the thread!!
Don

[NoamN]

wing span? length?
also, how difficult will it be to build? manual included?

[thechosen1one]

I am pretty sure I will take one when available
Andy

[Mindblade]

Any plans for an F-14? I'd love a decent parkflyer F-14 but I can't seem to find any.

[Kev71H]

Yes.......F-14 is in its testing state....

F-14 will be a speed 300 or 400 (or brushless)

Sweeping wings "in flight" also. This is just to satisfy your curiosity.

The website is not up yet..and won't be for a little while.

offering:


Pusher jets= F-15, F-14, F-18, *F-20

3D machines= 1 bi plane, 1 mono plane

I'm super excited about the pusher jets. once again. In testing here in California USA.

Note: These are not the scale appearance as Nick's F-15 beauty. BUT nonetheless just as cool looking a few feet away. Price will range from 45 dollars to 79 dollars. Instructions Included.

The bigger F-18 will have the option of AP .090 glow.

*= on the drawing board

[nickr100]

NoamN, span 24" a very basic manual, mainly pictures is include with the pre-production kit

thechosen1one, pre production kits should be available within 3 weeks.

Mindblade, we havent got any plans to do a '14 at the moment but its a good possibility. we has 5 jets we're working on.

[mjblack]

I would like to thank Nickr100 as i am the CNC guy who makes the kits for NJR modeling and Green Air Designs, as far as i know we are the only company that pesently makes the F-15 , f-18 , su-27 mig29 and others from depron, not sure what kev71h is on about but this thread is about our depron models and yes we do have a f-14 in the wings but no plans to produce it for a while.I would like to thank every body for their interest and nickr100 will handle all responses, thank you again and best regards for the new year

Micheal J Black

[Trikster]

Me thinks that the merging caught more than one designer in its net...

[nickr100]

as MJ say he is the CNC guy and the main designer. i started this thread to see is people would be interested in our designs and to see if people wanted kits. we are not trying to compete with anyone, we are just trying to make fun fling planes that everyone can enjoy. to be honest i dont know why kev71h made his comments here instead of starting his own thread.

cheers

nick

[Kev71H]

Nick,

My comments started on this thread were comments of compliments. Also comments of similarity in intrests.

By no means did I mean to step on anyones toes. I was impressed by your design and gave you a compliment on it. I did refer to my plans also on some things. My appoligies. On a second thought I should not have have commented I was just excited on how things were going for my planes also, guess it just got the best of me so I commented.

Once again, nice plane and best to you in all things.


Kevin Hicks
San Jose , CA

[nickr100]

dont worry about it these things happen :)

cheers

nick

[nickr100]

hi all just to let you all know, we shold have kits ready within 3 weeks. we are also jooking for a distributor in the U.S. for these kits. if anyone is interested please email me info@manic-models.co.uk

cheers

nick

[gmena]

Looks great, make it a kit I'll buy it.

[mjblack]

Hi all , CNC guy here again, and would like to thank every body for all their interest, especialy nick for getting this post started, appolagies to kev71h as i think i may have jumped the gun a little, sorry friend. Please all you out there interested please visit out site at www.rcelectricflight.com.

Best regards and looking fwd to receiving your orders.

Micheal J Black (Green Air Designs)

[Trikster]

You have an extra period in there...

Here is the link: http://www.rcelectricflight.com/

[mjblack]

Hi all, finaly got some flying pics for ya...




www.rcelectricflight.com

Micheal j black

[mjblack]

and another!!

[mjblack]

High alfa low speed pass anyone??? lol

[An-Lone]

Just wondering if the F-15 can be converted into a EDF? I've always wanted to have a F-15 edf that could fly like the Flying Styro F-16.

Andy

[mjblack]

Hi An-alone, yeah the Mk1 f-15 i designed was edf for vasa55 and flew very well, but not quite fast enough for me, wanted a little grey streek if you know what i mean...so i converted it to pusher, but it will be just as fast as the flying styroand then some if you use brushless., if you are interested in conversion please drop me a line.

Best regards.

Mike.

michealjblack@hotmail.com

[An-Lone]

Hi Mike,

I believe I have just received an e-mail from you about how I can convert the F-15 into an EDF. Do you think you will have picture constructions later (like the picture construction of the Flying Styro F-16 in Hobby-Lobby website)?

By the way, I am planning to use Li-Po for my Razor RZ-300 w/ Micro Fan. I am soon starting to build my FS F-16, still waiting for the Micro Fan from the mail. Now I don't know what I should do after seeing your F-15!! I really like it!! Infact, the reason I bought my F-16 was because I couldn't find any depron F-15 on the market until now...:( If you will provide a detail contruction for edf in the F-15 kit, I am surely will buy one!!!;) Man!! There are so many planes I want to get, yet I haven't even start building the one I have on hand!!:D

Andy

[nickr100]

hi all,

mike and myself have been chatting and we cant figure something out. there has been a lot of positive vibes coming from this thread but not many sales. are the kits priced too high???

cheers

nick

[mjblack]

AN-lone, sorry to take so long with reply, yes of course we will just need to fit every thing in, time is a preciouse comodety please stay in touch, and we will sort it for you.

regards.

Mike

[An-Lone]

Originally posted by nickr100
hi all,

mike and myself have been chatting and we cant figure something out. there has been a lot of positive vibes coming from this thread but not many sales. are the kits priced too high???

cheers

nick

Hi Nick,

Other than the pricing, I think part of the reason is because your kit is still new and no flying report is available at the time, that's why people are hesitating on buying. If you have video posting of the flight performance on both pusher prop and ducted fan settings and may be pictures of how you setup the electronics or even a detailed flying report may definately help boost the sales. By the way, this is just my opinion.:D Good luck!

Andy:)

[thechosen1one]

I would have to second that opinion. I am not sure what the shipping on a 75.00 depron kit to the states would be either
Andy

[mjblack]

Hi all, thank you, im no marketing guru,will do the reports, and nick isdoingthe convertion from vid to mpg so hopefully we willhave some vids real soon. Also shipping to usa $20 for F-15.

Right i will get on with making more details on the web site.

Thank again, for you advice.

Best regards,

Mike.

[mjblack]

also appolagies,i thinkmy spacebar onmy keyboard just failed...lol


mike.

[jandirks]

Mike,

Maybe you should sell some to beta testers for an attractive price. Good reviews will boost your sellings for sure!

Good luck, you have interesting products!

Jan-Dirk

[mjblack]

ok jan dirk, good plan, im willing to give it a try, what do you think, is a fair price, bearing everything in mind, we have to return £35.00 to cover model,

you advice it gratefullu accepted.

thanks again.

best regards,

Mike.

[jandirks]

Mike,

I am sure that some experienced builder/flyers here would love to try your plane. In return they should place a building and flying report here.

Let people know what to expect before you ship them out. Tell them how much time they have to invest to build the plane. They also want to know what they need to complete the plane (receiver, esc, servo's.....). Also let them know wat performance they should expect from the plane. If someone expects jet performance and gets slowflyer performance then their report will not be what you want it to be. Make sure everything is clear to them.

Be sure to get around 5 qualified people. Give them the planes for free or sell them at cost of depron. They will be advertising for you and advertising costs money.

I am sure that many here are interested if the reports are good.

Jan-Dirk

[mjblack]

dear jan,

i think you could be right, in the enthusiasm of releasing a kiti may have missed the obvious, if you feel you are one of the qualified ones then i am more than will to do this, fro you and say 3 others, you have taken the time to talk to me , and help green air design and the least i can do is to repay teh favour, but i im only will to do this in private message as this is bewteen you and me, if anyones else is interested in beta testing then please send me a message.

best regards adn looking forward to talking soon

Mike

[jandirks]

Mike,

How would you describe the plane? Is it designed for speed or is it slow? I think this is important to know for the testers.

Jan-Dirk

Ps. You have a PM!

[mjblack]

Jan

These arer designed for 480 BB or brushless pusher prop. We use hacker B40 15S with 8 x rc 1600 4/5 SC with a 6.3 x 4 APC prop. This gives 5 min's at about 80 mph. So speed for us is very important. We have used Vasa 55 fan unit with model motors AC 121516 but it had the performance of a park flier. Not what we are looking for. We are about to scale it up for a Vasa 65 we know this will work. 300 brushless motors we have tried arent man enough for the 55 Vasa unit.

Hope this has helped.

Mike

[An-Lone]

Hi Mike,

I am not looking for speed as I am still very much a beginner in flying a electric jet. That's why I really don't mind buying the kit for my Micro Fan and RZ-300 brushless motor. However, as you mentioned before, the F-15 flys like a park flier with the AC brushless motor and Vasa 55, I am just wondering how fast it could fly and is it stable enough to handle by a beginner when the kit is using ducted fan system? I am REALLY looking forward to see more reviews of the kit and hope I can buy one of your kit for myself soon!! Thanks!

Andy:p

[mjblack]

Hi andy, thankyou, these little baby are good for both ends of the fligth envelope, see this is where myself and my partner in busines, had a disagreement, when i flew the f-15 on the vasa i thought it was ok, he though it was lame because all ourplanes are real fast..but i thought it was fun..relaxed easy flying!

as far as stable goes its the F-15`s middle name, the only time it gets a bit hairy is when your flat out (100+mph) with rates out!, then i t can perform outraguos manouvers!..too much for me, i likem fast but not that fast! grey streak across the sky adn my eyesight isnt what it used to be! lol

So the plane is very stable at high speed and low as in true DELTA tradition!

thanks again Andy and looking forward to sending you first!

best regards,

Mike.

[shzaz28]

I would like to get one as well but as already stated on this thread, cost. Please PM and let me know I could get ahold of one at a reasonable price. I think they might go over very well, from what I've read, in my area.

[mjblack]

hi, shazaz will pm to you in a bit.

also just got the flying vids and uploading tonight, so please go have a look.

best regards.

mike.

www.rcelectricflight.com

[mjblack]

Vids now uploaded, please go and have a look, and let me knw what you all think.

best regards.

mike.