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surfimp
Dec 07, 2003, 06:53 PM
For a while now I've been kicking around the idea of building a relatively lightweight Coroplast sloper that can be flown in something less than a gale force wind. The problem with most Coro sloper designs (i.e. Mugi, Dazi, etc.) besides not having "real" airfoils is that they are quite heavy for their size as compared to an EPP or balsa plane, and consequently require pretty strong wind to fly (i.e 15mph or more at a decent slope). However Coro is cheap and planes are quite easy to build from it, and they're fun experiments.

So, towards that end I've been thinking about trying out a single surface/Jedelsky sort of wing on a tailless plank. The wing itself would be made from 2mm Coro and probably be around 36" to 48" in span. There would be a central fuselage pod folded from 2mm Coro that would serve to hold the radio gear and provide the central rib shape to the wing (it would be hotglued to the bottom of the wing). Would also serve to mount the single center fin. I'd put two more battens hotglued to the underside of the wing at the wingtips, and possibly a third batten in the middle of each half span (probably only if I built it 48"). The elevons would be controlled by two servos set in the top of the wing that would run pushrods out at about a 45* angle to the elevons (very draggy but easy to build).

My question is, am I smoking something? I know that single surface airfoils work OK for low speed applications, so it might really not be too hot for a slope glider, as penetration is pretty important. Also, I know it's asking a lot to try to make a single surface airfoil also perform for a tailless design, and then compounded with the whole Coroplast / SPAD deisgn philosophy maybe I'm just suffering delusions? Obviously the only way to test this is to build the thing, but any advice from the wiser and more experienced luminaries would of course be welcome.

Ollie
Dec 07, 2003, 07:50 PM
Single surface airfoils work very well for the coefficient of lift and angle of attack they are designed for. Their limitation is that when operated much below the design angle of attack the flow seperats on the whole lower surface and the drag goes way up. Particularly if the airfoil has a lot of camber for a high maximum lift coefficient for a low stalling speed.

Sparky Paul
Dec 07, 2003, 08:05 PM
I've done these with 1/4" foam board.
The planes with "camber" in the form of leading edge droop performed quite well.
The flat ones were miserable failures.
The two in front were made from a single sheet of 30"x40" board. The Delta used the center portion, the wing used what was left over.
Both flew well.
The delta would outclimb a similarly sized foam delta (Larry Renger "Foam Fatale").
Coroplast being heavier might not be a good choice. Performance of the foam board planes wasn't spectacular, but OK for contact combat.

surfimp
Dec 07, 2003, 08:07 PM
Thanks Ollie, I'm thinking something with a pretty flat camber, and am mostly considering a single surface airfoil for weight reasons as opposed to efficiency reasons, given the type of material I've limited myself to working with (Coro). I know this is a totally bass-ackwards way of designing a plane but it's fun all the same. If I undestood it correctly, your explanation described very well the reason why the single surface airfoils don't works so well at higher speeds (lower angle of attack) than what they're designed for. I guess it will have to just be a trial-and-error sort of thing.

I did make a mini free flight model out of card paper just for fun. Flew fine once balanced correctly:

surfimp
Dec 07, 2003, 08:10 PM
Thanks Sparky! I agree about the problems with Coro as it's quite heavy. At this point I'm hoping there's a happy medium between the strength of the material, the weight, and the performance. I'm thinking to try 36" to 40" for the first go-out, with aobut a 10" chord, and then either enlarge or shrink depending on the results. Thanks for your input, that's exactly what I was hoping for!

surfimp
Dec 11, 2003, 09:53 PM
Just wanted to say that I ended up building a SPAD sloper for light air conditions, but went with a conventional design instead of the tailless. Kept the single surface kinked airfoil idea though, and scaled it down to a 24" wingspan. It flew great, much better than I expected. I've got a thread about it here:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=177365

A couple of pictures:

http://stevelange.net/images/micro_slope_stik/micro_slope_stik.jpg

http://stevelange.net/images/micro_slope_stik/slope_stik_flight.jpg