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CactusJackSlade
Dec 06, 2003, 07:58 PM
Yahooooo!

It flys... and flys well in the flying wing/fin&rudder configuration, MUCH better than trying to use a V tail for pitch control. The pitch stability problem seems to have vanished in the flyinf wing set-up.

Ollie - you were right. The CG was significantly forward from where it was when using a rear elevator set-up.. On my first flight I had a few degrees reflex and I couldn't keep the nose down. If I simply reduced the reflex it became pitch twitchy (tail heavy). So I added some nose weight and added back the reflex.

It now flys very well and the rudder is an absolute hoot. When I mix in a little rudder there is no adverse yaw issues when starting a turn... PERIOD! I anticipate some pretty cool manuvers using the rudder once I get dialed in!

This is a THICK airfoil and it should be a real floater. It was really a slope day and the penetration on this bird is not to hot. Also I did not make a real heavy spar system in this wing so ballasting it would probably destroy it in a high G turn... So slope only on the light slope/thermal days I think.

I only flew for about 10 minutes but i will fly again soon. I want to work more on the CG/reflex relationship to get even better stability and handling.

Oh, the croww mixing even worked pretty well and once I get the proportions of up aileron and down flap dialed in this will be a very cool feature! As I had it set up I could go about 2/3 of the spoiler stick and still be in good control with noticable slowing of the wing. More than 2/3 stick and it wanted to pitch down... so I need to reduce the proportion of flaps and increase the proportion of up aileron.

I wonder what the birds will think...

Here are some first flight photos.

CactusJackSlade
Dec 06, 2003, 07:59 PM
At first glance you might think a hawk is dive bombing my buddy!??

CactusJackSlade
Dec 06, 2003, 08:00 PM
Coordinated turns...

CactusJackSlade
Dec 06, 2003, 08:04 PM
All's well that ends well.

It was windy enough so I didn't even use the crow mixing for landing and I still ended up behind the hill...

Nice doggy DON'T FETCH!


:D

I'll post all the technical info later on my website:

http://www.foaminfusion.com


CJS

CactusJackSlade
Dec 07, 2003, 10:09 PM
Today was a better day for flying... OK wind direction, partly cloudy and some thermal activity.

I added just a tad more weight to the nose and that allowed a bit more reflex in the trim (Ugh! my CG calc's were way off for a flying wing set-up , I have a ton of lead in the nose... wings need to be moved back on the fuse!) but finally the handling is great!

It is not an aerobatic sloper, but a smooth EZ flying themal sniffer.

On my first flight I was up for about 15 minutes on marginal "slermal" (slope/thermal) conditions. The slope life was negligable, but the thermals kepp me aloft. At one point I was probably about 400-500 ft above take off.

This allowed me to play around a little. Like I said, this wing is not a zippy flyer, but a gentle giant. It was smooth flying, I did a few slow rolls and loops. All went smooth.

I think this will indeed make a good platform for my wireless video set-up.

I would now call this project a success, although I have too much weight in the nose for my liking.... I think this begs for a 'dactyl shaped head/canard rudder instead of the rear rudder set-up. That would be a hoot! That would also allow me to add an electric motor on the back too! Hummmmmm

Anyway, a few more photos:

CJS

CactusJackSlade
Dec 07, 2003, 10:11 PM
More photos

CactusJackSlade
Dec 07, 2003, 10:12 PM
Photos....

leverick
Dec 07, 2003, 10:45 PM
WOW, looks like a boomer day from the clouds. Plane looks outstanding!!!!

Leverick

DeuceTrinal
Dec 07, 2003, 11:32 PM
Sweet! I want one!!!! Or three even! Get that dactyl head on there an you'll have one of the most unique planes that flies well ever!

CactusJackSlade
Dec 08, 2003, 08:58 PM
Thanks guys,

I think I will probably keep as is for now - heck now I can cover the fuse now that I'm done hacking it up for a while anyway!!

CJS

leverick
Dec 08, 2003, 10:25 PM
Cactus, where are the pictures from, is that the hill by UA in Tuscon or maybe that hill in east Mesa I think of Browns road?

Leverick

CactusJackSlade
Dec 09, 2003, 06:04 AM
Actually it is up here in norther California, east of Sacramento... near Folsom which is just at the foothills of the Sierras.

Unfortunatly the hill is being populated rather rapidly by thes houses that keep multiplying... we'll probably lose this site soon...

:mad:

Oh Well!

:eek:

AZ_Astro
Dec 23, 2003, 12:07 AM
CactusJack:

That's a beautiful bird, CJ. She has real presence in the air and the pictures bring them out well.

Nice big rudder! Betcha that moves her around when needed!

CactusJackSlade
Dec 23, 2003, 05:20 AM
yes,

the rudder is sweet, there is virtually no yaw when initiating turns when I add in a little rudder or just mix it in with the ailerons.

When I build up my Moth 60" it will have a rudder!

CJS

Daemon
Dec 24, 2003, 07:26 PM
The M60 really doesn't need a rudder. *really* ;)
The only time you notice any wobble on the yaw axis is when it's recovering from a stall turn, and with a real rudder you'd have to be flying the heck out of it to try to damp that out. Not worth the added weight behind the CG that you have to balance several times over in the nose, not to mention that there's no place to put a rudder servo. At the speeds the M60 flies, yaw control is just not necessary.

You can build it with the 4 servo wing though. That has some noticeable benefits.

ian

Sparky Paul
Dec 24, 2003, 07:31 PM
If you can locate some stiff transparent plastic sheet, make the vertical from that, and add the 'dactyl head...
Thing looks goooooooood!

CactusJackSlade
Dec 25, 2003, 03:32 AM
Oh,

I didn't mean to imply that the Moth needed a rudder... I just tought it would be fun to have... maybe enable it to do rudder kicks, spins?, etc.

I do think I have a way to install a servo cleanly in front of the CG though.

I do want to be careful though, my buddy just built his up and used a lot of goop on the fuse and CF'd his fin... it added some rearward weight and he REALLY paid "through the nose" in added weight to correct the CG!... like about 4.5 oz on the nose to get the CG! no biggie for slope, but for thermalling... ouch!

CJS