The Peonix 25 w/ car program

[havy]

Hello Patric and Brenda,

There are many people anxiously awaiting this controller w/ the car program. I ordered mine from Mathew w/o knowing it wasn't out, not even the prop brake one.

Anyway, when do you expect it out?

thanks,
havy

[rcwyant]

hopefully VERY SOON!

[Shawn Palmer]

We're looking at early August for a full-on release.

Stay tuned here for more news soon.

Shawn Palmer
CC Product Specialist
www.castlecreations.com

[havy]

In that case, does the airplane esc have breaks?
how well do they work if they do. You see, I ordered the RZ-MICRO combo from Mathew at Razor last month, he said it would be out in a couple of weeks. I think I will just get the Airplane esc for now. Would it be possible to change for the Car program or upgrade it later?

havy

[Shawn Palmer]

havy,

Brakes: Yes, either soft or hard, but not proportional like the car version

How well do they work: not at all w/a pistol grip radio (endpoint issue) but will function w/a stick radio.

Upgrade: You may upgade to the car program at a later date - no problem (there will be a reprogramming charge of course).

Shawn

[havy]

OK, so no brakes on this set up either? I only have the pistol grip radio, how could I modify it to work? If possilbe. I'm going to get the airplane esc. I bougth the combo so long ago and mathew is so hard to get a hold of, that I don't want to loose my money on this deal.

havy

[Shawn Palmer]

The only chance of getting it to work, is holding the throttle in the full "brake" position (lowest throttle) at start-up to arm the controller. But, the throttle position when the trigger is in neutral will be about 1/3 power on - not coasting like normal.

The real issue is that most pistol grip radios don't have a wide enough throttle range to arm the controller.

Shawn

[havy]

i could give that a try, then just set the throttle trim back or something.

thanks

[havy]

I must say that I agree w/ RCwyant on the other post, if the reverse gives so much trouble, drop it. And get the break working, that is vital, reverse is a luxury and can't be used fro racing anyways.

havy

[havy]

There are alot of people watching this product, I am sure I am not the only one waiting. It would be benificial to have this prod out soon for you and Mathew, this could be the next revolution in micro cars and potentially giving you the opprtunity to corner the market in the US.

just a thought
havy

[havy]

Hey Shawn, i spoke to Mathew and told him about the esc. I will be recieving the Airplane esc instead.

But I would like to know if you have considered the "Dropping rev and Making it with brakes for pistol grip radios". Considering that this would speed up the release.

If that the case, I would not try to use the Airplane and send it infor the brake version.

or if it were programable via usb, just get the program and cable?

havy

[Shawn Palmer]

reverse is a luxury and can't be used for racing anyways.
Explain the above for me please? I've been out of car competition for some time - is reverse illegal now? If so, it won't be in the software.

Let me explain a little further on the release date -
Patrick's not working out bugs or anything, we've just got other engineering projects going on simultaneously right now, and he just needs a few uninterrupted days to finish up the car controller.

Other curent projects:
7 channel full range micro rx 1/3 the size of a 555
4 channel full range micro rx about the size of a pixie 20
and some secret stuff

We FULLY realize how well we're positioned in the micro-car market, and are busting our buns to get this out to the public as soon as possible!

Please don't take this as being defensive - just giving you the true scoop on what's going on, and when to expect the highest quality products!

Shawn

[havy]

Well, truth be told, there is no sactioned governing body over micro racing. But most tracks adopt the basic regulations that are present for other categories. There is no reverse in car racing because reversing out of a situation, you may get in the way of other traffic. Corner workers are usually there to get you out of the situation, if the car flips, facing the wall, etc.

I must say that yes, reverse is desierable, and by no means should that future plan be changed. But if you can get a version to work w/ brakes. You will definitely sell the RZ-MICRO combo w/ your esc... as MANY people are waiting for this prod.

I live in PR, most people here that run the micro also run the Nitro 1/10 sedans, we run the micros on 1/10th scale tracks. We have found that these micros are capable of serious speed and controlability. My friends are all waiting to see the brushless in action, as we're already running on speed 400 motors and expect at least similar speed, with lighter, better handeling cars and good run times.

Believe me, the esc would get you guys going in a early booming market.
That's just where I live. Check the Micro forums, do searches on the Razor motor combo. People are waiting for + feedback. www.Yourmicro.com , www.One18th.com

havy

[havy]

Shawn,
YGM
havy

[Shawn Palmer]

"YGM"?

wassat?
Shawn

[havy]

you got mail

havy

[havy]

he he...:-)

[Shawn Palmer]

I'm not showing anything - where did it go to?

I'm waiting on shawn@castlecreations.com to be activated, and using spalmer@rcgroups.com right now.

Shawn

[havy]

OK, I will email you there.. hold on...
I hand sent it too CC, where Brenda usually answers care of Shawn Palmer.
I'll resend

havy

[Shawn Palmer]

Got it- sorry for the delay, we're still setting up my mail and all the "little things" here.

Shawn

[havy]

no prob:)

let me know what you think.

havy

[jwgilliand2]

Havy, if anyone can convince a brushless motor behave itself in a car it's these guys, but don't hold your breath. I've tryed several experiments and concluded that the only type of brushless that will work in a car is one with optical feedback. Controllers that require EMF back thru power leads get confused when they get no signal back because the rotor won't make that first jiggle if there's a pebble right up against the tire. Brushless motors are like jet turbines and don't really like stopping completely.

[parttime]

sensorless motors work great in cars or trucks the main problem is the fact that all us car guys have pistol type radios. i currently run a 8xl sensorless with 18 cells in my emaxx and 2 novak hv's(sensored)wont touch this setup. i also a an 8s and 9 cell setup for my rustler.the ss5800 might as well b a rs540 mabuchi.if u do it right u dont get any cogging or very little.

[Bernie Wolfard]

jwgilliand2 & parttime,

I don't mean to be a smart ass but where have you guys been? This post is 2 years old. Our Mamba systems, 25 amp ESC with matching motors, has been out for almost 2 years. This post was referring to our development work on the Mamba system. Since then Mambas have been blowing peoples minds as a drop in 60 mph hop up for 18th scale with start up performance and drive ability as good as any brushed system. We have been working on transferring this technology to 10th scale. There have been lots of technical hurdles with this but we will have 10th scale car systems that will literally blow you away!

Bernie

[Andy W]

I've tryed several experiments and concluded that the only type of brushless that will work in a car is one with optical feedback.

.. then you haven't tried very hard. My Micro Street Force (http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4414) is INSANE with the Castle Mamba controller and motor combo (5400kV).. :D I ought to capture some video...

Still waiting for the big controller for my Hacker-equipped E-MAXX, but the Phoenix 80 I have in there is working "ok" (just no brake)..
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[jwgilliand2]

It was longer ago than two years that i was playing reinvent the 1/10 scale wheel. I had this 4 wheel drive, 4 wheel steering, "way" off road car called a mugen bulldog. It got terrible milage, about 12 scale miles./ mabuchi motor. So i decided it needed a brushless. It was a few experiments before it worked. It took a Maxcim max 15 (2470 rpm/V and "Y" wound) About 4 times the power you're supposed to put in a one pound 1/10 scale. But that was the only sensored brushless i had. And that's what made it work where the others wouldn't. And it came out heavy! The motor and controller were almost a pound, and needed a pound and a half of these batterys in round steel cans. I think they were called nicads.LOL

[jwgilliand2]

BTW check this http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=410326
It's good for a chuckle.

[Hovertime]

Still waiting for the big controller for my Hacker-equipped E-MAXX, but the Phoenix 80 I have in there is working "ok" (just no brake)..
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My emaxx is still humming on stock Titans... why not use Phoenix brake? overheats?