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POP_Server=pop.clara.net
Sep 30, 2003, 04:01 AM
On flying in the back field tonight at around 6pm the air was cold and damp,
would this cause the performance of the engine to alter? The reason I say
this is that the engine has never responded so well before and the weather
is the only thing I can put it down to.

Regards
Paul H.

MR LESLIE ROGERS
Sep 30, 2003, 04:01 AM
yes you are right, the air will be denser, so fuel to air ratio is better

i.e more co2 can get to the fuel to give a better burn rate, same as in a
car engine

hope this helps
"POP_Server=pop.clara.net" <paulherbert@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On flying in the back field tonight at around 6pm the air was cold and
damp,
> would this cause the performance of the engine to alter? The reason I say
> this is that the engine has never responded so well before and the weather
> is the only thing I can put it down to.
>
> Regards
> Paul H.
>
>

Gordon Dunn
Sep 30, 2003, 04:01 AM
co2?

surely O2




"MR LESLIE ROGERS" <LESLIEROGERS@nospammembers.v21.co.uk> wrote in message
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> yes you are right, the air will be denser, so fuel to air ratio is better
>
> i.e more co2 can get to the fuel to give a better burn rate, same as in a
> car engine
>
> hope this helps
> "POP_Server=pop.clara.net" <paulherbert@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1064857650.38960.0@dyke.uk.clara.net...
> > On flying in the back field tonight at around 6pm the air was cold and
> damp,
> > would this cause the performance of the engine to alter? The reason I
say
> > this is that the engine has never responded so well before and the
weather
> > is the only thing I can put it down to.
> >
> > Regards
> > Paul H.
> >
> >
>
>

Beav
Sep 30, 2003, 04:01 AM
"MR LESLIE ROGERS" <LESLIEROGERS@nospammembers.v21.co.uk> wrote in message
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> yes you are right, the air will be denser, so fuel to air ratio is better

The air will be wetter too, so there's a reduction in oxy and an increase in
H20. Don't ask me why THAT makes an engine run better :-)
>
> i.e more co2 can get to the fuel to give a better burn rate, same as in a
> car engine

And more water like they used to use in Splitzenfireicane engines in WW2.

One day I'll actually know WHY damp weather makes engines run better, but
for now, I'm happy knowing that it does.

Looks like it's coming up to the time for my "winter" needle setting of
1/8th of a turn leaner.


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Philip Martin
Sep 30, 2003, 04:01 AM
"MR LESLIE ROGERS" <LESLIEROGERS@nospammembers.v21.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3f78a3df$1@news.greennet.net...
> yes you are right, the air will be denser, so fuel to air ratio is better
>
> i.e more co2 can get to the fuel to give a better burn rate, same as in a
> car engine
>
> hope this helps
> "POP_Server=pop.clara.net" <paulherbert@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1064857650.38960.0@dyke.uk.clara.net...
> > On flying in the back field tonight at around 6pm the air was cold and
> damp,
> > would this cause the performance of the engine to alter? The reason I
say
> > this is that the engine has never responded so well before and the
weather
> > is the only thing I can put it down to.
> >
Air contains c20% O2 and c80% Nitrogen, but cold air is denser than warm
air, so there's more of it (in weight) per C.C. But now if its damp, that is
the relative humidity of the air is high, there's more water in it, so the
difference in O2 levels between hot dry air and damp cold air can be
relatively small. However when this cold wet air enters the engine the
molecules of water attract the molecules of fuel and thus you get a better
distribution of the fuel ( a better mixture of fuel and air). This means
that when its time to go BANG it goes BANG better:o)

They've tried this before with car engines, adding a water injection point
on the manifold and the performance improves as does the fuel economy. Only
trouble is it rusts and buggers the engines:o(

Phil Martin.



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Hippiestew
Sep 30, 2003, 04:01 AM
Certainly...these beasts actually fly better in lower temperatures...cold air
is heavy and thick...and the blades "bite" into the air more
efficently...moisture in the air helps keep the engine cooler...stronger
performance...

Beav
Oct 01, 2003, 04:01 AM
"Philip Martin" <philip.martin1@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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>
> "MR LESLIE ROGERS" <LESLIEROGERS@nospammembers.v21.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3f78a3df$1@news.greennet.net...
> > yes you are right, the air will be denser, so fuel to air ratio is
better
> >
> > i.e more co2 can get to the fuel to give a better burn rate, same as in
a
> > car engine
> >
> > hope this helps
> > "POP_Server=pop.clara.net" <paulherbert@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:1064857650.38960.0@dyke.uk.clara.net...
> > > On flying in the back field tonight at around 6pm the air was cold and
> > damp,
> > > would this cause the performance of the engine to alter? The reason I
> say
> > > this is that the engine has never responded so well before and the
> weather
> > > is the only thing I can put it down to.
> > >
> Air contains c20% O2 and c80% Nitrogen, but cold air is denser than warm
> air, so there's more of it (in weight) per C.C. But now if its damp, that
is
> the relative humidity of the air is high, there's more water in it, so the
> difference in O2 levels between hot dry air and damp cold air can be
> relatively small. However when this cold wet air enters the engine the
> molecules of water attract the molecules of fuel and thus you get a better
> distribution of the fuel ( a better mixture of fuel and air). This means
> that when its time to go BANG it goes BANG better:o)
>
> They've tried this before with car engines, adding a water injection point
> on the manifold and the performance improves as does the fuel economy.
Only
> trouble is it rusts and buggers the engines:o(

I've seen 'em rusted Phil, but I've never seen one buggered. Only a small
bloke could manage that successfully, but why he'd try is anyone's guess :-)


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Philip Martin
Oct 02, 2003, 04:01 AM
"Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Philip Martin" <philip.martin1@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:blafbo$9587j$1@ID-129488.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "MR LESLIE ROGERS" <LESLIEROGERS@nospammembers.v21.co.uk> wrote in
message
> > news:3f78a3df$1@news.greennet.net...
> > > yes you are right, the air will be denser, so fuel to air ratio is
> better
> > >
> > > i.e more co2 can get to the fuel to give a better burn rate, same as
in
> a
> > > car engine
> > >
> > > hope this helps
> > > "POP_Server=pop.clara.net" <paulherbert@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:1064857650.38960.0@dyke.uk.clara.net...
> > > > On flying in the back field tonight at around 6pm the air was cold
and
> > > damp,
> > > > would this cause the performance of the engine to alter? The reason
I
> > say
> > > > this is that the engine has never responded so well before and the
> > weather
> > > > is the only thing I can put it down to.
> > > >
> > Air contains c20% O2 and c80% Nitrogen, but cold air is denser than warm
> > air, so there's more of it (in weight) per C.C. But now if its damp,
that
> is
> > the relative humidity of the air is high, there's more water in it, so
the
> > difference in O2 levels between hot dry air and damp cold air can be
> > relatively small. However when this cold wet air enters the engine the
> > molecules of water attract the molecules of fuel and thus you get a
better
> > distribution of the fuel ( a better mixture of fuel and air). This means
> > that when its time to go BANG it goes BANG better:o)
> >
> > They've tried this before with car engines, adding a water injection
point
> > on the manifold and the performance improves as does the fuel economy.
> Only
> > trouble is it rusts and buggers the engines:o(
>
> I've seen 'em rusted Phil, but I've never seen one buggered. Only a small
> bloke could manage that successfully, but why he'd try is anyone's guess
:-)
>
>
Ohh I dunno, depends on the height of the jacks and the size of the
exhaust;o)

Phil Martin.



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Average Heli Person
Oct 02, 2003, 04:01 AM
"Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Philip Martin" <philip.martin1@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:ble3ge$aab7r$1@ID-129488.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> > > > trouble is it rusts and buggers the engines:o(
> > >
> > > I've seen 'em rusted Phil, but I've never seen one buggered. Only a
> small
> > > bloke could manage that successfully, but why he'd try is anyone's
guess
> > :-)
> > >
> > >
> > Ohh I dunno, depends on the height of the jacks and the size of the
> > exhaust;o)
>
> Remember what happened to Prince Charlie? He burnt his lips when he gave a
> Princess a bit of oral. :-)

How's that? Did she have tabasco sauce on her fanny?



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Flierbk
Oct 02, 2003, 04:01 AM
Theoretically the most power is obtained with cold temperatures and low
humidity.

Bill

"POP_Server=pop.clara.net" <paulherbert@clara.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1064857650.38960.0@dyke.uk.clara.net...
> On flying in the back field tonight at around 6pm the air was cold and
damp,
> would this cause the performance of the engine to alter? The reason I say
> this is that the engine has never responded so well before and the weather
> is the only thing I can put it down to.
>
> Regards
> Paul H.
>
>

Philip Henderson
Oct 03, 2003, 04:01 AM
"Average Heli Person" <notellin@ya.com> wrote in message
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> "Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
> news:dtFeb.422431$Ji7.4612834@news.easynews.com...
> >
> > "Philip Martin" <philip.martin1@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > news:ble3ge$aab7r$1@ID-129488.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > > > > trouble is it rusts and buggers the engines:o(
> > > >
> > > > I've seen 'em rusted Phil, but I've never seen one buggered. Only a
> > small
> > > > bloke could manage that successfully, but why he'd try is anyone's
> guess
> > > :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Ohh I dunno, depends on the height of the jacks and the size of the
> > > exhaust;o)
> >
> > Remember what happened to Prince Charlie? He burnt his lips when he gave
a
> > Princess a bit of oral. :-)
>
> How's that? Did she have tabasco sauce on her fanny?
>
>

Princess was the name of a car long, long, long ago.

Phil.

>
> --
>
> John
>
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>
>

Philip Martin
Oct 03, 2003, 04:01 AM
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> > "Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:dtFeb.422431$Ji7.4612834@news.easynews.com...
> > >
> > > "Philip Martin" <philip.martin1@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ble3ge$aab7r$1@ID-129488.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > >
> > > > > > trouble is it rusts and buggers the engines:o(
> > > > >
> > > > > I've seen 'em rusted Phil, but I've never seen one buggered. Only
a
> > > small
> > > > > bloke could manage that successfully, but why he'd try is anyone's
> > guess
> > > > :-)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Ohh I dunno, depends on the height of the jacks and the size of the
> > > > exhaust;o)
> > >
> > > Remember what happened to Prince Charlie? He burnt his lips when he
gave
> a
> > > Princess a bit of oral. :-)
> >
> > How's that? Did she have tabasco sauce on her fanny?
> >
> >
>
> Princess was the name of a car long, long, long ago.
>
> Phil.
>
Ahh you spoilt the visualisation there;o)

These young'uns, I duno, just what would they do with a box of OMO!!??

Phil Martin.



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Beav
Oct 03, 2003, 04:01 AM
"Philip Martin" <philip.martin1@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> "Philip Henderson" <philipnospamhenderson@btnospamconnect.com> wrote in
> message news:blgnmu$786$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
> > "Average Heli Person" <notellin@ya.com> wrote in message
> > news:gOGeb.6235$7F7.51325120@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > "Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
> > > news:dtFeb.422431$Ji7.4612834@news.easynews.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Philip Martin" <philip.martin1@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:ble3ge$aab7r$1@ID-129488.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > >
> > > > > > > trouble is it rusts and buggers the engines:o(
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've seen 'em rusted Phil, but I've never seen one buggered.
Only
> a
> > > > small
> > > > > > bloke could manage that successfully, but why he'd try is
anyone's
> > > guess
> > > > > :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > Ohh I dunno, depends on the height of the jacks and the size of
the
> > > > > exhaust;o)
> > > >
> > > > Remember what happened to Prince Charlie? He burnt his lips when he
> gave
> > a
> > > > Princess a bit of oral. :-)
> > >
> > > How's that? Did she have tabasco sauce on her fanny?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Princess was the name of a car long, long, long ago.
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> Ahh you spoilt the visualisation there;o)
>
> These young'uns, I duno, just what would they do with a box of OMO!!??

Well they wouldn't use it for washing owt with :-)


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