Anyone want to perform a glow conversion?

[steelhead]

Anyone want to test a couple proven electric foam kits sized SPEED 400 as .049 planes?

We need some people to do a "GLOW CONVERSION" on some kits and give us some feedback-

Foamy construction and experience helpful


Dean@steelheadproducts.com

[RiBell]

What kits did you have in mind?
I've got a GWS Zero that was a didapointment and I've been toying with the idea of tossing my Norvel 0.061 in it.
Rick

[BillH]

Would the glow fuel melt that foam?

[Bud Morrison]

At our club we flew quite a few combat floyds with .10s on them and the fuel didnt seem to bother them at all. Granted most of them didnt survive real long :) Combating them was a blast.

[Aircombat J]

Glow fuel is safe on foam we have been designing/building foam models for three years now and it is far superior to balsa in its unplanned crash tests/repairability. The GWS zero and that range of models are moulded (somthing that would be nice to get into) and that gives the slightly harder skin on the exterior for a slight ding protection. We brown paper our bigger models but have had some success with covering smaller models in tape (sounds dodgy) but its fine, just like solarfilm. J

[steelhead]

The fuel doesnt seem to affect the foam much, especially if you give the bare foam areas a light skin of epoxy. Using Econokote also helps out a whole lot as the glues in the EKOTE are almost impermeable to glow fuel.

Battle Floyds, Ah yes. Those were a true testament to how fast and durable can a combat plane be- Huge success. Tape covering is fine for a plane that you are just planning to throw together- it's still my favorite form of covering for foamies. And its pretty duarble. But I would recommend for .049 planes- especially if there is no muffler- to iron on covering the whole plane.

A photo is here
http://members.aol.com/huntthehare/des400test.jpg
of one of the planes I need to see built .049 to .10
36 inch span, as seen in the photo is with a SPEED 400 electric (what it was designed for) Very sleek and super sturdy- as shown here it wasnt sheeted with balsa, but if you did sheet it it would be a super strong airframe. I dont shee thte electrics due to weight, but I know what the power of a COX Black Widow is and the NORVEL .061's would be a super thrust to weight ratio.
This would prove to be a super aerobatic plane- it already has with electric and we know what weights that adds up to with batteries and motor.
We think it will be a great club one design 1/2A pylon racer for a club contest and just need to prove everything by having them made by a couple of different modelers.

The testers have to follow a few guidlines and pay for shipping expenses of about 7 bucks. Plus they have to complete and test fly it in around 2 weeks.


Dean@steelheadproducts.com

[Bud Morrison]

Just out of curiosity will standard flight pack fit in the airframe?

[steelhead]

Oh yes, quite well. I used a standard 8 channel FUTABA for my radio- then used 3 HS 81's on sticks out of the fuse, but you could easily make your all inclusive- the aileron servos liw flat in the wing.

The width of the fuse foam is 2 inches, and you simply cut away the foam to place in your components. We have been using this technology for eons with the FOAMIES and it works great.

IF you sheet the sides fo the fuse with 1/16th balsa or use brown paper, you can almost get the full 2 inch inside width for use-

Dean@steelheadproducts.com

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Here is my GWS E-Starter with a Norvel .061 engine. It flys pretty good. It was crashed many times as an electric, so after the last crash broke the gear box, I decided to try glow.

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This was right before I put the throttle linkage in it. I mounted it inverted so I could put the cowl back on.

[Lynn S]

I would be glad to do a conversion with a Black Widow and a 2 channel Futaba radio. Not sure about 2 weeks, but it would be close.
Lynn S

[KeithLuneau]

I might be willing to try that, if I could use standard servos... I've got on hand a Black Widow (.049), and a Killer Bee (.051), as well as a Hornet .09 from AP. I too would probably pass up the 2 week deadline though :(

[RiBell]

Maybe I should pull the GWS Zero down and stick my Norvel 0.061 on it. It was my first attempt at a parkflyer and didn't care much for it.
Ditch the gear, glue the rudder on straight. maybe even some 0.6 oz fibreglass cloth with water based polyurethane?
Just need a couple of servo's and a Rx. All my radio gear have current home's right now.
Rick

[chris haberland]

Dean i have lots of information on converting the GWS Zero and ME109 to glow.The Zero flys fantastic with a .074.I have photos and discriptions of both these conversions,but they are on another forum.Im not sure if its okay to name that forum?.Chris.

[Bud Morrison]

Originally posted by chris haberland
Dean i have lots of information on converting the GWS Zero and ME109 to glow.The Zero flys fantastic with a .074.I have photos and discriptions of both these conversions,but they are on another forum.Im not sure if its okay to name that forum?.Chris.

Feel free to share the links as we have no problem with links to articles on other forums. Even though you may not be able to do the same on some of the other forum sites.

[AIR MOVER]

I have a Tee Dee 09 RC with a 2oz tank for run time ..plenty of micro servo's and such.... I would prob use a 4cell pack of 370mah cells to get a days flying out of the servo's ..... Is this plane set up as a 4ch? If not I will do the mods . Let me know if your still looking for beta testers..

[chris haberland]

Anyone interested in GWS conversions can find photos @ RC Universe.Some discussion also.Starting around page 8.Just look for my name chris haberland.Cant miss them, they were my first and last posts.If you have any questions feel free to ask.1/2 A allday.Chris.Ps i will be putting a Fora 15 in a Formula plane in the near future.Need for speed.

[daryl]

Get a Thunder Tiger .10 engine

[billsmithjr]

steelhead I don,t want to test your kits because I feel .49 has been over taken by electric and soon everyone will know it. However here is an idea , shrink wrap each component then the gaps are sealed during contruction and shrunk afterwards to seal out fuel. also apply a heat activated glue to each component before shrink wrap is applied.

[steelhead]

OK-
Thanks for the replies! We just finished the new website, and thats been taking up all of our time- it will be out if all goes well on the first of feb.

The plan is to pick 4 or 5 testers from all backgrounds and with different equipment, which sounds like we have right here!

As soon as the website is up, we will contact you and see if your still up to the task!

Thanks,
Dean@steelheadproducts.com

[steelhead]

PS-
I do feel that speed 400 has taken up a lot of the .049 market, but there are som many engines out there, and the thrust to weight ratio is so good with .049 (and you dont have to charge batts)

anywyas- What I am really doing is testing to see how well it goes, and to find what interest there is

Thanks,
Dean@steelheadproducts.com

[Andrew0820]

Originally posted by steelhead
PS-
I do feel that speed 400 has taken up a lot of the .049 market, but there are som many engines out there

I think if you will visit the 1/2A forum in RC Universe, you will find that the wet 1/2A market remains alive and is doing quite well. Somewhat unfortunately, many small model discussions end up as a "us versus them" argument when in fact both wet and e-power offer advantages unique to each. Until the introduction of the more powerful NORVEL carburated engines, the market was limited primarily to the few available COX engines with exhaust throttles. As with e-power, the wets have good throttle response too with choices of COX or NORVEL.

Do I fly e-power? No, but e-power has made significant strides in technology in the last 2 or 3 years. Lightweight NiMH and LiPo batteries with power and duration and motors that are efficient have opened up the hobby to quick and well performing planes.

Will I fly e-power in the near future? Not likely - but because I enjoy tinkering with recip engines, not due to the performance capabilities currently available in electrics. I suppose I still prefer the smell of hot castor to hot ozone (guess with brushless, you don't get the ozone either). :) The small planes have certainly benefited from light weight equipment and the elec. and wets can now truly enjoy flying outstanding performers rather than limping along on the edge of a stall or being restricted to 2 or 3 channels.

Andrew

[Bipe Flier]

Some people fly glow and some people fly electric. Some people use a PC and some people us a Mac. Some people like Coke and some people like Pepsi. Some people drive a Ford... etc.

Fly whatever turns your crank (or commutator as the case may be) and have fun.

[steelhead]

I fly both!

The new website is up- www.steelheadproducts.com
This project is coming along- I will post when I have some planes ready to ship out.

Dean@steelheadproducts.com

[Alexis_Ruiz]

I have converted a wattage odyssey with a norvel .049, flies decently fast and is 4 channels, currently building a wattage tangent with a.074, will glass the foam wing and tail feathers, will basically be an all glass plane

Alexis

[Eclipse_7]

Here is my spd 400 to glow conversion.

[Eclipse_7]

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[mosquitowings]

I've got a micro setup and .049/ .10 engines just looking for a cool ride, if you need more testers, I can meet your time line.
Jim:D

[smokin1]

Originally posted by Eclipse_7
Here is my spd 400 to glow conversion.


Hey Eclipse_7,
I have a Miss Marovia, apparently produced by the same manufacturer that made your speed 400 conversion. I was thinking about putting a Norvel .061 RC on mine. It could definately use the extra power as the electric power is very marginal. How does yours perform as a gasser?

[steelhead]

Finally the new CNC machine is up in place of the old one- Now I finally have some time to send out more kits. Thanks for all the interest in this project- looks like we will have quite a plethora of different engines and radios etc.

Thanks,
Dean

[Eclipse_7]

sorry smokin1 for the slow reply, I just got back from England. I had origionally tried an os .15 with 3 standard servos. I found that setup was a bit too heavy for the Miss2. After I rebuilt after the .15 stalled I put my norvel .061 and 3 mini servos in. The performance is a great improvement over the stock 400. Its about twice as fast yet can still slow to land.

[putt_13]

Hello,
I have a new .15 engine or .061 engine, micro servos, and a fuel tank ready for a new home. I am more than willing to contruct a kit. I will put it through it's paces, and write some insightful comments on how it flew with glow, etc. Then, I may glass the wings, and use it for combat, to see how it performs. So, are there anymore kits that you need to be converted to glow.

Thank you
Patrick Jones

[smokin1]

sorry smokin1 for the slow reply, I just got back from England. I had origionally tried an os .15 with 3 standard servos. I found that setup was a bit too heavy for the Miss2. After I rebuilt after the .15 stalled I put my norvel .061 and 3 mini servos in. The performance is a great improvement over the stock 400. Its about twice as fast yet can still slow to land.

Thanks for the information, I will have to give that combo a try on my conversion. :)

[steelhead]

There are always projects I need done, just right now I have to pay atteniton tot he other 20 i got half way done.

When I have some kits to send out- I wil notify on this thread

Thanks for the interest.
Right now I have a bunch of CLARK Y airfoils and SD6060 wing cores to sell- anyone need any of those? PM me and I'll send you the link to my website. I was testing stuff on my CNC machine last month and ended up with about 40 extra cores to make sure a modification worked out ok. It did.

DEan

[roberthokinson]

What models do you have for the .10 or .15 glow engines?

[Patxipt]

Hello everyone!

I have bought a Graupner BO 209 Monsun a couple of days ago ( https://shop.graupner.de/webuerp/servlet/AI?ARTN=6241 ) to convert to glow.
Now, I'm leaning towards my ASP 12A or a Spitfire diesel (no exhaust). On the other hand, I'm affraid I'll be putting a lot of power on the airframe, so a Norvel .061 or an AP isn't out of the question.
This airplane, in electric form uses a geared speed 400 motor and 8 cell.
I like pattern flying with an occasional roll, but mostly calm, leisure flying.

Thanks for any input!