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ewo
Nov 12, 2003, 09:04 PM
Try this at home,
The next time you build an airframe , and before you put any gear in it whatsoever, Even before you cut out the ailerons from the wing pannels,before you cut the elevator from the stab,Before you cut the rudder from the fin!!
Try this
Go ahead and put the wing and stab in ther fuse slots grab the plane by the nose and give it a gentle straight backwards launch
if the moments and incedince are correct it will glide verry Verry well backwards
HUH amazing aint it
i just finished building a 32 " foamtana airframe and was amazed that the thing had a great backwards glide with nothing installed
about 30' through my living room and across my kitchen
:rolleyes:
ewo
Nov 12, 2003, 09:08 PM
I KNow that this is the canard theory , its just wild to see a conventional airplane fly backwards:D
ewo
Nov 15, 2003, 08:59 PM
I cant bielieve no body has responded to this thread or
is it old news?
do all airframes react this way?
I have built around 6 airframes and tried this experiment with all and all but one had an amazing glide the only one that didnt glide was a wing
ewo
Nov 15, 2003, 10:06 PM
Any Body?
Cam Galbraith
Nov 15, 2003, 10:47 PM
That actually works??? Holy...
I'd try it, but probably only on foam...
ewo
Nov 15, 2003, 10:51 PM
i have done it with a 24" and 32 " foamtana
a p51 mustang and a 36 " morris sudukhoi
they all are foam and it blew me away theye have a superb glide
(BACKWARDS):D
ewo
Nov 15, 2003, 10:52 PM
all my wing would do is spin
thats pretty wild to see too Haha
ewo
Nov 15, 2003, 11:05 PM
No dont try this with a balsa built up plane
only try with foam and i can guarantee that you too will be blown away
i am going to put a pusher in my 32" foamtana with cg were it is with nothing installed and see how it flys as a canard
(BACKWARD)
i know i will have pics and maby a video if i can figure out were to put it
Funflier1
Nov 16, 2003, 05:14 PM
Hooda thunkit
Funflier1
Nov 16, 2003, 05:15 PM
And it works too all the way down the drive straight as an arrow
Dave Hederich
Nov 16, 2003, 07:07 PM
Why don't you post this discovery in Modeling Science, and see if the engineering types who frequent that forum have a scientific reason for why this works.
ewo
Nov 16, 2003, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by Dave Hederich
Why don't you post this discovery in Modeling Science, and see if the engineering types who frequent that forum have a scientific reason for why this works.
Were exactly it that , should i contact a moderator and request this thread be moved?
Don Sims
Nov 16, 2003, 08:25 PM
I've dropped the thread to Modeling Science so the gurus of flight can debate this one!!
Don
Jim Poor
Nov 16, 2003, 08:25 PM
I saw a plane out there called the "tail firster" or something like that. It may have been in connection with the nationals at AMA HQ. You may want to take a look at it.
Sparky Paul
Nov 16, 2003, 08:56 PM
Canards are cute, but "environmentally sensitive". :)
This is a Ridge Runt turned around.
The fuselage is a stick just for ease of moving things around.
Although it flew, as a canard sloper it suffers when landing. The canards get broken.
Where there's a less hostile landing area a canard is a reasonable airplane to have.
Ollie
Nov 16, 2003, 09:37 PM
The requirements for stable, controlled flight are surprisingly simple.
1. The CG must be ahead of the neutral point for stability.
2. The decalage must provide pitch trim.
3. The thrust available must exceed the drag for it to climb.
4. The control surfaces must be big enough to control the direction of flight.
All sorts of wierd configurations have been successful such as flying witches on brooms and flying lawnmowers.
Some of the off beat configurations may not be particularly efficient but there is no denying that they can be made to fly. On the other hand, one tail first design, the Voyager, by Burt Rutan was efficient enough to fly around the world nonstop without refueling.
ewo
Nov 16, 2003, 10:15 PM
Its amaxing to me , i understand the principles of flight , i have been flying balsa built up planes with fueled motors for over 12 years i fly hely's also
im new to foam, and just for the heck of it i tryed to glide a plane to my wife sitting on the couch from acrost the room , it was a 24" foamtana and it was really bad , but i noticed that the airframe nosed up then went tail first.
so i tryed it again , this time backwards and well thats what started this thread
a beautiful backwards glide
Greebe
Nov 17, 2003, 08:43 AM
Sounds to me like those Wright brothers dudes are on to something... ;)
batman
Dec 01, 2003, 02:40 AM
Very interesting. I wonder if the reverse is true for canards. Grab one of them by the nose ( canard ) and try to glide it backwards. ;)
KC9
Mar 06, 2004, 10:11 PM
EWO,
You crazy guy...
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