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CrashMaster

May 14, 2003, 04:01 AM

Hello,

I just bought a complete system from a company that will remain nameless
until I find out how they are going to handle this situation. I bought a
venture 30 w/ OS32 & Maverick muffler combo. Ok all is well with that.

The strange part is that this same company offered a JR 8103 TX w/ 649G
mini RX with a Futaba 401 / 9253 as a radio, gyro, servo combo. The problem
is, the gyro wont pug in to the receiver!

Surely I'm missing something. Surely a company would not put together and
ship out such an expensive combo THAT WON"T WORK TOGETHER! So please,
somebody out there must know what I'm doing wrong. Please let me know what
I'm missing here. Thanks!

Fritz Blackburn

May 14, 2003, 04:01 AM

Dude, if you are getting this worked up about this little problem you better
take up stamp collecting. Because helis will have curled up in a fetal
position in no time.
Now, Futaba makes their plugs pilot proof by molding in a little tab. This is
so the plugs can be inserted only one way. JR is too cheap to do this.
Sooooo, get a knife, cut off the little tab from the gyro connector and plug
away.

Michael 'Fritz' Blackburn
VP-94 Techrep NAS New Orleans
http://www.fritzthecat.info

CrashMaster wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I just bought a complete system from a company that will remain nameless
> until I find out how they are going to handle this situation. I bought a
> venture 30 w/ OS32 & Maverick muffler combo. Ok all is well with that.
>
> The strange part is that this same company offered a JR 8103 TX w/ 649G
> mini RX with a Futaba 401 / 9253 as a radio, gyro, servo combo. The problem
> is, the gyro wont pug in to the receiver!
>
> Surely I'm missing something. Surely a company would not put together and
> ship out such an expensive combo THAT WON"T WORK TOGETHER! So please,
> somebody out there must know what I'm doing wrong. Please let me know what
> I'm missing here. Thanks!

--

CrashMaster

May 14, 2003, 04:01 AM

Well there is more to this than I included in my original post. When I
placed my $1100 order, they told me everything was in stock and ready to go.
Since they offer free ground shipping, I waited the week for my order to
come in.

That's when I find out that the receiver was actually out of stock. My point
is had they been up front and told me this when I placed my order I could
have oh I don't know maybe ordered a Futaba system that might have been in
stock? So I wait another week for the receiver to come in.

So if I was going to have to jury rig this combo to get it to work, maybe
they could have also let me know that. If I cut this tab off the plug, will
it still be keyed? Or will I just have to flip a coin to determine which way
to plug it in?

Also, hard for me to believe that JR is "to cheap" to put this little tab
on their plugs. What's that going to actually save, a fraction of a cent per
unit if that. Oh, and by the way, with all do respect the JR plugs can only
be inserted one way also, they just key their plugs in a different way. I
find it much more likely that these manufacturers don't want you mixing
components like this.

So, "dude" thanks for your reply. Worked up? Nah. I just actually have to
provide the kind of service to my customers that this company (which I have
not named) claims to provide on their web site. I've been flying helis for 3
years and can't recall being fetal yet.

"Fritz Blackburn" <techrep@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:3EC1B894.FDA62CB6@bellsouth.net...
> Dude, if you are getting this worked up about this little problem you
better
> take up stamp collecting. Because helis will have curled up in a fetal
> position in no time.
> Now, Futaba makes their plugs pilot proof by molding in a little tab.
This is
> so the plugs can be inserted only one way. JR is too cheap to do this.
> Sooooo, get a knife, cut off the little tab from the gyro connector and
plug
> away.
>
> Michael 'Fritz' Blackburn
> VP-94 Techrep NAS New Orleans
> http://www.fritzthecat.info
>
>
>
> CrashMaster wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I just bought a complete system from a company that will remain nameless
> > until I find out how they are going to handle this situation. I bought a
> > venture 30 w/ OS32 & Maverick muffler combo. Ok all is well with that.
> >
> > The strange part is that this same company offered a JR 8103 TX w/ 649G
> > mini RX with a Futaba 401 / 9253 as a radio, gyro, servo combo. The
problem
> > is, the gyro wont pug in to the receiver!
> >
> > Surely I'm missing something. Surely a company would not put together
and
> > ship out such an expensive combo THAT WON"T WORK TOGETHER! So please,
> > somebody out there must know what I'm doing wrong. Please let me know
what
> > I'm missing here. Thanks!
>
> --
>
>

Steve Simpson

May 14, 2003, 04:01 AM

> So, "dude" thanks for your reply. Worked up? Nah. I just actually have to
> provide the kind of service to my customers that this company (which I have
> not named) claims to provide on their web site. I've been flying helis for 3
> years and can't recall being fetal yet.

Too funny!

Hey, "dude", I don't mean to sound sarcastic (well, OK, maybe a little), but where in the hell
have you been flying helis for THREE years and not know about the Futaba/JR plugs issue?

Are you in a two member club with some exiled Monk on a mountain top in Tibet?

Either that or you are related to a certain Iraqi information minister . . .

"There are NO tanks in Baghdad!"

Gimme a break . . LOL!

Smog

May 14, 2003, 04:01 AM

>"There are NO tanks in Baghdad!"

"There are NO helicopters ..... please !
Tanks are OT.

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"Steve Simpson" <simpsons34@NIXcox.net> wrote in message
news:n7kwa.25266$fm4.21526@fed1read06...
>
> > So, "dude" thanks for your reply. Worked up? Nah. I just actually have
to
> > provide the kind of service to my customers that this company (which I
have
> > not named) claims to provide on their web site. I've been flying helis
for 3
> > years and can't recall being fetal yet.
>
> Too funny!
>
> Hey, "dude", I don't mean to sound sarcastic (well, OK, maybe a little),
but where in the hell
> have you been flying helis for THREE years and not know about the
Futaba/JR plugs issue?
>
> Are you in a two member club with some exiled Monk on a mountain top in
Tibet?
>
> Either that or you are related to a certain Iraqi information minister . .
..
>
> "There are NO tanks in Baghdad!"
>
> Gimme a break . . LOL!
>
>

Robert Mulligan

May 14, 2003, 04:01 AM

"Steve Simpson" <simpsons34@NIXcox.net> wrote in message
news:n7kwa.25266$fm4.21526@fed1read06...
>
> > So, "dude" thanks for your reply. Worked up? Nah. I just actually have
to
> > provide the kind of service to my customers that this company (which I
have
> > not named) claims to provide on their web site. I've been flying helis
for 3
> > years and can't recall being fetal yet.
>
> Too funny!
>
> Hey, "dude", I don't mean to sound sarcastic (well, OK, maybe a little),
but where in the hell
> have you been flying helis for THREE years and not know about the
Futaba/JR plugs issue?
>
> Are you in a two member club with some exiled Monk on a mountain top in
Tibet?
>
> Either that or you are related to a certain Iraqi information minister . .
..
>
> "There are NO tanks in Baghdad!"
>
> Gimme a break . . LOL!
>

and oh, by the way... you still have to match the plug with JR... signal to
signal, pos to pos, grnd to grnd...

Steve Simpson

May 14, 2003, 04:01 AM

> and oh, by the way... you still have to match the plug with JR... signal to
> signal, pos to pos, grnd to grnd...

.. . . . . ashes to ashes, dust to dust . . . .

Futaba to JR . . . wire colors may not match.

When in doubt, ask the Monk . . .

CrashMaster

May 15, 2003, 04:00 AM

"Steve Simpson" <simpsons34@NIXcox.net> wrote in message
news:8ulwa.25293$fm4.5184@fed1read06...
> > and oh, by the way... you still have to match the plug with JR... signal
to
> > signal, pos to pos, grnd to grnd...
>
> . . . . . ashes to ashes, dust to dust . . . .
>
> Futaba to JR . . . wire colors may not match.
>
> When in doubt, ask the Monk . . .
>
>

You are a laugh a minute! LOL! As a matter of fact the wire colors do not
match. I would have expected a man of your vast experience and knowledge to
know that. And of course you know what colors on the Futaba gyro match up to
what pins on the JR receiver. All I'm saying is that if a company is going
to sell this as a combo, would it be to much to ask to maybe include a note
with info about this jury rigging and what colors to match to which pins?

That would probably be as unreasonable as actually getting some useful
information here at
rec.comedians.nohelp.rc.helicopter.

Smog

May 15, 2003, 04:00 AM

Andy Fell

May 15, 2003, 04:01 AM

Cut off the 'thang' on the side of the futaba connector

JR wires are:

+ = red
- = brown
signal = orange

Futaba wires are
+ = red
- = black
signal = white

JR connections are slightly polarized, they have chamfers on one side
of the connector (not quite as strong right or wrong as the futaba
'thang' though)

Andy

On Wed, 14 May 2003 03:24:35 GMT, "CrashMaster"
<gdmiles1HELIZ@cox.net> wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I just bought a complete system from a company that will remain nameless
>until I find out how they are going to handle this situation. I bought a
>venture 30 w/ OS32 & Maverick muffler combo. Ok all is well with that.
>
> The strange part is that this same company offered a JR 8103 TX w/ 649G
>mini RX with a Futaba 401 / 9253 as a radio, gyro, servo combo. The problem
>is, the gyro wont pug in to the receiver!
>
>Surely I'm missing something. Surely a company would not put together and
>ship out such an expensive combo THAT WON"T WORK TOGETHER! So please,
>somebody out there must know what I'm doing wrong. Please let me know what
>I'm missing here. Thanks!
>

Courseyauto

May 15, 2003, 04:01 AM

JR too cheap? LMFAO Futaba is the fukin oddball, JR Airtronics and
Hitec are interchangble with no fukin Mods............

MPA

May 15, 2003, 04:01 AM

On Wed, 14 May 2003 11:42:57 GMT, "CrashMaster"
<gdmiles1HELIZ@cox.net> wrote:

>
>"Steve Simpson" <simpsons34@NIXcox.net> wrote in message
>news:8ulwa.25293$fm4.5184@fed1read06...
>> > and oh, by the way... you still have to match the plug with JR... signal
>to
>> > signal, pos to pos, grnd to grnd...
>>
>> . . . . . ashes to ashes, dust to dust . . . .
>>
>> Futaba to JR . . . wire colors may not match.
>>
>> When in doubt, ask the Monk . . .
>>
>>
>
>You are a laugh a minute! LOL! As a matter of fact the wire colors do not
>match. I would have expected a man of your vast experience and knowledge to
>know that. And of course you know what colors on the Futaba gyro match up to
>what pins on the JR receiver. All I'm saying is that if a company is going
>to sell this as a combo, would it be to much to ask to maybe include a note
>with info about this jury rigging and what colors to match to which pins?
>
>That would probably be as unreasonable as actually getting some useful
>information here at
>rec.comedians.nohelp.rc.helicopter.
>

Stop typing, open your eyes and try google.
We all owe you nothing, not information or congratulation, you are
welcome to phuck off or stay, you can ask of what you wish to know and
you may get an answer if you are in luck.

Fact, you dont know something, you dont know enough about that
something to start laying blame on others for it.

In short you dont accept that it is up to you to go forth and find the
answer to the something you dont know.

If this is the case then as it is stated, you are screwed and should
ponder as to are you cut out for this hobby.

May 15, 2003, 04:01 AM

"CrashMaster" wrote:
> I have some extra Futaba servo extentions that I'm not using, so I think
> I'll back the female pins out of the JR connector and put them in the
Futaba
> connector so if I have to unplug in the future, I'll be less apt to screw
> up. I am assuming the connector with the single wire from the servo will
> plug in the same direction as the one with the three wires.

Unless they've come to some sort of a standards agreement since I tried this
a few years back, JR terminals don't fit Futaba's "J" connectors properly
(and vice versa). Give it a try and let us know, though.

Gp

CrashMaster

May 15, 2003, 04:01 AM

"Gp" <pinckneys@vei.net> wrote in message
news:ku-cnb1Pn6hDZ1-jXTWcow@veiinternet.net...

> Unless they've come to some sort of a standards agreement since I tried
this
> a few years back, JR terminals don't fit Futaba's "J" connectors properly
> (and vice versa). Give it a try and let us know, though.
>
> Gp

You are correct! Even the pins aren't compatible with the plugs. Sheesh.
It
does look like if I bevel the corner that matches the "slanted" corner in
the RX connector, I can make it so it will only plug in one way. What a
bunch of nonsense.

Steve Simpson

May 15, 2003, 04:01 AM

> You are correct! Even the pins aren't compatible with the plugs. Sheesh.
> It
> does look like if I bevel the corner that matches the "slanted" corner in
> the RX connector, I can make it so it will only plug in one way. What a
> bunch of nonsense.

Since obviously they did it just to irritate you personally . . . .

I'd say they were pretty successful . . .

From what I can see, you got the correct answer in the very first response to your rather . . .
.. enthusiastic . . . question.

All together now . . ."Thank you, Mr. Blackburn"

May 15, 2003, 04:01 AM

"CrashMaster" <gdmiles1HELIZ@cox.net> wrote in message
news:PmDwa.4776$823.1853@news1.east.cox.net...
>> Unless they've come to some sort of a standards agreement since I tried
>> this a few years back, JR terminals don't fit Futaba's "J" connectors
>> properly (and vice versa). Give it a try and let us know, though.
>>
>> Gp
>
> You are correct! Even the pins aren't compatible with the plugs. Sheesh.
> It does look like if I bevel the corner that matches the "slanted" corner
in
> the RX connector, I can make it so it will only plug in one way. What a
> bunch of nonsense.

Yep, they don't make it easy. Don't worry too much about preserving the
polarity keying when you shave the Futaba connector. Just make sure that
your colors match (black->brown) when you plug the gyro into the rx.
Afterall, you're not going to be plugging and unplugging it on a regular
basis. Maybe one day someone will make an after-market "Futaba J-less"
connector...

Gp

CrashMaster

May 15, 2003, 04:01 AM

"Gp" <pinckneys@vei.net> wrote in message
news:Ez2dnRfAwIJ9mV6jXTWcqA@veiinternet.net...
>
> Yep, they don't make it easy. Don't worry too much about preserving the
> polarity keying when you shave the Futaba connector. Just make sure that
> your colors match (black->brown) when you plug the gyro into the rx.
> Afterall, you're not going to be plugging and unplugging it on a regular
> basis. Maybe one day someone will make an after-market "Futaba J-less"
> connector...
>
> Gp

Well there is an adapter available, but if you add another mechanical
connection of course that just adds more potential for problems.

Steve Simpson

May 15, 2003, 04:01 AM

> basis. Maybe one day someone will make an after-market "Futaba J-less"
> connector...
>

Actually, someone does make 'adapter' pig tails.

At least they used to. If they are still available, then it would be proof that there are
actually people anal enough to buy them.

OK, the truth is, if shaving the tab off and beveling the edge of the Futaba connector to plug
it into a JR receiver (like everyone in the free world does) will leave an irreparable dent in
one's karma, there are several vendors who sell empty connector housings, pins and even the
proper crimp tool so that a brand new JR plug can be installed on the Futaba wires.

That is assuming there is no violent 'rejection' between a Futaba wire and a JR pin.

May 16, 2003, 04:01 AM

"Steve Simpson" wrote:

> > Maybe one day someone will make an after-market "Futaba J-less"
> > connector...

> Actually, someone does make 'adapter' pig tails.

No pigtails. I'm thinking of a hybrid connector housing that would accept
Futaba terminals but be keyed to JR. No cutting, crimping, or soldering
required - just pop off the Futaba J connector and replace with the new
connector housing. Click, click, click.

> At least they used to. If they are still available, then it would be proof
that there are
> actually people anal enough to buy them.

C'mon Steve - can't we play nicely without name calling? If such connectors
were sold in packs of five for a couple of bucks, I'd buy them. I'm sure
most of us would. It's no more anal than shelling out $50 for anodized
servo horns, buying a governor to precisely regulate your head speed, or
feeling weak in the knees and sick to your stomach because your tx is only
PPM. How many of these compulsions are you guilty of? Let's face it, we
all do things that others might view as excessive - it's the nature of our
hobby.

> OK, the truth is, if shaving the tab off and beveling the edge of the
Futaba connector to plug
> it into a JR receiver (like everyone in the free world does) will leave an
irreparable dent in
> one's karma, there are several vendors who sell empty connector housings,
pins and even the
> proper crimp tool so that a brand new JR plug can be installed on the
Futaba wires.

Now THAT would be too much work for a lazy perfectionist such as myself!

Be nice,

Gp

CrashMaster

May 16, 2003, 04:01 AM

Well said GP! On all accounts....

"Gp" <pinckneys@vei.net> wrote in message
news:AsCdnR3LKfwiFF6jXTWcpg@veiinternet.net...
> "Steve Simpson" wrote:
>
> > > Maybe one day someone will make an after-market "Futaba J-less"
> > > connector...
>
> > Actually, someone does make 'adapter' pig tails.
>
> No pigtails. I'm thinking of a hybrid connector housing that would accept
> Futaba terminals but be keyed to JR. No cutting, crimping, or soldering
> required - just pop off the Futaba J connector and replace with the new
> connector housing. Click, click, click.
>
> > At least they used to. If they are still available, then it would be
proof
> that there are
> > actually people anal enough to buy them.
>
> C'mon Steve - can't we play nicely without name calling? If such
connectors
> were sold in packs of five for a couple of bucks, I'd buy them. I'm sure
> most of us would. It's no more anal than shelling out $50 for anodized
> servo horns, buying a governor to precisely regulate your head speed, or
> feeling weak in the knees and sick to your stomach because your tx is only
> PPM. How many of these compulsions are you guilty of? Let's face it, we
> all do things that others might view as excessive - it's the nature of our
> hobby.
>
> > OK, the truth is, if shaving the tab off and beveling the edge of the
> Futaba connector to plug
> > it into a JR receiver (like everyone in the free world does) will leave
an
> irreparable dent in
> > one's karma, there are several vendors who sell empty connector
housings,
> pins and even the
> > proper crimp tool so that a brand new JR plug can be installed on the
> Futaba wires.
>
> Now THAT would be too much work for a lazy perfectionist such as myself!
>
> Be nice,
>
> Gp
>
>

Elforlight

May 16, 2003, 04:01 AM

plug in some sanwa gear and blow everything up

Courseyauto

May 16, 2003, 04:01 AM

<<
plug in some sanwa gear and blow everything up

>>

Plugging an Airtronics servo into a Futaba reciever is an Upgrade.....

Mike

May 19, 2003, 04:01 AM

>I'm even more anal then. I de-solder the wires inside the servo and make
>the new wire exactly the right length. Down to the last millimetre. Looks
>REALLY cool and it gives one the chance to check on JR or Futaba's soldering
>and servo building quality:)
>>

>Beav.

Flippin 'eck Beav you don't do you? How do you cope with moving servos from one
model to another? resolder new wires each time I spose.

What about warranty, doesn't that affect it?

And you must have faith in your soldering..mine is so crap my best efforts
would still fall far short of the efforts of a JR or Futaba monkey with a cold
soldering iron producing 20 servos an hour using the iron in the dark while
watching tv and knitting a big woolly jumper at the same time.

:-)