Wattage F22 Raptor

[JIMinKENTUCKY]

Just completed Wattage F22 Raptor with:
Mega 16/15/7 Direct
7x4 APC prop
FMA M5 receiver
HS-55 servos
Steerable nosegear
3s1p 2100 Thunder Power

[JIMinKENTUCKY]

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[JIMinKENTUCKY]

pic 3

[The Max-Q]

Looks cool! Perhaps not true scale, but to my knowledge, Raptors are rare! - Especially the "new" production versions with clipped tail feathers and other modifications. Nice job!

[RCParkflyer]

I just purchased a Wattage F-22 Off of Ebay today, it will be here next week, I can't wait to start putting it together.

Anyone have any suggestions for radio equipment and ESC that I'll need? And has anyone Added retracts to their planes?

I fly off of asphalt and I would rather land on the wheels than put the plane down on an abrasive surface :)

I am also thinking of copying the measurments off the plane and doubling the size, so i can turn it into a Twin EDF Jet, anyone have any thoughts on that?

Thanks,
Tom in Milwaukee

[Ed Waldrep]

Well you could copy it but you wouldn't have a scale F-22. There's several areas that are way off and ruin the looks, but then I'm a scale nut, so I have to scratchbuild a lot to get what I want. I've had two Wattage F-22s, the biggest improvement I made was cutting down my old Kyosho F-16 canopy and doing some reshaping on the nose, that made a tremendous difference in the looks. I even got a third one and started turning it into a plug for fiberglassing but lost interest in it.

I started plans for a wood EDF F-22 a couple of years ago but never finished them. I've been thinking about a larger 90mm midi version lately but there's so many projects, so little time!

As far as landing on asphault, I just glue some pieces of 1/4 x 1/2 spruce on the bottom of the fuselage in the rear and on the nose and those keep the bottom from getting tore up.

[pc_pilot]

Ed, How did your wattage F-22 fly on the stock setup?

[Ed Waldrep]

I never flew it stock but I've seen the stock setup fly, it was better than I figured it would be. Speed was about 40-45, climb rate was adequate and it seemed aerobatic capable. Of course a 70 dollar Mega 6 or 7 turn brushless would really make it scoot, about 65-70 mph.

My first one was an EDF conversion with a Kontronic Fun 400-28 and 12 x CP1300s and 4 oz of tail weight to balance...what a brick!

[JIMinKENTUCKY]

RCParkflyer, I forgot to list the ESC I'm using in my initial post. I'm using a Castle Creations 25 amp ESC which is overkill because it is only pulling 7 amps on the following setup.

Mega 16/15/7 Direct
7x4 APC prop
FMA M5 receiver
HS-55 servos
Steerable nosegear
3s1p 2100 Thunder Power

[RCParkflyer]

Jim,

How long of a flight time do you get with that power set-up? That sure is one nice looking plane :) Oh, BTW I wanted to ask you about the Decal the Spirit of America one, is that Included with the kit? Do you remember if you had any assembly troubles?

How did you hook up the steerable nose wheel?

Tom :) Can't wait to start working on mine!!

[AZ_Astro]

JIMinKENTUCKY:

Like the Raptor.

I have pretty much the same setup as you: Mega 16/15/7 with CC25 and TP-2100. I just got the Thunderpower pack a few days ago but it's amazing how much more life there is in my planes!

I generally fly 9x6s in my 7 turn, so I'm wondering if you can prop up from the 7x4. Today I flew the 7-turn in my Terry with a 9x4.5 folder. The motor and battery are barely warm, although I power off and glide a lot.

I have also used APC-E 8x8, which gives me good thrust and speed.

FYI.

AZ_Astro

[pontious]

I am now on my third settup.
I started with the stock settup which which was uninspiring and lasted three flights before the gearbox failed.
I then tried a 480 with rondo and 8xCP1300`s big improvement .
Last week tried a Mega 16/15/4 ,APC6x4E ,Kontronic ESC and 8x1950 4/5AUP`s What a difference. Handlaunch became a doddle and all went ballistic until a giant loop saw the flight pack depart under the G force in a great impression of a LABS bomb toss. The airframe floated down like a feather and after collecting all the scattered cells the pack rebuilt ok.It is now held in safer than a Nuns knickers. This is the same settup which Matt is using in his SU27 and Ron Laden in his Pushecat (exept for using 10X1300CP`s) I can highly recommend .I am now worried about the aiframe holding up and Bob P wont stand anywhere near me.
Regards,
Terry.

[pontious]

Here She Be.

[RCParkflyer]

Originally posted by pontious
I am now on my third settup.
.
Last week tried a Mega 16/15/4 ,APC6x4E ,Kontronic ESC and 8x1950 4/5AUP`s What a difference.

I can highly recommend.
Regards,
Terry.

Terry,

What Kind of Flight times do you get with the new set-up???

[JIMinKENTUCKY]

RCParkflyer/AZ_Astro, yes the Spirit of America decal is included in the kit. I usually try to time the duration but havent done so with the F22. Just guessing, I feel like I'm getting around 8 minutes with mostly full thottle. 10 to 15 mins with throttle management. I am very happy with the duration. Just the other day I did about 4 takeoff and landings with lots of flying and got tired and landed. Hooked it up to my charger and realized I had only used half capacity of the 3s1p 2100 Thunder Power. If you dont have one of these packs from thunder power, I encourage you to get one. It's a perfect fit in the battery compartment and provides perfect CG at least in my setup. I'll post some pics of my steerable nosegear setup which has been pretty reliable.

First pic: cut slot to allow nosegear to pass through fuselage cover.

[JIMinKENTUCKY]

pic 2:

Location of Electronics:

Receiver in rear, 25 amp CC ESC center, and nosegear servo up front. Servo resting on small piece of foam so that servo arm is parallel to nosegear control arm.

[JIMinKENTUCKY]

Pic 3:

nosegear closeup:

Using a Dubro 1/2 A steerable nosegear kit. Available here.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXD845&P=7

Mounted to a small piece of balsa glued to front of fuselage. Also notice the small piece of balsa on roof of fuselage to prevent the steering gear from puncturing through top of plane in case of hard landing.

[JIMinKENTUCKY]

Also, in the nosegear setup im using the wire gear provided with the raptor kit and placing it in the mounting hardware in the 1/2 A dubro steerable nosegear kit.

[monkamarm2000]

Nice job Jim.

And for those interested in other Mega setups and there spec's check this site out, all you ever wanted to know about Mega specs and setup's. Just keep in mind the tes's were done with CP 1300's so adjust your voltage accordingly.

http://www.flyingmodels.org/motortest/

Barry

[RCParkflyer]

You might find this webpage interesting, its for the Mega Motor's

http://aircraft-world.com/prod_datasheets/mega_16_data.htm

[monkamarm2000]

Those are handy, there alot like the sheet they give you witht he motors though. I usually refer the the other one cause instaed of a power supply, it's done with CP cells and it also gives thrust figures for each combo, plus you cant beat the real world loads so you can pick a good ESC


Barry

[rcguy01]

keep it light or you will lose its agility. For those speed 400 class jets using mega 16/15/xx, it is better to use Thunderpower 2100 or Kan 1050. Just ditch those CP 1300s, it is way too heavy for this class, unless you like your jet flies and crashes like a brick :-)

[JIMinKENTUCKY]

Wattage F22 Raptor Video:

Airplane #9 located at www.jims-rc-flight.com

or direct link:

www.streamload.com/JIMinKENTUCKY/WattageRaptor.wmv



TOUCHING DOWN

[feathermerchant]

Finished mine several months ago. Mega 16/15/6 APC 7X5 Phoenix 25 TP 3S 2100. Nudged CG back and back. It's now near the finger holds. Pitches up a little on large power reduction but can be put into a deep stall and sink almost vertically to the ground. Also does Cobras. AUW about 18oz. no gear. Duration - 28min normal ~20 min hauling ...

[RCParkflyer]

Really NICE Video and Pic's Guys!! I finally got mine in the mail last week, bought it off Ebay, and I'll be building it sometime this winter. I have a huge bundle of Depron on order also, and I'm going to use the Wattage plane for measurements and make a double size plane out of Depron for Twin EDF's (6mm formers and 3mm skin and wings) I'm also working on a set of plans for a Depron Raptor, but that may fall through (from a French Magazine). I'll keep you informed!!

Great Raptors Guys!!!

[Ralph Brekan]

I noticed they advertize this plane as fun for intermediate to advanced pilots. I fly a Hobbyzone Aerobird Challanger, a Parkzone J-3 cub and have been flying the GWS Me109 shakey and hard (but come on, it's a warbird). I also have a Pico TM but that is a whole differnet experience than the other two (pico likes slow and low...).

I can perform loops, barrel rolls and spiral dives with both the Aerobird Challenger (w/ elevons) and the J-3 which is RET. Will I be able to fly the F-22 or will I just burn up 80 bucks frustrating myself? From what I've read, it's easier to fly than Zagis and probably even easier than the Multiplex Jet; but certainly no where near an "easy flyer". If I can handle the Hobbyzone ABC do you think I can handle the Wattage Raptor?

[Racebelly]

If you can fly the ME109 you can fly this plane. It's actually a very forgiving plane. No bad stall charateristics(lots of washout), chop the throttle on approach and it glides nice & easy. I've brought mine in dead stick a few times with ease. I flew mine as my 2nd or 3rd aileron plane back when and it seemed a bit fast at the time but was still easy to fly.

When you are ready for more speed & want a cheap upgrade throw in a Cobalt 400 for some serious fun.

-Mark

[Ralph Brekan]

Great I just got mine! Looks like a tough build though. Precision. I'm skipping landing gear altogether to save weight and stay 3-channel. I hope I dont mess it up i the build process; other than that, The F-22 Raptor looks as fun to fly as my Parkzone F-27 Stryker which is really a "zagi type" wing made over to look like a pusher jet (its a slightly bigger version of the Multiplex Jet). It will be nice to have a near scale flanker.

[feathermerchant]

Just follow the instructs. CG can be much farther back than recommended.

[Dhughes]

Where can you buy wattage planes?

[Ralph Brekan]

Im waiting for my electronics for the Raptor; I'll post pics when I'm done building... I bought mine on Ebay from RCBoys in Utah.

[Fredric]

http://www.hobbypeople.net
is the best place to buy Wattage stuff. They are the main U.S. distributor.

-Mark

[Ralph Brekan]

Discontinued :( Good thing i got at east one....

[Ralph Brekan]

Well I got my Raptor to fly with a GWS EPS350c w/ S@ gearing and a 7035 hyperdrive prop. Flys fast. IMO, Wattage should have just sold the airfame kit and "suggest" power systems for flyers. Theres so many options and they're gearbox is very tempermental (dont over tighten, but dont leave loose!) and the 300 motor is short lived at high amps.

All in all Im glad I have the Raptor its a nice compliment to my Warbird collection. Al;thogh the Me109 and Pt19 are a tad more enjoyable; but I havent gotten to that comfort level with this plane yet so only flight time will tell.

[feathermerchant]

Mine is unbelievable on a Mega 16/15/6 and 7X5 APC on 3s 2200 Tanics.
Don't know why I haven't ripped the wings off.

[RCParkflyer]

Im waiting for my electronics for the Raptor; I'll post pics when I'm done building... I bought mine on Ebay from RCBoys in Utah.


LOL I was bidding against you for that Kit :eek:

[darren jakel]

I've been flying my F22 for about a month now, finally got some video last weekend.
http://kpmacaz.rchomepage.com/Videos.htm

I really like the way this plane flies. It's pretty fast but will also slow down nicely without the bad tip stalling habits that my F86 has. It's too bad Wattage discontinued it.

Darren

[RCParkflyer]

She really scoots along nice :) Great Job. Yeah it's too bad that Wattage discontinued the plane, if they had just beefed up the stock motor a bit they would have had a winner I think.

BTW Nice hat :) I have several too

[darren jakel]

Thanks, got's to have a good hat when you live in the Desert.

[Darren Hintze]

I bought one of these used off E-bay for Christmas of '02 for $32 shipped. It was easily the best $32 I've ever spent. After a couple of flights stock, I started powering it up -- first to a 480 then, by Feb '03, to a Mega. I sanded mine down and covered it in Ultracote; the slick finish reduced drag and added a lot of strength.

My set up was Mega 16/15/5 with 3s lipos or 9 AA cells and a 6x6 prop. It logged 318 total flights between Dec '02 and Jun '04. During most of that time, it was my favorite show and everyday Jet. It was only recently replaced by a Bugs F-18 for show and an FS F-16 for everyday Jet flying.

My Wattage F-22 was finally taken offline early this summer and is currently being converted to a Sorta F-35 fan jet.

Wattage made a fantastic airframe here -- even if it is only F-22ish scalewise.

But as with most Wattage products (in my experience) the included power system sucks (given the speed capability of the airframe) and hampers what would otherwise be a great success. Even if Wattage converted this to their cheezy Cobalt 400 it'd be a huge hit rather than a floaty parkie jet without a home.

Yet, the Mega/F-22 combo still ranks in my top 10 all time favorite planes.

Darren

[Ralph Brekan]

I live in Tempe; I wear a hat too.... Out here, the sun literally kills you otherwise. I also finf the glare from sunglases to be more distracting than helpful while flying so a large brimmed cattleman hat (cowboy style) works great. I fly over cottwn feils off a sirt strip so I never put my raptos landing gear on. I'm getting video at lunch.

[Ralph Brekan]

The nice thing about Arizona is you can get up between 5am-7am and fly almost everyday of the year :)

[roccobro]

The nice thing about Arizona is you can get up between 5am-7am and fly almost everyday of the year :)

Bastard! The unlucky thing about where I live, is that there is rarely a calm day. Winds blow in the 70's during fall storms.

[Racebelly]

Darren,

You aren't kidding about the Cobalt 400. These are actually great brushed motors. I put one on mine a few months back and increased speed and vertical by leaps and bounds over stock. Judging by the speed of my other planes I would guess level flight to be in the high 50's on the Cobalt. Funny thing is I was running the original stock motor/gearbox after 100+ flights! :eek: Sounds impossible but true. The Wattage gearboxes are the big problem. Their 370 motors are pretty good for can motors. But, most of the Wattage gearboxes I've run last about 20 flights tops. I was buring out gears in my Live Wire and Sopwith Camel every 10 flights or so. At $6 a pop that gets expensive quick.

Anyway, the Cobalt 400 is a way underrated motor IMO. If money isn't an object then go for the Mega like Darren said.:)

-Mark

[Ralph Brekan]

An I use a Cobalt 400 w a regualr brushed s400 controller?

[Racebelly]

Yes, a Cobalt 400 will work with a std. cntlr. Any 25-35amp will do. With 8x1050 KAN's & a 6x4 APC prop I was pulling around 22A if I remember correctly. I used one of the Wattage 380's($24 I think).

-Mark

[Ralph Brekan]

Hmmm do you think the Parkzone Stryker's ESC can handle it? It's a canned s480...

[Racebelly]

If it's rated to 25A you should be fine. The docs should say how many amps. If not then try emailing Parkzone. I wasn't able to find any info on their website.

-Mark

[RCParkflyer]

Wattage cobalts are good for 180 Watts "Per the Wattage PDF Book" so do the math :)

[Ralph Brekan]

Oooh this might be my DD setup! I'll get hunting for another airframe :lol:

[supershuey]

hi all
just thought id let you know that this are back in stock in the uk
dont know if they have started remaking them but the model shop
said they are back in his order books so i had too get one as a spare

still comes with landing gear and that dreaded g/b but hey there back! :D

[roccobro]

I'll start putting pressure on my local Hobby People. Have a link to one in the UK in case they won't bring 'em back here?

Justin

[Racebelly]

RCParkflyer,

I'm pulling close 180W if I remember correctly. However, my buddy runs a Zagi with the Cobalt & 8x1300's. He's pulling closer to 200W & his has 80-100 flights on it. The Cobalts are pretty strong. I would bet you could push 250W through one with a little throttle management. You might brun through brushes but they are replacable.


-Mark

[roccobro]

Just checked Hobby Peoples website. It shows the F-22 on back order. I thought I couldn't find it in the last search I did last week !? I could buy the wings, fuse, cover, stabs, canopy, and gear seperate....but that would come to about $110. I'll wait for the $69 kit to be back (hopefully!). They're kinda scarce on ebay.

Justin

[RCParkflyer]

Hi Mark,

Yeah I figured that they would take over 200w as everyone rates there stuff conservativly. Now 250 Watts is another matter though, I was thinking of building my Aurora with Wattage Powerfans (4) using cobalt motors, and trying to push for 250w per motor, to break into Hosers 1Kw Club with a BRUSHED Set-up :eek: Maybe someday I'll try it too :) but for now I'm using 2 minifans with Mega 16/15's at about 800+ w

[supershuey]

ill check if my local model shop is online as it hasnt been open long
if he is ill put a link up it is still listed on the wattage webite too
and even spares are available ill email them and see if its up too date
i did pay 59.99 gbp pounds though so a lttle on the dear side after u
convert it but if your like me that doesnt stop you lol

the name is cubbitts models but as i said its only been open a couple of months may be a phone call? he would send it hes a lovely bloke but he talks
for ages so phone call might be more than the plane lol
if it came too the last straw i could price it all up for and send you a kit
i understand if you think its too risky,
ill help any flyer i can

makes a change having a plane in the uk i want, hobby lobby must be getting them soon

cheers for now ill get link if poss asp :D

[Ralph Brekan]

Can you mount the Cobalt 400 in the GWS EDP400 mount? Or is there a special firewall mount for it?

[Ralph Brekan]

I put the Parkzone Stryker's canned 480 on the Raptor eith eth Strykers prop and it had pretty good peformance weighing about 20oz with the 9.6v 1050mah pack. Unfortunately, I flew her into the side of the van compressing and cracking the nose section and after buildup shes almost 21oz w/ battery now. :( Another nose in and I'll have to switch to Li-poly, LOL. I'm going to get the Cobalt 400 it looks like a great deal for what it is and I'm sure it can crank out the RPMs too.. I dont think the Cobalt 400 will be much heavier than the Speed 480.

[Racebelly]

Kamakize,

I don't think the Cobalt will fit in the GWS mount. I glued 2 square stick mounts into the back of my Raptor & used a clamshell mount between them for the Cobalt.

-Mark

[Ralph Brekan]

What is your AUG wight with the colbalt? I'm at 21oz with the 480 and an eight cell 1050 pack

[Ralph Brekan]

I flew two batteries on mine today :) What a nice plane. If I dont crash any more it should fly for some time. LOL The chances are slim with a name like Kamikazi tho.... ;)

Anyway, I'm thinking about making a slightly larger version out of depron (more like Sukoi Flanker actually) and stick a pair EDF55's in it. I'm going with scale intakes so I'll use an a Estes model rocket booster at launch to get the wing elevated and the fans up to speed. I'm positive this will work (theres a guy in France with a twin Wemotec powered Raptor). Another guy was sayiong I should have a secod bootser so I can break the sound barrier on the flyby, LOL. Now that would take some wiring. But as far as a twin EDF Flanker goes, I just need the patience, time and decent estimate of CG and it should fly nice.

Although depron's not EPP, not as durable at all. The Wattage Raptor's fuselage is very durable and easy to fix. A hard landing with depron takes you back to the shop; no easy feild repairs like EPP. So, it wouldnt be a regular flyer like the Raptor; but it would be kewl crash a couple times. :p

[Racebelly]

Kamikazi,

Crashed my Raptor the other day. I had some severe glitching issues. Turns out the speed controller came loose & was sitting right on top of the Rx. Ooops.

I'm pretty sure my AUW was right around 22oz. or so with the KAN 8x1050's. It's a really nice looking plane in the air isn't it.:)

A deporon EDF would be very nice.:)

-Mark

[Ralph Brekan]

Yeah ist a great plane. Yeah Im there with ya 21.5oz AUG with yet another hard no power nose in :( I have to start timing my flights so I can bring her into the wind w/ power verus stalling her into the ground downwind, LOL for three major nose repairs shw still looks very real inflight! I love it!

[feathermerchant]

If it noses in at slow speed it's too nose heavy. I worked my CG back little by little. Now I can land in a deep stall. Nose high it just plops on the ground. I think it flys faster too. Just look at the elevon position needed for level flight. If you can see a significant amount of "up" then try moving the bat back ~1/8" at a time. It gives plenty of warning as the CG gets near the aft limit. Gets pitch sensitive and will pitch up a lot on sudden power off.

[Ralph Brekan]

If it noses in at slow speed it's too nose heavy. I worked my CG back little by little. Now I can land in a deep stall. Nose high it just plops on the ground. I think it flys faster too. Just look at the elevon position needed for level flight. If you can see a significant amount of "up" then try moving the bat back ~1/8" at a time. It gives plenty of warning as the CG gets near the aft limit. Gets pitch sensitive and will pitch up a lot on sudden power off.

I think Your right! ;) I might have to go 2c lipoly. LOL

[feathermerchant]

I'm running Tanic 3S 2200 so you should be OK on 3S

[Racebelly]

Kamikazi,

Landings should be a piece of cake on this bird. Listen to Feathermerchant and move your CG back some. I can land my Raptor deadstick without any problems. I can(could) chop the throttle a ways out & glide it in nice & slow until it plops down in the grass. Yours should not be stalling.

-Mark

[Ralph Brekan]

Thanks guys. I think the 1050's are too heavy with all the front end repairs I've made to date. She still looks good, I just had some power/control issues in the first few flights. I'll pick up a 3s lipoly pack and a decent charger (like the Hobbico field charger) in the coming weeks for sure. I bet if put a 3s pack in her that should be perfect. Knock a few OZ off her too. A lipoly diet for the Raptor, LOL

[Akura2]

I know this thread is a little old but....http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2563&item=5938529265&rd=1&ssPageName=WD1V

[Akura2]

Kamikazi,

Crashed my Raptor the other day. I had some severe glitching issues. Turns out the speed controller came loose & was sitting right on top of the Rx. Ooops.

I'm pretty sure my AUW was right around 22oz. or so with the KAN 8x1050's. It's a really nice looking plane in the air isn't it.:)

A deporon EDF would be very nice.:)

-Mark

Spare parts

http://globalservices.globalhobby.com/part/12840401.asp

[hummingbird111]

not bad for 79. buckaroos:D,,, too bad i just ordered parts {{ $110 }} :eek:,,,,:(,,, looking for the ups guy today,,,:rolleyes:,

[Suntzu]

I am maidening mine with mega 16/7/7 1.93 ration 7x5 3s tommorow. Can someone advise me of a good CG point? I have the stock CG but they are usually out a bit. Thx

[feathermerchant]

Stock CG is OK to start. I think mine is at least 1/2" back from that. When you're getting too far back you can tell because it will pitch up when you cut power. A 16/15/6 and APCE 7X5 is great on this plane.

[Suntzu]

Cool. Ill try the stock. Did you get any slop in the tailerons? I didnt pull on the servos when I glued them attached to the arms. So there about 1mm play relating to about 3mm in the tailerons...is that an issue?

I getting about 140 watts and its 23oz fully glassed and ready to fly. Its very durable with the glass and poly crylic. 12000 rpm on the 7x5 which ecalc says is identical to the 16/15/7 on the same prop and batteries. It says 59mph and about 25 oz thrust.

I love this plane, I hope I dont kill it!

[feathermerchant]

My structure is stock so about 16-18oz as I recall. I'm drawing about 180W static. I prefer direct drive when I can get it. To take out the play you could carefully 'bow' the pushrods outward or inward. You'd want to remove the arm from the servo first.

At stock CG, trim the elevons up a little - enough so you can just see it relative to the wing. As you move the CG back you'll be able to reduce the trim. Launch it a little nose up since you've got plenty of thrust.

Mine rolls a litle when you pull for a turn or climb so I've mixed a little ail with the ele. Didn't notice this at first but can't tell that anything has changed. You'll have plenty of control authority on hi rates. I do all my flying on hi rates. As you move the CG back there will be more pitch sensitivity and higher roll rate.

[hummingbird111]

hey folks,, just to chime in here ,, i've finally finished my wattage 22 also flew it a couple times ,,i got 15 oz w/o the batt { 1320 thunder 11.1 v },,Suntzu,, good luck on your maiden,,i'm just using an AXI 22/12/26 with a 8x8 E prop,,this things rocks!! i would say about 75 to 80 mph,,alot more faster then the 22/12/34:), here's a couple of picks:D

[Suntzu]

Bugger ,

I wrecked the nose first flight. I took off slightly forward of the cg to be safe. I Had DR and Expo on. Half throttle into minimal wind, nose dropped, I jammed full throttle and pulled back and she took off like having a proverbial rocket up its ###. I had very little elevator input. I could have landed it immediately but I chose to come around bit mistake. It was really rocking and I started a sweeping left hander. I have very little roll authority, so I go full rates, still not a lot, too nose heavy, I start to rooll, but because its soo slow and im going so fast at about 50 feet I cant see it rlling that well. The camoflage is confusing me. So I think, get more height , I pull back on the stick and a slow roll pulls me towards the ground. With not enough elevator to pull out she goes nose in 90 degrees at about 30mph+. Crumpled the nose. The rest is ok. Im not happy as I put a lot of work in.

I "think" can fix it , but it wont be pretty. I will move the cg back about an inch I think if it ever flys again :(

[sajkas]

hummingbird111, I guess you decided not to go with vectored thrust on your F22.
"J"
Suntzu, sorry to hear of your crash esp. since these are harder to come by now. I read in another thread about repairing the nose of a Alpha Mig 15, using the same repair method this should be pretty easy to fix as you will not have to redo any ducting.
"J" again

[Suntzu]

The obligatory pre maiden:

[Suntzu]

You think I can fix it?

[sajkas]

IMHO I think you can fix this easily. I would opt to cut the entire nose section off then mount a block of foam and reshape with coarse sanding blocks. I have been doing a scratch build F16 from eps foam and it takes to shaping pretty well. I find that if I only use the sanding block in one direction it chunks less of the foam, what does chunk I fill with microballoons.
"J"

[Ralph Brekan]

Sajakas has the right idea for sure. That nose you have is too compressed to repair. But you could wedge a block in between the intakes and shape it into something better than what Wattage gave us to begin with ;) With "scale" looks like this its hard to believe Lockheed even got their panties in a bunch over the Wattage model to begin with :rolleyes:.... or maybe that lack of scalew was the issue, LOL! I have to say it looks good inflight; especially WOT with a DD motor! :cool:

Kits are getting scarce. I'd fix that baby right up, for sure! :)

[Suntzu]

I fixed it. It aint pretty but its got new colors for orientation. It was only the A Team theme music playing the background that allowed me to fix it in 20 minutes. Mwewah!!! Off the to field!

[Suntzu]

Ok, I ghettoed the mod in 20 minutes. I know it looks bad but I decided that I needed to know if it would fly before committing to a new nose repair that would take hours.

I did the below repair with fibre tape and paint and moved the CG back 1 inch, I increased throws a lot. I had 12 successful take offs and landings, no problem at all. It greases in very quick and stable, I think my max speed level was about 40mph. Probably 55mph in a slight dive. The motor was hardly warm. Its got a lot of accelleration and thrust though, launches on 1/2 throttle on the 7x5. Im going for more pitch next time. I dont want a lot more speed due still learning jets.

Bottom line, at 9.30 I had a nice looking model that was wrecked in shame by 9.31am. By 11.30 I was back in the air having a blast with a butt ugly F22! Having fun tho! :D

[RCParkflyer]

Just chop off the front end, and you have the opportunity to have something that no one else has. A Wattage F-22 with a realistic SCALE Nose!!!

Happy foam carving!!

Tom

[Suntzu]

Actaully, the gas guys seems to be keeping their distance from me now...I THink I scared them ..excellent! :\

Also, Any ideas where I can get a scale pic of the nose of an actual F22?

[RCParkflyer]

These should give you a little clearer picture of the nose, I have one more to load but you can only do 5 at a time. The main thing to remember is that the nose slants down a little bit, simular to a SU-27 only not as much, but it is bent down a little bit, you can see the amount of curve in the 3-view drawing the best.

[RCParkflyer]

This side view should show it good too

The last pic is a 3-view of the YF-22 so You an see the differences in the design's, The Wattage plane was LOOSLY based on the YF-22.

Hope the pictures help :)

Tom - Milwaukee

[sajkas]

Aw man! Thanks to RCparkflyer I may have to cut the nose off my F22 just so I can make it more scale :rolleyes: just kidding. Has anyone else tried thrust vectoring on this plane, it has the most stable platform I have found yet. A friend of mine posted a video of mine for me but I gotta say that it really does not do it justice, it can do flatspins either direction, inverted also, harriers, cobras, heli tricks like tic tocs, simulated chaos and plenty more that I don't have names for. And best of all it can still go fast when I want to.
"J"

[hummingbird111]

sajkas, i just chose the plane old mount the motor deal,,i just love flying this plane , it's just a shame for whatever reason that wattage doesn't make this 22 anymore,,,i've never done it before but i have heard that if you put the foam in boiling water or steam heat the foam,,it will take out the wrinkles,,,,,,,,,;)

[sajkas]

I have read somewhere that they may be getting produced by a new manufacturer and a rebadge. But heard the same thing about the Mirage 2000 also. At a time when great powerplants are available for many models, it seems some manufacturers have given up on some older designs :( that would most probably be stellar perfomers given more power.
"J"

[Suntzu]

Ok, Actually, mine was not marked Wattage on the box, but in fact a brand called TSH. Some parts were slightly different. But the manual WAS a Wattage unit. So infact I think I have one of the rebranded ones from TSH. The box is also identical but has TSH where Wattage should be.

On the box it say TSHobby.

So there ya go. I will ask my supplier if there is more kits available.

[sajkas]

Doing a search on TS hobby yielded a company in Taiwan called Tai Shih Hobby, have tried writing to them but I don't expect a reply, language barrier :confused: . I was thinking maybe a thread could be started that addresses planes that maybe just needed a better powerplant to be good but are not available? Maybe some manufacturers would start remaking them?
"J"

[Suntzu]

My supplier in australia got back to me, he said its just a diffenrent name for different markets. He also attached a bunch of Jets that are comming soon. He did not state what brand. In addition to the J39, F22 and F18 there is a Mirage and a F5E. They look great and they are usually very inexpensive coming from my usual supplier.

Im going to learn how to fly jets on this F22 so I can advance to the nice new jets. Cheers.

[gazza2003au]

suntzu how much did mike charge? thanks for the PM i would like another with the pricing :D mikey mike didnt tell me about the new models! argggg

[monkamarm2000]

Wattage does this quite a bit, sell the molds that is. And as J stated they did it with the Mirage, a company out of England called Protec picked it up, they were even selling it without the motor for about $40 but they faded out also. too bad cause the Mirage is still one of the fastest best flying planes I own.


Barry

[roccobro]

Dang it! I still want one of those too. Sounded too good to be true... Off to E-bay!

Justin

[Racebelly]

Suntzu,

Those foamie kits look really nice. Are they going to be pushers or EDF? The Raptor fusalage looks hollow. Twin MicroFans could be a great combo!:)

-Mark

[sajkas]

Is it just me or does the Raptor look a tad bit more scale, esp. the tail cone area. Hope that somebody in the states will be picking these up. Suntzu do you know the manufacturers of these other models?
"J"

[Ralph Brekan]

Yeah, hook me up with the wholesale lead; I'll carry these. :p