loudon
May 16, 2003, 06:59 PM
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Retired physict ,I would think a lot of life and passion went into getting
there and I sincerely congratulate you on that and I would assume many more
accomplishments have come your way along your chosen path and I should also
think we have all in some way benefited from it. As far as having a bad day,
well I am not I had a Cardiac Cath actually 2 on the 18th of last month so
in all honesty this is great I was born with it) and the old bundle is still
somewhere in the late 20's.I must also confess to having a slightly skewed
since of humor. If I get to close to offending you I really do apologize and
realy do mean it. Something about looking at the end in your 40's often
shakes things lose I am told
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From: owner-eflight@ezonemag.com [mailto:owner-eflight@ezonemag.com]On
Behalf Of loudon
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 2:14 PM
To: eflight@ezonemag.com
Subject: RE: [EFLT] RE: eflight-digest V1 #2011
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I did not take it as a flame job .You would be great to sit with and have a
great talk Van de Graff Generators are still discussed in American schools
,if that's not fame I am not sure what is. Everyone has some absolutely
wonderful things and then again those we try not to mention but isn't that
what school is partly for? The more I learn the better I like it !and
everyone has something they can teach someone. shoot even me !
This is not a flame you guy's are great and it would be a much lonelier
place with out you in it !
Scott
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From: owner-eflight@ezonemag.com [mailto:owner-eflight@ezonemag.com]On
Behalf Of Ken and Mary
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 6:43 PM
To: eflight@ezonemag.com
Subject: Re: [EFLT] RE: eflight-digest V1 #2011
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Hi Scott
This is also not a flame job. Sounds like you are having a bad day. My
Scots ancestors came from the borders, and had an even more combative
nature. I'll try to keep it under control, just for the moment.
I'm a retired physicist. I did not go to a US Navy tech school. I went to
a US Army tech school. You know what Navy techs think about Army techs.
Ditto, conversely. I took an undergraduate degree in the US, in Silicon
Valley. You may have heard of Hewlett and Packard who lived in the same
town.
For a century the surface charge effect has been studied by physicists,
including those in the US. remember the van de Graff generator, which was
used in the early particle accelerators. If that does not ring a bell,
there was a small one in the first Frankenstein movie. We certainly
considered the boundary conditions, which is probably what you call surface
flow.
After a lovely invitation of my local draft board, I spent two years in the
Army keeping those at sea safe from attack. To fulfill my duties, our Uncle
Sam spent enough training me to have paid for a PhD at a very expensive
university. I certainly understand how engineers and technicians think
about electricity.
I then went to graduate school at the newest university in the then
Bundesrepublic (not founded until 1504 AD). I also worked as a translator
of technical papers for researchers at CERN and Hessiches Landesamt, and for
a large firm that produces equipment for the chemical industry. I still
follow a few things in German. E flight is really big in Europe and GB. I
am unaware of any differences of theory about anything as old hat as
electron motion in macro conductors. It is only when you start making the
huge simplifications for engineers and technicians that strange provincial
thought patters begin to appear. Odd concepts such as "relaxation times"
are used instead of the speed of light in the conductor etc.
Are you are trying to relate the electron to an object like a BB or ball
bearing at the macro scale? The electron is a packet (a quantum) of
electro-magnetic energy with a dual nature. It is both a particle and a
wave. It does not even have a particular single location at any given time,
remember Herr Prof. Dr. Plank, Einstein, Schroedinger, and Heisenberg and
perhaps consider Drs. Bohr, Pauling(had to get one American in) and
Rutherford. Electrons are always in motion and are found everywhere with
variable probability. Electrons are much better described by quantum
mechanical considerations than by Newton's Laws. Do some reading on
electron behavior at cryogenic temperature and on superconductors at near
absolute zero (zero Kelvin), as well as the physics of semiconductors. It
will clear up the concept of electrons and their movement, commonly called
current.
As long as you are dealing with huge numbers of electrons and big fat
conductors over a hundredth of a millimeter in diameter, the engineering
approximations are good enough for engineering calculations, but are only an
expression of the net probabilities of the underlying physics.
Now on to something important, how many angels can dance on a quantum dot
being transported by a Litestick with Li Ion batteries on a night flight
toward the rising full moon as it goes into eclipse? We still have two
hours to come up with an angel detector for tonights event. And some people
think that we are looney! Hah! We really know how to enjoy a good
argument.
Enjoy!
Bye, Ken
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From: <RMckie3122@aol.com>
To: <eflight@ezonemag.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [EFLT] RE: eflight-digest V1 #2011
> This message from RMckie3122@aol.com brought to you by EFLIGHT!
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> In a message dated 5/13/03 8:28:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> sid@SLKelectronics.com writes:
>
> << Sid
> Greensboro, NC
> >>
> Sid,
> This is not a flame job, but if you eally check the subject of
electron
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Retired physict ,I would think a lot of life and passion went into getting
there and I sincerely congratulate you on that and I would assume many more
accomplishments have come your way along your chosen path and I should also
think we have all in some way benefited from it. As far as having a bad day,
well I am not I had a Cardiac Cath actually 2 on the 18th of last month so
in all honesty this is great I was born with it) and the old bundle is still
somewhere in the late 20's.I must also confess to having a slightly skewed
since of humor. If I get to close to offending you I really do apologize and
realy do mean it. Something about looking at the end in your 40's often
shakes things lose I am told
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-eflight@ezonemag.com [mailto:owner-eflight@ezonemag.com]On
Behalf Of loudon
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 2:14 PM
To: eflight@ezonemag.com
Subject: RE: [EFLT] RE: eflight-digest V1 #2011
This message from "loudon" <loudon@pacbell.net> brought to you by EFLIGHT!
I did not take it as a flame job .You would be great to sit with and have a
great talk Van de Graff Generators are still discussed in American schools
,if that's not fame I am not sure what is. Everyone has some absolutely
wonderful things and then again those we try not to mention but isn't that
what school is partly for? The more I learn the better I like it !and
everyone has something they can teach someone. shoot even me !
This is not a flame you guy's are great and it would be a much lonelier
place with out you in it !
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-eflight@ezonemag.com [mailto:owner-eflight@ezonemag.com]On
Behalf Of Ken and Mary
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 6:43 PM
To: eflight@ezonemag.com
Subject: Re: [EFLT] RE: eflight-digest V1 #2011
This message from "Ken and Mary" <ken.mary@sbcglobal.net> brought to you by
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Hi Scott
This is also not a flame job. Sounds like you are having a bad day. My
Scots ancestors came from the borders, and had an even more combative
nature. I'll try to keep it under control, just for the moment.
I'm a retired physicist. I did not go to a US Navy tech school. I went to
a US Army tech school. You know what Navy techs think about Army techs.
Ditto, conversely. I took an undergraduate degree in the US, in Silicon
Valley. You may have heard of Hewlett and Packard who lived in the same
town.
For a century the surface charge effect has been studied by physicists,
including those in the US. remember the van de Graff generator, which was
used in the early particle accelerators. If that does not ring a bell,
there was a small one in the first Frankenstein movie. We certainly
considered the boundary conditions, which is probably what you call surface
flow.
After a lovely invitation of my local draft board, I spent two years in the
Army keeping those at sea safe from attack. To fulfill my duties, our Uncle
Sam spent enough training me to have paid for a PhD at a very expensive
university. I certainly understand how engineers and technicians think
about electricity.
I then went to graduate school at the newest university in the then
Bundesrepublic (not founded until 1504 AD). I also worked as a translator
of technical papers for researchers at CERN and Hessiches Landesamt, and for
a large firm that produces equipment for the chemical industry. I still
follow a few things in German. E flight is really big in Europe and GB. I
am unaware of any differences of theory about anything as old hat as
electron motion in macro conductors. It is only when you start making the
huge simplifications for engineers and technicians that strange provincial
thought patters begin to appear. Odd concepts such as "relaxation times"
are used instead of the speed of light in the conductor etc.
Are you are trying to relate the electron to an object like a BB or ball
bearing at the macro scale? The electron is a packet (a quantum) of
electro-magnetic energy with a dual nature. It is both a particle and a
wave. It does not even have a particular single location at any given time,
remember Herr Prof. Dr. Plank, Einstein, Schroedinger, and Heisenberg and
perhaps consider Drs. Bohr, Pauling(had to get one American in) and
Rutherford. Electrons are always in motion and are found everywhere with
variable probability. Electrons are much better described by quantum
mechanical considerations than by Newton's Laws. Do some reading on
electron behavior at cryogenic temperature and on superconductors at near
absolute zero (zero Kelvin), as well as the physics of semiconductors. It
will clear up the concept of electrons and their movement, commonly called
current.
As long as you are dealing with huge numbers of electrons and big fat
conductors over a hundredth of a millimeter in diameter, the engineering
approximations are good enough for engineering calculations, but are only an
expression of the net probabilities of the underlying physics.
Now on to something important, how many angels can dance on a quantum dot
being transported by a Litestick with Li Ion batteries on a night flight
toward the rising full moon as it goes into eclipse? We still have two
hours to come up with an angel detector for tonights event. And some people
think that we are looney! Hah! We really know how to enjoy a good
argument.
Enjoy!
Bye, Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: <RMckie3122@aol.com>
To: <eflight@ezonemag.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [EFLT] RE: eflight-digest V1 #2011
> This message from RMckie3122@aol.com brought to you by EFLIGHT!
>
> In a message dated 5/13/03 8:28:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> sid@SLKelectronics.com writes:
>
> << Sid
> Greensboro, NC
> >>
> Sid,
> This is not a flame job, but if you eally check the subject of
electron
Big snip!
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