New BattleStar Galactica series...

[KMKAZE]

I missed the pilot and havnt seen any episodes yet.

Is it just me or is the series going to suck? I mean Boomer's a chick, Starbucks a chick, cylons are chicks, etc... The whole thing's been redone.

I just hope they didnt screw it up THAT bad...

Opinions?

[hemna]

If you were hoping for a remake that was 100% true to the original series, then you won't like it.

I saw both nights and it was pretty good. I guess they will be making a regular series out of it now?

[Highflight]

Originally posted by KMKAZE
I missed the pilot and havnt seen any episodes yet.

Is it just me or is the series going to suck? I mean Boomer's a chick, Starbucks a chick, cylons are chicks, etc... The whole thing's been redone.

I just hope they didnt screw it up THAT bad...

Opinions?

Welcome to the "New" and "Improved" Politically Correct 21st Century!
And what better way to celebrate PCness than to replace a slew of characters, that had already been established as men, with women?

Any bets that they'll work in a gay theme somewhere by the middle of the first season?

Highflight

[Megatron]

Two words: It sucks!

The new series is a "re-imagination" of the original. As you've heard or read, some of the changes include a female Starbuck, female Lt. Boomer, and SOME Cylon models look human....

Now I actually have no problem with most of the changes they've made but the script is poorly executed. The acting is wooden, most of the cast seem almost as robotic as the Cylons themselves.

There are NO SCENES of the other Battlestars being destroyed, no scene of the Atlantia (flagship) being destroyed like in the original. There are NO SCENES of Cylon ships attacking the colonies, only nuclear detonations implying that there are Cylons around... SOMEWHERE. In fact I don't think I even saw more than 2 Cylon raiders in the entire Part I.... The space battle scenes (when finally shown) are curiously sterile and antiseptic. As a result, this new version lacks the grand epic feel that made the original a cult classic.

This new version has been dubbed "Galactica 90210" or "Galactica Light" but is actually closer to that terrible "Wing Commander" movie from a few years ago.

Verdict: The script even with it's controversial elements truly had potential, but like in so many TV and movie productions, squandered whatever potential it had. 2 stars out of 5 (2/5)

P.s. The 2-part 4 hour production is suppose to "sell" the idea of a series. Will it sell? Hope not.

[Highflight]

2 stars out of 5?
I think you're being way too kind.

Highflight

[Gman2]

It doesnt have Erin Gray. Pass

[Tim Jonas]

Originally posted by Gman2
It doesnt have Erin Gray. Pass


concur!

[Megatron]

Erin gray ya wants, Erin gray ya shall have!

From the internet:

[ex-racr]

Mootsie agreeing with Gman??

Hey look.....4 horsemen...and there's Jesus coming down on a cloud!

:D :D :D :D
A gambling, brawling cigar smoking female Starbuck just doesn't cut it.

For us It's Erin Gray, for my wife it's Richard Hatch!;)
Terry

[Steven DiStasio]

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I actually liked this show.

I was a big fan of the original, so I wasn't sure what to expect when heard about this re-make, but I was pleasantly suprised. Sure, there were a few parts that were too "90210" for me, but overall I thought it was nicly done.

I particularly liked the space battle scenes where they would would go between very long shots, zoom in tighter on a ship, then zoom back out again...gave a real sence of scale and size IMHO.

I also liked the fact that the Cylon ship was a pilotless intelligent machine...it always buged me in the original that it took 3 Cylons to fly a ship....why not just make the ship a Cylon itself, then there's no ned for a pilot.

I don't have a problem switching some of the characters to women, particularly Boomer....Hubba-Hubba ;) . I Didn't care for Starbuck though.

There were quite a few story points I would have changed given the chance, but overall, I'd say it was a good job.

[logan5]

Well, I liked it ...

Logan5

[hemna]

yah I liked it as well. The Blonde cylon chick is hot. I could watch her all night. The space scenes were very good in my opinion. Finally someone getting a clue that you can't actually hear anything in space. The camera shots in the space scenes were good because they show the point of how difficult it is to see things in space, especially when they are far away.

[logan5]

I thought they got the physics of space flight/combat pretty good.

Logan5

[hemna]

yah I thought so as well. Didn't see any huge explosions with a lot of fire, while theoretically possible for a very short time period after the detonation, but highly improbable. There wouldn't be enough oxygen to sustain fire in space for any length of time.

[Buran]

I Liked It.
I agree with the comments regarding space flight. I especially appreciated the use of thrusters to change the orientation/attitude of the spacecraft. I hate it when I see spacecraft rolling and banking like their flying in an atmosphere.

I was in my early twenties when BG came out and didn’t watch it much. I remember liking the special effects and hating the characters and stories. These people were so corny I found myself rooting for the Cylons. The new BG isn’t nearly as corny and I don’t mind some of the characters being changed to female. I also like that Col. Tigh is an insecure lush; cool. He made the tough decision though.

I have a question. Are these two episodes it? Or is more coming. I also understand there might be a series. I hope so. Wonder if Almos will be in the series.

[Doc Data]

The mini-series is 2 episodes and that's all. The last scene of episode 2 left it open to move on to a series. I hope they do because I liked it... a lot!

Women as pilots? why not. We have them today! The idea that only men can be warriors is a throw back. Given this is a more advanced society, female pilots makes sense.

I liked the redesign on the Centurions... better looking than the old chrome plated cans. The Cylon ships being Cylons themselves was a smart move as well. I also like the demonstration of emotion that #6 often displayed. Looks like human emotions sneaked in during the design phase of these more advances Cylons. Should be quite something when Boomer 'comes out of the closet' given she's in love with the Chief!

The cast reflects a huge shade of gray rather than only black vs white / good vs bad the original series offered.

My biggest worry is about the cast. If they move on to a series and recast it with others, will it be as good or just fade away?

Dave

[Buran]

My take on #6 is a little different. I don’t think her display of emotion was real. I think she was exploiting Boltars emotions to the max. Given Boltars personality, what better way to do it. I see boomer doing the same thing. One of our biggest weaknesses is right between the legs.

Another question. When #6 woke Boltar and his friend up in his bedroom, was his friend the same model as boomer? I know she was Asian, but was she a cylon.

[lrsudog]

I was a big fan of the original, but face it, it doesn't hold up with time.

This was much better. The CGI was top notch, the backstory more believable, the physics actually plausible.

The first version had one note characters, and a lame Bad V. Good simplistic universe. Pretty fracking stupid if one is over 19 years old.

Give me complex characters with ambiguous intentions any day. That's human drama.

A friend of a friend cut the sound, and from what she said, the mini series was meant to stand alone, but they will pay attention to the numbers, so maybe...

[Buran]

"A friend of a friend cut the sound, and from what she said, the mini series was meant to stand alone, but they will pay attention to the numbers, so maybe..."

I noticed commercials for BG xbox and PS games. I'm sure there will be toys and action figures, books, posters, etc. If they went to that extent thay must have a series in mind.

[lrsudog]

Not according to the director, the Picture Editor, or the Sound Supervisor. As I said, Sci Fi said that they would be watching the ratings, but there are no plans at this time to produce a series. The sets were struck, the writers & Ronald Moore are on to other projects. None of the actors were optioned.


If the #s are there though, it would be nice to see.

BTW, the Xbox & PS2 game revolve around Adama's early career, and not this era.

[lakedude]

I liked it quite a little bit. True some of the acting isn't perfect (wooden) and it lacks a certain polish but over all it is pretty good. Many times when a series is brand new the actors are a little stiff, but with time they get better. I'm hoping this is one of those times.

If they had some prissy chick as a pilot I would call foul but that actress that plays Starbuck is pretty sturdy. No complaints here.

I like the Cylons having several forms and I love what they did with Baltar. He is creepy in a wonderful new understandable way. The old Baltar didn't add up. The new one is much better.

No need to mention that I'd crawl naked thru 10 miles of broken glass and rusty nails for the Cy-vixen. "You mean all I have to do is kill everybody else in the world and we can be together? Done!"

[Mitch G]

Although I never cared for the original series, I really enjoyed the two episodes so far. I think the direction is quite good and it had some intensely dramatic scenes that really got under my skin.

I hope it does go into series mode. It would be a nice change from Enterprise - which as much as I want to like it, I'm just not getting into it like I did TNG.



Mitch

[radix2]

Originally posted by lakedude
No need to mention that I'd crawl naked thru 10 miles of broken glass and rusty nails for the Cy-vixen. "You mean all I have to do is kill everybody else in the world and we can be together? Done!"

Sick, but honest...:eek:

ms Helfer also has a spread in Maxim magazine this month that you may wish to sample... :cool:

couple things,

1. why have everyone act so cool as the world literally ends ? or in their case 12 worlds ?

2. Baltar needlessly frames up a guy to point out the Cylon technology, then it turns out the guy really is a Cylon ? Huh ? what was the point of this ? He already said he was hangin with the Clylons and felt guilty helping them, could have said he saw a similar object at that time, so what.

[DaveG]

Battlestar Galactica? I thought we were discussing Erin Gray. Know how Homer Simpson says "dooooouuuughhhnuttttttts....?"

Errrrrrrrinnnnn Grrrrrrraaayyyyy.....!!!

I always thought the babe that played the high ranking female lizard in the TV miniseries V was pretty hot, too.

[omega blood]

It was OK. I would rather have the characters changed back to males. A female starbuck smoking cigars looks retarded. There was also too much of the usteady camera zoom in/out type thing. I also agree with the points megatron made.

[Bob HSG]

I don't care one way or another about the changes from the original.

But what I do mind is boredom, and that's what this show evoked in me. I wanted to like it. I tried to like it. At 10:10 pm (i.e., 70 minutes in) I gave up!

[Aaron13]

My dad likes Battlestar as much as he likes Stargate SG-1, and he really likes SG-1.

[The Other Dave]

I just can't bring myself to watch it as I don't think I
can handle a female Starbuck.

PC or no PC Starbucks character should be a man.

But every time I start to delete it from the Tivo a voice says
in the back of my head. "Just watch it it might be good".

[ex-racr]

I prefer things to remain true to the original. This is too great a departure for me.
Speaking of Erin Gray and Buck Rogers, That series was really cheesy (yes I watched it).
I like complexity and drama as much as anyone. Absolutely loved Star Trek DS-9.
I had to change the channel when Adama gave a speech about defending freedom (rather Bush-like) and then started in with how people still murder, are greedy, etc.
:rolleyes:

[Bob HSG]

It's so good to see someone else liked DS-9. I much preferred it to Voyager (To boldy go where everyone else had sense to avoid)!

Chakote: Look, Captain! There's an anomaly that's screwing up all our instruments, plus there's a warning buoy.

Janeway: Let's see how close we can get!

[ex-racr]

At some point DS-9 will be on my present wish list. I've recently seen ads for it on DVD. It is by far the most honest Trek series regarding human/humanoid (???) nature. None of this "we've evolved" non-sense.
I don't know about any one else, but if I'm being shot at, I'm shooting back. None of this "let's work things out diplomatically" nonsense.

We now return to the topic at hand....

[Megatron]

Originally posted by DaveG

I always thought the babe that played the high ranking female lizard in the TV miniseries V was pretty hot, too.

Ahhh yes, another classic...

Jane Badler as alien lizard Diana

[The Other Dave]

I watched it last night after I through my back out
and coudn't sleep. So I watched both epesodes back to back.

Warning spoilers in this post.

Here is what is cool.

1. Good cgi.
2. Baltar plays a messed up character well. I loved when the dude he just picked out to be a Cylon turned out to actually be one.
3. Liked both the Mark 2 and mark 7 vipers looks.
4. Cylon ships.
5. Brought the human element out much better than the original.
Who here didn't have a tear when the little girl is on the botannical ship as the cylons are about to blow them to atoms.
6. #6 in the red dress (drool).
7. The new "president" I think that they handled it in a clever way.
8. The thrusters on the ships.
9. The detail when a ship was blown up was nice. I really liked the body's flying through space.

Here is what is questionable.
1. In the original series there were only 12 battlestars and the Galactica wasn't the broken down scrap heap one. In this one they talk about more than 30 being destroyed.
2. Starbuck as a woman.
3. Boomer being a cylon, come on.
4. The sex aspect was a little overdone in my opinion.
5. The new president's cancer. Could have done without it myself.
6. Colonel Tie's alcoholism. If Adama was the great military commander he is made up to be he would have canned that guy long ago.

Here is what should have ended on the cutting room floor.
1. SOUNDTRACK. Especially when the dialog (important in my opinion) was drowned out by it because it was too loud. I found myself rewinding to get the gist of things. This is inexcusable.
2. Ships that are flying along at high speed doing what amounted to small loops around enemy ships. Can you say squashed like jelly. You can argue antigrav. Well then why are they pushed back in the seat on launch.
3. The battle scenes were sketchy. I was hoping for great epic battles. What I got was lots of lead in and out but not much substance.
4. The formations shown when entering into battle would make the ships sitting ducks.
5. The lasers/bullets whatever. Are these advanced ships or was that tracer fire from an M60.
6. SOUNDTRACK.
7. I would think that any advanced race would have a better morgue than a hanger floor.
8. SOUNDTRACK.
9. Video work where the would spin around 2 people having a conversation. Like the "poker" scene at the beginning. Iritating and detracting. Once would be ok but they did it all through the shows.
10. The CHIEF mechanic. Is he a viper tech, ship tech, control room tech or whiny wimp. Actually hes all 4. This wore thin.
11. SOUNDTRACK
12. If they were going to use Adama's old viper for the ceremony why would they send it to cover the transport. Park that old piece and get a new ship out there. I know this would ruin the old ship being imune to the cylons transmissions stuff but seriously.
13. SOUNDTRACK

Well enough for now.

Overall I give it 2 out of 5 stars or 1 thumb up or whatever.
Better than CSI miami but could have been so much better.

[urs]

Hi
why on earth would any one make a new vertion of a crappy old sci-fi series. The original was absolute crap not even good for kids.It was so booring. They couldnt do any worst could they?????
they can
urs sci fi lover....of the good stuff...:o

[The Other Dave]

urs

What do you consider "good" stuff.

Thanks,

david

[lrsudog]

A) PDA's are a part of human existance. I think it would be odd Not to have adult situations in a movie about adults.

B) Women are fighter pilots now. They are also capable being friends with men. Some are even tough. My Business partner even smokes cigars.

C) Anti gravity was presupposed. Like on Star Trek & Star Wars, sharp, high G mvmts took a milisecond to compensate for.

D) I liked the music (I assume this is the "Soundtrack" you commented on) Worked well for me.

E) They explaned that the Galactica was the last of the original twelve Battlestars. The newer ones (and the newer Vipers) were easy pickens because of the acceptancve of networked computers in them.

F) Didn't understand the Cancer thing either.

G) I knew several Alcoholic officers (and more enlisted) when I was in the Military. Under some exceptional commanders.

H) There is no "Morgue" on a current navy vessel. Wasted space. I took the shrouded bodys to be awaiting burial honors, just like all the Flag draped coffins in the aircraft hangers during Vietnam etc...

And URS (Who seems to only speak in the third person), they did it because, surprise, yours is not the only viewpoint on Earth.

[DaveG]

Originally posted by Megatron
Ahhh yes, another classic...

Jane Badler as alien lizard Diana

Hubba, Hubba! Hmmmm... not bad for a female lizard.;) May need to start another thread entitled "Who's the hottest Sci-Fi Babe?"

[Bob HSG]

Sigourney Weaver!

[harbinger1]

I'll vote for Sigourney!!! Lt Ripley!

As for the acting, I thought the new crew did a better job than the orignal cast....( I know a few female fighter/transport pilots that are a lot like the new Starbuck)..... I have different likes and dislikes about the orignial BSG AND the new BSG. IMHO it was a lot better than most of the stuff on the other networks and a lot better than some of the stuff in theatres now.

[lakedude]

"Who's the hottest Sci-Fi Babe?"

Dax - Terry Farrel

[harbinger1]

Chiana-Gigi Edgley from Farscape

[Daren]

Originally posted by harbinger1
Chiana-Gigi Edgley from Farscape No way. Claudia Black rules! Humina, humina! :cool:

I liked it, mostly. I thought the audio was muddy; hard to understand the dialog in several scenes. This is a technical issue, not an artistic one.

Daren

[urs]

Quatermass series
nuff said
urs :o

[Megatron]

Natalie Portman (Queen Amidala)!

[Fitz Walker]

I pretty much agree with Megatron. While I liked the darker tones, more complicated characters, and more realistic battle scenes I didn't quite find it as entertaining as the somewhat cheezy, simplified original. It was if they had used 4 hours to film 2 hours worth of material. 4 hours, and we didn't see Adama's other son's death, the destruction of the Colonial fleet, or even really the destruction on the slower than light refugee fleet. These were high drama moments, what happened. Not even a single Cylon robot blasted.

I'm also not so enthralled with the characters. I think Col. Teigh and Starbuck's were massacred. The female Starbuck was just wrong. I usually like plot twists, but what they did to Boomer (one of the few changes I liked), I did not like.

I would have preferred they had done a prequal (i.e. the first Cylon war) or a sequel; both with new characters.

However, it has been reported that the ratings were extreemely good for Sci-Fi. The numbers beating networks like UPN and ranking as their #3 miniseries after Dune and Taken.

[Buran]

Oh, common guys. Everyone knows 7 of 9 is the hotty-totty of sci-fi.:D

[lrsudog]

Gotta go with Lakedude & Daren on this one. Terry Farrell & Claudia Black. Must add Jolene Blalock. Even with the Vulcan wig, she's got it goin' on.

BTW, Claudia Black would have made a good Starbuck, if she lost the accent.

I liked seven of nine, until I saw Geri Ryan on Leno. Man, that is a woman that can run her mouth. And she divorced her rich banker husband the minute she had a hit series. Instant turn off.

[The Other Dave]

I will say that after 24 hours and some sleep (good drugs for my back) I will raise my raiting to 3 of 5 stars.

A series would be ok but it would seem like they would be rehashing to much old ground.

I still will say that I would much rather them bring back Farscape.

I am not against Female fighter pilots. I new a couple when I was in the Air Guard. Definitely good pilots and not as much of ego maniacs as their male counterparts.

I am just against Starbuck being a woman. I guess the original series is just inburned into my brain.

Sci-fi hotty list.


1. T'pal (enterprise)
2. Chiana (Farscape)
3. Trinity (Matrix)
4. 7 of 9 (voyager)
5. Judy Robinson (lost in space movie)
6. Aeryn (Farscape)

[RookieOne]

C'mon guys!!! Everyone knows hottest sci-fi babes are Ewok females!!!

[RookieOne]

Forget Ewoks, I was kidding.

What about Kristanna Loken???

[Buran]

"C'mon guys!!! Everyone knows hottest sci-fi babes are Ewok females!!!"

How can you tell the difference?

[KMKAZE]

The chick that played penny robinson in the Lost in Space movie is pretty hot...and probably 18 by now ;)

[lrsudog]

Originally posted by KMKAZE
The chick that played penny robinson in the Lost in Space movie is pretty hot...and probably 18 by now ;)

Lacey Chaubert, She's at least twenty-one now.


How come I have the feeling that you are anxiously awaiting the Olsen twins 18th?

[Megatron]

The original is cuter...Angela Cartwright playing Penny Robinson in the 60s series.

[lrsudog]

Cuter? She looks like Howdy Doody.

Oh wait, that's the other one.

She is "Sixties" cute alright, but I have to give KMKAZE his props; Lacey is "21st Century" Cute;

[lrsudog]

'Course Angela looks pretty good these days too;

[Aaron13]

I miss Voyager. wish it wasnt cancelled. Enterprise is crap.

as for the hotness scale. Xev from Lexx. Oh yeah.

[Aaron13]

oh yeah. hot. hot hooot!

[lakedude]

You like Xenia Seeberg or Eva Habermann better?

[lakedude]

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Edited by Brian Cullen on Dec 13, 2003 at 7:22AM

[lakedude]

Chiana is very sexy but I don't find Gigi's stills at all attractive. Not sure exacty why?? The actress is very tiny and strange looking IMO but Chiana is a total sexpot on the show.

[Aaron13]

is it wierd that ive never heard the word sexpot

[Aaron13]

on and if anyone wants a cheap rc helocopter theres a full function one with a gws radio at toyeast for $220.

http://www.toyeast.com/subcatlist2.asp?catid=1144

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Edited by Brian Cullen on Dec 13, 2003 at 7:25AM

[lakedude]

Ok I finally caught all of the second show. I'm confused about a few things. Who left the note about there only being 12 models of cylon and why? Do you think that the PR cy-guy was off loaded on purpose by the cy-vixen (#6) so that he could be picked up for more information?

[The Other Dave]

lakedude,

I think you may be right. But I think she wanted them off the ship
so that Baltar couldn't be suspected.

[Steven DiStasio]

I assumed it was Baltar that left the message about 12 types of Cylons. I chalked it up to his own self interest in surviving, and whatever sense of obligation he may still feel for humanity.

I think the PR guy wasn't picked by the Cylon chick...rather Baltar was just looking for a scapegoat so he could point to that Cylon device without making himself look guilty of anything. I assumed he just used him because he was an easy target...only by coincidence did he turn out to actually be a Cylon.

My question is...what the heck was a single Cylon doing on the space station by himself? Was he waiting for the humans? If so, what did a single Cylon hope to accomplish?!?! If they suspected survivors would go there, why not have a whole fleet waiting BEFORE the humans went into the storm?

Also, are the Cylons modeled after existing humans? If so, maybe Boomer really isn't a Cylon, just a template so to speak. Or maybe she was captured at some point in the past...used as a template for one of the 12 models and killed, and then a Cylon sent back in her place. That's really the only explanation I can think of.

If all else fails, the Cylons can always make a killing selling fem-bots to all the lonley spaceship crews. ;)

[lakedude]

Also, are the Cylons modeled after existing humans? If so, maybe Boomer really isn't a Cylon, just a template so to speak. Or maybe she was captured at some point in the past...used as a template for one of the 12 models and killed, and then a Cylon sent back in her place. That's really the only explanation I can think of. Maybe except the timing of the Boomer model cylon at the very end saying something about "oh, we WILL find them". Seems very ominous.

I now wonder if the series would be any good cause in order to be good they will hafta be fightin cylons but the seem both too week to fight much more and also hard to find for the cylons.

I assumed he just used him because he was an easy target...only by coincidence did he turn out to actually be a Cylon. Yeah me too. Do you think Baltar actually screened anyone or did he just dry-lab some fake results?

[Megatron]

If they make a series, it will flop. Then it will come back as "Galactica 2005" -which will flop also.

Then 25 yahrens later (2030), it will be remade again. This time in the interest of political correctness, the following changes will be incorporated into the new series:

1. Cmdr Adama is gay....

2. Col. Tigh is gay and is Adama's lover...

3. Apollo is straight but "confused"...

4. Baltar is gay and is seduced by a gay Cylon (yes, robots can be gay too).

5. Little boy Boxy is shown playing with barbie dolls...

6. Boxy's robotic pet now bears a striking resemblance to Tinky-Winky (of Teletubbies).

7. And finally, to satisfy fans of both genders, Starbuck is now a hermaphrodite...

LOL!!

[Bob HSG]

Methinks thou dost protesteth too much!