Tyco Rebound Transmitter hacks? Alternative CHEEP recommendations?

[tobinnospamfamily@attbi.com]

Okay, I know this is a toy and you guys are way past this, but the Tyco
Rebound is the ticket for my application due to it's ability to rollover and
keep going. Ultra precise inputs aren't necessary, but 200-300 foot range
is needed, vs the 65 foot (or so) that it has now.

I have basic soldering skills and some basic understanding of electronic
theory, but no idea of how to design cicuits, calculate needed values etc.

As an option, is there a cheap transmitter in 27 or 49 MHz bands that I
could use with a little set up time and no hacking?

Thanks!

Matt

[Ed Cregger]

It would be unlawful to do what you are proposing.

Ed Cregger


"tobinnospamfamily@attbi.com" <tobinnospamfamily@home.com> wrote in message
news:tVnHa.964002$OV.1069243@rwcrnsc54...
> Okay, I know this is a toy and you guys are way past this, but the Tyco
> Rebound is the ticket for my application due to it's ability to rollover
and
> keep going. Ultra precise inputs aren't necessary, but 200-300 foot range
> is needed, vs the 65 foot (or so) that it has now.
>
> I have basic soldering skills and some basic understanding of electronic
> theory, but no idea of how to design cicuits, calculate needed values
etc.
>
> As an option, is there a cheap transmitter in 27 or 49 MHz bands that I
> could use with a little set up time and no hacking?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Matt
>
>
>

[Bousch]

I'll sell you for $30 delivered a Hitec radio that they use for boats/cars.
Transmitter works great and the receiver is now getting serviced by Hitec.

It's also illegal, but I don't care what you do with it.


"tobinnospamfamily@attbi.com" <tobinnospamfamily@home.com> wrote in message
news:tVnHa.964002$OV.1069243@rwcrnsc54...
> Okay, I know this is a toy and you guys are way past this, but the Tyco
> Rebound is the ticket for my application due to it's ability to rollover
and
> keep going. Ultra precise inputs aren't necessary, but 200-300 foot range
> is needed, vs the 65 foot (or so) that it has now.
>
> I have basic soldering skills and some basic understanding of electronic
> theory, but no idea of how to design cicuits, calculate needed values
etc.
>
> As an option, is there a cheap transmitter in 27 or 49 MHz bands that I
> could use with a little set up time and no hacking?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Matt
>
>

[tobinnospamfamily@attbi.com]

Hmmm.

I guess buying a cheap transmitter in 27 or 49 MHz bands would be illegal
too...

Thanks!

MT


"Ed Cregger" <ecregger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:15oHa.50866$Io.4805717@newsread2.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
> It would be unlawful to do what you are proposing.
>
> Ed Cregger
>
>
> "tobinnospamfamily@attbi.com" <tobinnospamfamily@home.com> wrote in
message
> news:tVnHa.964002$OV.1069243@rwcrnsc54...
> > Okay, I know this is a toy and you guys are way past this, but the Tyco
> > Rebound is the ticket for my application due to it's ability to rollover
> and
> > keep going. Ultra precise inputs aren't necessary, but 200-300 foot
range
> > is needed, vs the 65 foot (or so) that it has now.
> >
> > I have basic soldering skills and some basic understanding of electronic
> > theory, but no idea of how to design cicuits, calculate needed values
> etc.
> >
> > As an option, is there a cheap transmitter in 27 or 49 MHz bands that I
> > could use with a little set up time and no hacking?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Ed Cregger]

I doubt that buying another Tx on 49 MHz would do you any good, as max power
output would be the same, regardless of the shape of the gadget.

You might have better luck on 27 MHz, but the competition there can be
fearce.

I am assuming you are in the US.

What is this device anyway?

Ed Cregger



"tobinnospamfamily@attbi.com" <tobinnospamfamily@home.com> wrote in message
news:8ipHa.696189$Si4.809756@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att .net...
> Hmmm.
>
> I guess buying a cheap transmitter in 27 or 49 MHz bands would be illegal
> too...
>
> Thanks!
>
> MT
>
>
> "Ed Cregger" <ecregger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:15oHa.50866$Io.4805717@newsread2.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
> > It would be unlawful to do what you are proposing.
> >
> > Ed Cregger
> >
> >
> > "tobinnospamfamily@attbi.com" <tobinnospamfamily@home.com> wrote in
> message
> > news:tVnHa.964002$OV.1069243@rwcrnsc54...
> > > Okay, I know this is a toy and you guys are way past this, but the
Tyco
> > > Rebound is the ticket for my application due to it's ability to
rollover
> > and
> > > keep going. Ultra precise inputs aren't necessary, but 200-300 foot
> range
> > > is needed, vs the 65 foot (or so) that it has now.
> > >
> > > I have basic soldering skills and some basic understanding of
electronic
> > > theory, but no idea of how to design cicuits, calculate needed values
> > etc.
> > >
> > > As an option, is there a cheap transmitter in 27 or 49 MHz bands that
I
> > > could use with a little set up time and no hacking?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>

[Ed Cregger]

I knew fearce did not look right when I typed it, but...

Substitute fierce. Tnx.

Ed Cregger


"Ed Cregger" <ecregger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cAxHa.51518$Io.4885219@newsread2.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
> I doubt that buying another Tx on 49 MHz would do you any good, as max
power
> output would be the same, regardless of the shape of the gadget.
>
> You might have better luck on 27 MHz, but the competition there can be
> fearce.
>
> I am assuming you are in the US.
>
> What is this device anyway?
>
> Ed Cregger
>
>
>
> "tobinnospamfamily@attbi.com" <tobinnospamfamily@home.com> wrote in
message
> news:8ipHa.696189$Si4.809756@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att .net...
> > Hmmm.
> >
> > I guess buying a cheap transmitter in 27 or 49 MHz bands would be
illegal
> > too...
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > MT
> >
> >
> > "Ed Cregger" <ecregger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:15oHa.50866$Io.4805717@newsread2.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
> > > It would be unlawful to do what you are proposing.
> > >
> > > Ed Cregger
> > >
> > >
> > > "tobinnospamfamily@attbi.com" <tobinnospamfamily@home.com> wrote in
> > message
> > > news:tVnHa.964002$OV.1069243@rwcrnsc54...
> > > > Okay, I know this is a toy and you guys are way past this, but the
> Tyco
> > > > Rebound is the ticket for my application due to it's ability to
> rollover
> > > and
> > > > keep going. Ultra precise inputs aren't necessary, but 200-300 foot
> > range
> > > > is needed, vs the 65 foot (or so) that it has now.
> > > >
> > > > I have basic soldering skills and some basic understanding of
> electronic
> > > > theory, but no idea of how to design cicuits, calculate needed
values
> > > etc.
> > > >
> > > > As an option, is there a cheap transmitter in 27 or 49 MHz bands
that
> I
> > > > could use with a little set up time and no hacking?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

[tobinnospamfamily@attbi.com]

It's a three wheeled "car" that runs either right side up or upside down.
Big air filled front tire that can take some serious impact <I've read of
three-story drops> with nary a scratch. Go to:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000067Q3F/104-2877857-1506315?v=glance&s=toys&me=A3UN6WX5RRO2AG&vi=pictures&img=1#more-pictures

Could you recommend a cheap 27 mhz radio?

Thanks,

Matt


"Ed Cregger" <ecregger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:o%yHa.47372$rO.4692764@newsread1.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
> I knew fearce did not look right when I typed it, but...
>
> Substitute fierce. Tnx.
>
> Ed Cregger
>
>
> "Ed Cregger" <ecregger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cAxHa.51518$Io.4885219@newsread2.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
> > I doubt that buying another Tx on 49 MHz would do you any good, as max
> power
> > output would be the same, regardless of the shape of the gadget.
> >
> > You might have better luck on 27 MHz, but the competition there can be
> > fearce.
> >
> > I am assuming you are in the US.
> >
> > What is this device anyway?
> >
> > Ed Cregger
> >
> >
> >
> > "tobinnospamfamily@attbi.com" <tobinnospamfamily@home.com> wrote in
> message
> > news:8ipHa.696189$Si4.809756@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att .net...
> > > Hmmm.
> > >
> > > I guess buying a cheap transmitter in 27 or 49 MHz bands would be
> illegal
> > > too...
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > MT
> > >
> > >
> > > "Ed Cregger" <ecregger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:15oHa.50866$Io.4805717@newsread2.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
> > > > It would be unlawful to do what you are proposing.
> > > >
> > > > Ed Cregger
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "tobinnospamfamily@attbi.com" <tobinnospamfamily@home.com> wrote in
> > > message
> > > > news:tVnHa.964002$OV.1069243@rwcrnsc54...
> > > > > Okay, I know this is a toy and you guys are way past this, but the
> > Tyco
> > > > > Rebound is the ticket for my application due to it's ability to
> > rollover
> > > > and
> > > > > keep going. Ultra precise inputs aren't necessary, but 200-300
foot
> > > range
> > > > > is needed, vs the 65 foot (or so) that it has now.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have basic soldering skills and some basic understanding of
> > electronic
> > > > > theory, but no idea of how to design cicuits, calculate needed
> values
> > > > etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > As an option, is there a cheap transmitter in 27 or 49 MHz bands
> that
> > I
> > > > > could use with a little set up time and no hacking?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Matt
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Tachikaze]

Ok Here is the story on a unit like this.
The cheap version of a 27 or 49 mHz transmitter has a limited range. It is made that way and it is suppose to stay that way.
I am in the process of attempting to increase the range of the Micro X- Tank and will let you know if I figure something out that works.
The problem with attempting to obtain another transmitter that is on the same frequency but with a greater range, is that it may be more of a hit and miss attempt to make it work.
I attempted to match my Traxxas E- Maxx transmitter to the frequency of the tank, it did not work.
The transmitter of both units have a IC ( intergrated circuit) that sends out a pulsed signal on the frequency given ( 27 or 49). The receiver in the unit is set to interput that pulsed frequency to produce a series of commands that move the vehicle.
You may be on the same frequency and the same channel of that frequency ( 27 has 6 operating channels), but unless the receiver is set to interput the pulsed out put of the tranmitter ( as they were set up at the factory) you will get either partial or no function at all.
You could potentially use a more powerful transmitter from a better piece of equipment like the Traxxas E-Maxx, but you would need to test it up against the Tyco unit to see if the pulse frequencies match. If they do not the only way to make it work would be to retune the receiver or to change out the IC of the transmitter. Either way it is not worth the time or effort to make this work.
You could place in a new receiver, but since the unit is constructed so that the circuit board acts as a speed control and a receiver you would have to remove that circuit board, replace it with a receiver and an ESC and then hope that the steering mechanism is not done by magnet so you can use a servo to steer.
There is another way to do this and that is the function that I am working on now to alter. If I find a way to do this ( not this weekend, but the weekend of the 26th) I will post it here.
Phil

[Mathew Kirsch]

"Bousch" <Ziggy57345@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<MqoHa.84055$MJ5.79514@fed1read03>...
> I'll sell you for $30 delivered a Hitec radio that they use for boats/cars.
> Transmitter works great and the receiver is now getting serviced by Hitec.
>
> It's also illegal, but I don't care what you do with it.

How's it illegal? A "real" 75MHz transmitter would have the range
without having to make modifications to the transmitter. Wiring up the
receiver to the car may be a problem, but you can do anything you want
to a receiver as long as your modifications don't turn it into a
transmitter.

[Boyd Leake]

It's an all terrain land vehicle R/C thingy....big wheels, etc....

BL

"Ed Cregger" <ecregger@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<o%yHa.47372$rO.4692764@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlin k.net>...
> I knew fearce did not look right when I typed it, but...
>
> Substitute fierce. Tnx.
>
> Ed Cregger
>
>
> "Ed Cregger" <ecregger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cAxHa.51518$Io.4885219@newsread2.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
> > I doubt that buying another Tx on 49 MHz would do you any good, as max
> power
> > output would be the same, regardless of the shape of the gadget.
> >
> > You might have better luck on 27 MHz, but the competition there can be
> > fearce.
> >
> > I am assuming you are in the US.
> >
> > What is this device anyway?
> >
> > Ed Cregger
> >
> >
> >
> > "tobinnospamfamily@attbi.com" <tobinnospamfamily@home.com> wrote in
> message
> > news:8ipHa.696189$Si4.809756@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att .net...
> > > Hmmm.
> > >
> > > I guess buying a cheap transmitter in 27 or 49 MHz bands would be
> illegal
> > > too...
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > MT
> > >
> > >
> > > "Ed Cregger" <ecregger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:15oHa.50866$Io.4805717@newsread2.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
> > > > It would be unlawful to do what you are proposing.
> > > >
> > > > Ed Cregger
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "tobinnospamfamily@attbi.com" <tobinnospamfamily@home.com> wrote in
> message
> > > > news:tVnHa.964002$OV.1069243@rwcrnsc54...
> > > > > Okay, I know this is a toy and you guys are way past this, but the
> Tyco
> > > > > Rebound is the ticket for my application due to it's ability to
> rollover
> and
> > > > > keep going. Ultra precise inputs aren't necessary, but 200-300 foot
> range
> > > > > is needed, vs the 65 foot (or so) that it has now.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have basic soldering skills and some basic understanding of
> electronic
> > > > > theory, but no idea of how to design cicuits, calculate needed
> values
> etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > As an option, is there a cheap transmitter in 27 or 49 MHz bands
> that
> I
> > > > > could use with a little set up time and no hacking?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Matt
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >

[Ed Cregger]

Thanks for the explanation.

Ed Cregger


"tobinnospamfamily@attbi.com" <tobinnospamfamily@home.com> wrote in message
news:UPzHa.700804$Si4.820572@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att .net...
> It's a three wheeled "car" that runs either right side up or upside down.
> Big air filled front tire that can take some serious impact <I've read of
> three-story drops> with nary a scratch. Go to:
>
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000067Q3F/104-2877857-1506315?v=glance&s=toys&me=A3UN6WX5RRO2AG&vi=pictures&img=1#more-pictures
>
> Could you recommend a cheap 27 mhz radio?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt
>
>
> "Ed Cregger" <ecregger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:o%yHa.47372$rO.4692764@newsread1.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
> > I knew fearce did not look right when I typed it, but...
> >
> > Substitute fierce. Tnx.
> >
> > Ed Cregger
> >
> >
> > "Ed Cregger" <ecregger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:cAxHa.51518$Io.4885219@newsread2.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
> > > I doubt that buying another Tx on 49 MHz would do you any good, as max
> > power
> > > output would be the same, regardless of the shape of the gadget.
> > >
> > > You might have better luck on 27 MHz, but the competition there can be
> > > fearce.
> > >
> > > I am assuming you are in the US.
> > >
> > > What is this device anyway?
> > >
> > > Ed Cregger
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "tobinnospamfamily@attbi.com" <tobinnospamfamily@home.com> wrote in
> > message
> > > news:8ipHa.696189$Si4.809756@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att .net...
> > > > Hmmm.
> > > >
> > > > I guess buying a cheap transmitter in 27 or 49 MHz bands would be
> > illegal
> > > > too...
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > MT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Ed Cregger" <ecregger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:15oHa.50866$Io.4805717@newsread2.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
> > > > > It would be unlawful to do what you are proposing.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ed Cregger
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "tobinnospamfamily@attbi.com" <tobinnospamfamily@home.com> wrote
in
> > > > message
> > > > > news:tVnHa.964002$OV.1069243@rwcrnsc54...
> > > > > > Okay, I know this is a toy and you guys are way past this, but
the
> > > Tyco
> > > > > > Rebound is the ticket for my application due to it's ability to
> > > rollover
> > > > > and
> > > > > > keep going. Ultra precise inputs aren't necessary, but 200-300
> foot
> > > > range
> > > > > > is needed, vs the 65 foot (or so) that it has now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have basic soldering skills and some basic understanding of
> > > electronic
> > > > > > theory, but no idea of how to design cicuits, calculate needed
> > values
> > > > > etc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As an option, is there a cheap transmitter in 27 or 49 MHz
bands
> > that
> > > I
> > > > > > could use with a little set up time and no hacking?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Matt
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>

[Ed Cregger]

This is the best way to go. I agree with Mathew.

Ed Cregger


"Mathew Kirsch" <mkirsch1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:d6bf3430.0306170317.28dd7810@posting.google.c om...
> "Bousch" <Ziggy57345@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<MqoHa.84055$MJ5.79514@fed1read03>...
> > I'll sell you for $30 delivered a Hitec radio that they use for
boats/cars.
> > Transmitter works great and the receiver is now getting serviced by
Hitec.
> >
> > It's also illegal, but I don't care what you do with it.
>
> How's it illegal? A "real" 75MHz transmitter would have the range
> without having to make modifications to the transmitter. Wiring up the
> receiver to the car may be a problem, but you can do anything you want
> to a receiver as long as your modifications don't turn it into a
> transmitter.
>

[Johnboy]

I have a simple solution, send me an Email.

"Tachikaze" <Tachikaze.p7lyl@rcgroups.com> wrote in message
news:Tachikaze.p7lyl@rcgroups.com...
>
> Ok Here is the story on a unit like this.
> The cheap version of a 27 or 49 mHz transmitter has a limited range.
> It is made that way and it is suppose to stay that way.
> I am in the process of attempting to increase the range of the Micro
> X- Tank and will let you know if I figure something out that works.
> The problem with attempting to obtain another transmitter that is on
> the same frequency but with a greater range, is that it may be more
of
> a hit and miss attempt to make it work.
> I attempted to match my Traxxas E- Maxx transmitter to the frequency
> of the tank, it did not work.
> The transmitter of both units have a IC ( intergrated circuit) that
> sends out a pulsed signal on the frequency given ( 27 or 49). The
> receiver in the unit is set to interput that pulsed frequency to
> produce a series of commands that move the vehicle.
> You may be on the same frequency and the same channel of that
> frequency ( 27 has 6 operating channels), but unless the receiver is
> set to interput the pulsed out put of the tranmitter ( as they were
set
> up at the factory) you will get either partial or no function at
all.
> You could potentially use a more powerful transmitter from a better
> piece of equipment like the Traxxas E-Maxx, but you would need to
test
> it up against the Tyco unit to see if the pulse frequencies match.
If
> they do not the only way to make it work would be to retune the
> receiver or to change out the IC of the transmitter. Either way it
is
> not worth the time or effort to make this work.
> You could place in a new receiver, but since the unit is constructed
> so that the circuit board acts as a speed control and a receiver you
> would have to remove that circuit board, replace it with a receiver
and
> an ESC and then hope that the steering mechanism is not done by
magnet
> so you can use a servo to steer.
> There is another way to do this and that is the function that I am
> working on now to alter. If I find a way to do this ( not this
weekend,
> but the weekend of the 26th) I will post it here.
> Phil
>
>
> --
> Tachikaze
>
> Tachikaze
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[tobinnospamfamily@attbi.com]

Thanks for the follow-up. I'm sure you've seen this, but...
http://members.aol.com/rchelicam/microszr/microszr.htm but this guy took a
"zip-zap" radio and hacked it to improve range from about 25' to over 200'.

Let me know what you discover?

TIA,

Matt

"Tachikaze" <Tachikaze.p7lyl@rcgroups.com> wrote in message
news:Tachikaze.p7lyl@rcgroups.com...
>
> Ok Here is the story on a unit like this.
> The cheap version of a 27 or 49 mHz transmitter has a limited range.
> It is made that way and it is suppose to stay that way.
> I am in the process of attempting to increase the range of the Micro
> X- Tank and will let you know if I figure something out that works.
> The problem with attempting to obtain another transmitter that is on
> the same frequency but with a greater range, is that it may be more of
> a hit and miss attempt to make it work.
> I attempted to match my Traxxas E- Maxx transmitter to the frequency
> of the tank, it did not work.
> The transmitter of both units have a IC ( intergrated circuit) that
> sends out a pulsed signal on the frequency given ( 27 or 49). The
> receiver in the unit is set to interput that pulsed frequency to
> produce a series of commands that move the vehicle.
> You may be on the same frequency and the same channel of that
> frequency ( 27 has 6 operating channels), but unless the receiver is
> set to interput the pulsed out put of the tranmitter ( as they were set
> up at the factory) you will get either partial or no function at all.
> You could potentially use a more powerful transmitter from a better
> piece of equipment like the Traxxas E-Maxx, but you would need to test
> it up against the Tyco unit to see if the pulse frequencies match. If
> they do not the only way to make it work would be to retune the
> receiver or to change out the IC of the transmitter. Either way it is
> not worth the time or effort to make this work.
> You could place in a new receiver, but since the unit is constructed
> so that the circuit board acts as a speed control and a receiver you
> would have to remove that circuit board, replace it with a receiver and
> an ESC and then hope that the steering mechanism is not done by magnet
> so you can use a servo to steer.
> There is another way to do this and that is the function that I am
> working on now to alter. If I find a way to do this ( not this weekend,
> but the weekend of the 26th) I will post it here.
> Phil
>
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