Where to buy, parts for 69" Brian Taylor P-51D

[Appie]

Hi,

Where can i buy a canopy, enginecover etc. for the 69"Brian Taylor P-51D??????????????

Thanks on forehand for your replies,

Cheers,

Appie

[Chad Veich]

Appie, here are several companies that handle Taylor plans and parts. Good luck, Chad Veich.

http://www.airsailmodels.co.nz/btplan.htm

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aeropassion/boutique/btaylor/btaylor_english.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/ct/bhplans/brian.html

[easytiger]

Bob Holman has them.

[Appie]

Yep,

I saw the pricelist on Bob's website, does anybody have any experience with the quality of the parts he sells?

(i think, i could ask Bob as well??)

Thanks,

Appie

[easytiger]

I have. Bob Holman is as straight as the day is long, I don't know who does the cutting for him, but the parts are excellent. So is his fiberglass. His prices are also very reasonable.
No, I don't work for Bob Holman, nor do I know him personally, just a satisfied customer!
He has been selling plans for many, many years. He has been the US distributor for BT plans since forever...

[Appie]

easytiger


Sounds good:) i will e-mail him, i'm only needing a canopy. The glassfiber work is no problem for me, but i don't have any expertise in making a plug for a canopy, i don't have the vacuum equipment either.

BTW the work on the P-51D is steady, the fuse is taking shape and it starts to look like a Mustang :D

I will post some pics later on........................


Cheers,

Appie

[easytiger]

The BT stuff is great, just sooooo scale. And they are light, and they fly well.

[Appie]

Easytiger,

Yes the BT Plans are really very good, the planes are easy to build and one can make them as complicated or as scale as you like:)

Bob did sent me a reply allready on the request for a Canopy, he sells the parts seperate as well, the price is oke (US 15,=), so the thing with the Canopy looks good indeed, thanks for the tip:)

The fuse is coming along nicely (see picture), the next thing is the Stab & the Vertical fin, so i can test fit them to the fuse.

I will fiberglass the fuse after that and then i have to make the molds for the enginecowl etc. So a lot (of nice) work ahead:D

I'll keep you guy's informed about the progress on this project.......

Fly save,

Appie

[easytiger]

Looks great! What are you going to use for power?

I like Brian Taylor's designs. Even his older ones, they are ALL good. Great engineering, light, and you KNOW they have been flown and proven.
And, like you say, it's up to you how far you want to take it, scale-feature-wise.

[Appie]

I will use an OS .91 FX (the same size as the .61 FX but more power) as a powerplant. As it looks now it should be possible to fit the engine & muffler under the cowl. I dodn't know how this will affect the cooling of the engine, so i have to see about that one.

Futhermore i will install Robart Retracts, main & tailwheel.

Concerning the servo's, i didn't decide wich ones to take, but i think the HS 225's should be able to handle this plane.

Any sugestions Servo wise??


Cheers,

Appie

[easytiger]

91 should be plenty, I'm guessing if you have adequate EXIT area for air, cooling should not be a problem. It seems more about exit area than entry...
Flaps might be a good idea, save a lot of beating on your retracts.

The 225 is a mini, with the output of a standard servo, yes? They are a great idea on bigger planes. Saves a bunch of weight, plus you can do stuff like small seperate servos for ailerons, so you can ditch any bellcranks and linkages. I think the weight ends up similar, pushrods and stuff add up.
I think if brian taylor designed that mustang today, he would put a single servo at each surface.
I have some of the JR Digital micros, they are superb, but they are also something of overkill for a bird like this.
Most of the brands out there are pretty good nowadays, hitec stuff has always served me well, too.
But the idea of replacing at least some of the seven or so standard servos a plane like this takes with smaller ones is a good one.

[Appie]

easytiger

I received the Canopies today, man that's quick, Bob told me he did post them last friday morning:)

The quality of the Canopies is excelent indeed, you was right about Bob Holman for sure. It's allways good to have contacts like that, i did see that he sells nice Plans as well, VERY GOOD!!

Didn't do much on the P-51D though, finished the Stab for about 70% next is the vertical fin up on the building board.

I'll keep you posted about the progress,

Cheers,

Appie

[Appie]

easytiger,

BTW what prop size do you recomend for the OS .91FX ??


Appie

[easytiger]

No idea, honestly! I would just be guessing. When I think about it, the only 91s I have ever owned have been four strokes.

[Tom Verstappen]

Hi Appie,

Why don't you order them directly from Taylor himself?
You can find his address and phone number on my website.
http://www.t-birds.be/myspitfire.htm

I did the same for my Spitfire.

Good luck
Tom
http://www.t-birds.be/forum

[Appie]

Hi Tom,

I allready ordered some canopies from Bob Hollman, they are exelent quality:)

The other parts like the airscoop, motorshroud etc i will form myself.

At the moment i'm working on the wing, i must say these Brian Taylor designs are VERY GOOD indeed, easy to build, light and strong.

BTW. that Spitfire you're building looks very nice indeed, the Spit is a plane that's still on my wishlist, but first i have to finish the Mustang.

Good luck with your project,

Cheers,

Appie

[Ton v Munsteren]

Hi Appie,
Looking good the BT Mustang please show some more pics.
If you like you can start a building review on the Dutch scale forum and I hope you will.
http://www.modelbouwforum.nl/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=42
Looking forwarth seeing some more pics

Ton

[nmacwarbirds]

Dear Sir
You can buy them directly from Brian Taylor.
His products are of the highest quality.
His telephone number is:01460 65694
Address is: 26, Ashcroft, Chard, Somerset, England.
Hope this is will be helpful for you.
Regards Phil Goff.

[Appie]

Just a little update on the "Stang",

Progress is slow due to, too many projects and too little time, well i think you kow the feeling....:D

Anyhow, the wing is 80% completed, was a bit more labour then anticipated, the next wing will be a planked foam wing fore sure:)

All the equipment, like Servo's, Retracts, Engine etc. has arrived so i will try to speed up the building and try to have it finished within 3 or 4 months (before the Summer) time.

Here are a few pics of the thing so far,

Cheers,

Appie

[Appie]

And from the rear.....................

[bipeflyer]

Very nice job Appie!

I built one of these a number of years back, no photos unfortunately, spent hours on the cockpit detail, I had a litho frame I made around the canopy, plus loads of other internal details, but sold it on..even had a sliding canopy!

I kept the pilot I hand carved from blue foam, covered with PVA and hand painted, he's very light, and very USAAF, I still have him, 'tailor' made for a Taylor plane!

I met him a couple of times at modelling events in the UK, very skilled designer, but extremely quiet bloke!

Anyway, the pilot is for sale, just £9 plus postage, let me know if you want him for your model.

Here's a pic of the little guy!

Matt.

[bipeflyer]

and another...

[Appie]

Hi Matt,

Well you see, i've got loads of work to do before i can start on the F-14 Tomcat. The P-51D is a nice project though and i hope it flies as good as i've been told it will.........

I will not paint it into Army colors, but i'm thinking about the "Miss America" or "Strega" colorsheme so i'm not quite sure if your guy will fit into that sheme (maybe a bit of repainting neccessary ?).

Thanks for the offer anyhow and i will think about it. I'm allready quite sure i will contact you within a few weeks about it:)

BTW. how did you make that sliding Canopy work? do you have any drawings of it??

Thanks,

Appie

[Tom Verstappen]

Hi Appie,

Are there new updates on the P51?

;)

I'm also interested in the sliding canopy.

Cheers
Tom

[bipeflyer]

Whoops, sorry Appie I missed this one! The sliding canopy was made using sections of aluminium (K&S) About 4 x 3 mm wide,with a slot cut in it,and to the canopy I fitted a H shaped section piece of plastic.This fits inside the slot,and to the canopy.
No drawings or pics I'm afraid, I sold it.

Hope it gives you some ideas...
Matt

[Appie]

Tom,

No updates, i'm waiting for some Epoxy & Glass to arrive from R&G.

Matt, mmh i will look into that one..........

Cheers,

Appie

[Appie]

Last Friday the postman brought a box from R&G http://www.r-g.de/ with the Epoxy and Glasscloth (and some other stuff:) ) so the work on the P-51D has started again:D

I did glass the underside of the wing this morning, i hope to do the uppersurface tomorrow morning, so it can cure for the rest of the week (one has to work also, you know to pay for the bills this hobby generates:) )

I used a 105gr glasscloth (aircraft spec) and it's a SUPER cloth indeed.

Here's a pic of the glassing of the wing,

[Appie]

Oke guy's you probably thought Appie did mothball his P-51D project :rolleyes:

Well the thruth is i didn't, i'm in the last phase before maiden, i did paint almost 99% of the thing, so it's down to installing the flaps, ailerons, retracts and some RC sfuff. I decided to take on the cockpit interior at a later stage, first this thing has to fly, that's for sure.

Here's a picture of the Stang untill now, and no it's not in millitary-colors :)

Cheers,

Appie

[Appie]

BTW Matt,

Is that little guy still for sale ?????

Cheers,

Appie

[Tom Verstappen]

Hoi Appie,

The stang looks very good!!!!
These are the colors of the STREGA isn't it?

Good luck and keep us updated!!

Tom
Belgium

[Appie]

Thanks Tom,

Yes they are the Strega colors, the Strega Fuse is somewhat different though but i like the colors :)

Btw that Spitfire you have on your homepage is one sharp looking bird as well, do you produce those glassfiber parts yourself?

Cheers,

Appie

[bipeflyer]

Hi Appie, that looks gorgeous! Nice nice job. :)
I still have him here, he wants an aircraft to get into. Your Mustang looks just the thing! Let me know if you still want him.

Matt

[Tom Verstappen]

Hoi Appie,

Thanks!!!
Indeed the fiberglass parts I produce them myself, maybe a nice next project for you. ;)

If you want you can always come to Belgium and take a look at it.

In the near future I also start Kit cutting, so maybe this is also interesting to know for you and other people in Europe.

When will you fly the P51?
What is the weight of it?

Regards
Tom

[Appie]

Tom,

I will first finish this Mustang and hopely have some fun this summer flying this bird :)

What my next project will be, mmh i don't know. I i'm really attracted by the EDF stuff, i have Matt's F-14 Tomcat drawing, but that bird is a real builders bird so that one will probably take a year or two to complete. The Spitfire is a nice one as well but the Focke Wulf FW 190 i a strong contender too, who said it is easy?? :D

As it is at the moment the RTF weight should be somewhere between 5,5 - 6 Kg so with the big wing this plane has and the 2,8Hp engine it should fly allright.

Matt,

Can you hold on to the "Little guy" it has some real "blue foam" warbird blood in his vanes so i would like to have it, that way he can do his buisiness again. I will Pm & Paypall you in a couple of weeks. If i'm right the price was 9 pounds, is that with S&H ?

Oke back to the building board and do some work on the Stang........

Cheers,

Appie

[bipeflyer]

Hi Appie,sure I will, he is a blue foam blood type of guy, itching to fly in a nice warbird such as yours!
Yep, £9 includes shipping to the Netherlands.

Personally, I think the EDF F-14 should be your next priority build. :D :cool:

Matt

[Tom Verstappen]

Hi Appie,

When you're attracted to the F14 then you need to build that one...it doesn't matter if you build a half year or 2 when it is a good flying bird.

I was wondering Matt, is there a woodkit available for this F14?
Why do I ask this, in a few I'm gone start kit cutting, maybe it is a good idea to cut your kit too, so that people who doesn't want to cut all the small pieces can build faster, please let me know what you think about it.
And then you can sell more plans. :D

Cheers
Tom

[Appie]

Oke guy's,

I did brake in the engine this afternoon :D It runs very well (ofcourse, it's an OS :) ), right out of the box, a few spins with the startermotor and it started right up like a dream.

Due to too much wind i didn't fly the "Stang" so it's waiting for better weather, maybe this week the maiden will happen................

Here's a picture to get into the (maiden) mood,

Cheers and keep your fingers crossed for me.

Appie

[tburley]

looks very nice Appie

[Appie]

tburley thanks :)

Tom, i would be interested in some Laser or CNC cut 100% F14 parts. I don't know if Matt will agree to let you cut them, JHH in the States is selling the parts as well and i don't know what kind of arangement Matt has with them?

Let me know if and when they are available

Cheers,

Appie

[Tom Verstappen]

Hi Appie,

I send Matt a PM but still no reaction about it...maybe you can ask him too.

About the Mustang this realy is a very nice stang.
You did a great job there, prachtig. ;)

Cheers
Tom

PS: Ken je de prijs van de onderdelen in America?

[Appie]

Well Boy's

The Mustang is no more :mad:

The maiden was no success, after a perfect takeoff and a good right turn it flew rock steady, after another right turn it just spinned into the ground, i don't know why but i couldn't make any corrections any more. I did the whole preflight checks (range check etc.) so that isn't the problem, but as you can see it hit the ground quite hard.

So it's back to the building board again................

appie

[Appie]

Tom,

This is the link to the JHH website

http://www.jethangar.com/

The parts are not cheap, but i think the quality is very good.

BTW i think Matt is moving from one house to the other so he's probably busy with that :)

Cheers,

Appie

[easytiger]

Totally repairable. Just save every bit, go have a drink, and think about it for a while, it's really only a couple of evening's repairs.

Almost UNDOUBTABLY you simply tip stalled it. Can't tell you HOW many times I have seen guys with heavy metal planes that tip stalled and cried "radio failure!"
What did this weigh, in the end?

[Appie]

Well easytiger,

This one is a write off, but i will be back, one should never give up :)

BTW i didn't shout radio failure............there's nothing wrong with the radio!

you're probably right about the tip stall it was a bit over weight (appr. 6,5 Kg) so i take the blame for this one. The next one will should be around the 4,5 - 5,0 Kg range.

Cheers,

Appie

[easytiger]

That's about fourteen pounds, for us slow unmetric Americans?
That IS pretty heavy. But it WILL fly. You just need to fly it wide open, and play only big, open maneuvers, and watch the landings.
Won't be as much FUN as a ten pound one, but it WILL fly.

Don't give up on this one, it's really not as bad as it looks. But put it in a big black bin bag and sit on it for a while, I find that a few months later, the damage does not look so bad. I have a corner of the shop that, unfortunately, has a whole stack of those black bagged airplane wrecks...but I learned not to throw them out right away.

[Appie]

Easytiger,

Yep that's 14 pounds plus :D

Oke, Oke i won't throw it away, i decided to build another one this Winter and will go for a target weight of 10 pounds.

The enigine is still oke, the Alu spinner took the major hit i only have to order a some new parts for the silencer. I will take the engine apart and clean it though, to check if there hasn't been dirt ingestion.

Well, this is what makes this hobby so thrilling isn't it?

Cheers and thanks for the uplifting remarks :D

Cheers,

Appie

PS. a flying buddy of mine chrashed his plane as well & the Dutch soccer team lost the match against Portugal, well i think its just one of those days :rolleyes:

[bipeflyer]

Aw no Appie, bad news, that was a really beautiful machine, hope you are not feeling too bad, as easytiger says, a rebuild is possible.Sorry to see that Appie...

F-14, really no time to think of parts kits for the 100%, I am moving house, so will be put off for a bit...
Tom, I'll get back to you in due course, sounds like a great idea, sorry for not replying before now.

Don't give up with the 'stang Appie!

Matt

[Appie]

No i will not give up :)

I decided to build another one this Winter, no worries about that

Thanks guy's

Appie

[Tom Verstappen]

Hoi Appie,

It's very painfull to see pictures like that.
Looks like the wing isn't damaged that much?

Maybe you can fix this one too, don't you think?

@Matt: No problem for the late reply, yesterday I bought myself a piece of earth to build a house on, so next year or the year after I will know what that is. :D
Just let me know what you think and how we can work something out, would be fun.

Appie good luck be strong and soon you will be back in the air!!!

Cheers
Tom

[jan brilman]

Hey Tom!


What about this kit-cutting thing you were starting? :confused:

(Btw., is the CNC machine allready working properly? :rolleyes: )

Or is the house 'just another project'? :eek:

Seems you haven't got a problem with the factor 'time' . . . :confused:

How about a couple of extra kids? :D

jan

[Tom Verstappen]

Hello Jan,

The CNC machine works perfect.
Here you can find a few things I already milled.
http://www.t-birds.be/image/products/Modelstand/DSC02996-web.jpg
http://www.t-birds.be/image/products/Modelstand/DSC02998-web.jpg
http://www.t-birds.be/image/forum/bt-spitfire/DSC02989.jpg

This week I'm gone cut a Brian Taylor Spitfire wingkit for myself.

The house is a big project :D but there is a lot to do before you can start with it, so that will be 2005.
Kids...mmm...I don't think so...one rebel in the house is more than enough!!! ;)

So the first thing is the BT Wingkit, and the rest is future, whatever people ask I will cut if the machine can handle it....

Cheers
Tom

[jan brilman]

@Tom!


The parts look just fine! :)

How about cutting a Mustang-kit for Appie? ;)

jan

[Appie]

Good idea :D

I only need the Fuselage formers, the wing will be Foam/Balsa......... I did start on the wing already.

I'll keep you guy's posted :)

Appie

PS. man it's a hell of a job to keep all those threads on all the forums up to date :D

[Tom Verstappen]

Hi Jan and Appie,

Strange I haven't got a mail from your reactions.
Never mind, it would be a good idea to cut the BT P51. ;)

But I have no idea if there are people interested in it. :confused:

Cheers
Tom

[Macgos]

Hi, I have just purchased the BT P-51 plans. This is my first scratch build a/c. Appie you have inspired me. You did a great job...sorry it ended the way it did. Do you have any other construction pics hiding anywhere. Have you put them up on a website somewhere.

I hope you rebuild her....she was beautiful!
Mark

[Appie]

Hi Mark,

Welcome to this forum keep tuning in so now and then, i see that you're from New Seeland :) it's a small world isn't it ?

i'm very sorry but i don't have that much detailed building pic's of the BT P-51D. It's a beautifull plane though but a lot of work to build.

At the moment i'm taking a shortcut and i did buy a P-51D kit with a glassfiber fuselage and stryro/abachi sheeted wings. I will build that one up this winter using the engine and R/C equipment i bought for the BT P-51D.

I'm planning to build another BT P-51D but at the moment i'm put off by the huge amount of workt that is associated with making the fuselage & wing formers.

Maybe in the (nearby) future Tom Verstappen http://www.t-birds.be will be able to provide some CNC cutted BT P-51D formers but at the moment that lays in the future.

When i see the wunderful Spitfire fuse he is selling, mmh maybe a Spitfire isn't that a bad idea a well :)


Cheers & good luck buiding the "Stang" keep us posted will ya ?

Appie

[Macgos]

Hi Appie,
Thanks for replying.These discussion groups are great. They bring people from all over the world together. Amazing!

Yes building a Spitfire would be great also....I just might after the Mustang. Will keep you posted about my progress. I might have a few questions for you in time about how you did some things. :)

Cheers!

Mark

[jan brilman]

Hello Macgos!


In the mean time, feel free to start a thread on the building process
of your P-51. ;)

We all might benefit, and there just can't be enough (BT) P-51's being built and in the air . . . :)

jan

[Macgos]

will do....great idea!
Mark :)

[Wilit run? 353]

its a few years on now and I am looking into a Brian Taylor aircraft, no idea what it would be but I am getting some depron (6mm) soon and so deciced to build it out of foam for a really light version.