Newbie Question 2 - Can you fly in Garden in the UK

[Simon Ashford]

Potentially a silly question this but I wouldn't have thought it was legal
to fly in your own back garden in the United Kingdom. However many people
with an interest in Heli's in the UK appear to have set-up their own
website's detailing their heli adventures. Most of these have a gallery
section and most of these galleries appear to have a photo titles "me in the
back garden with the heli"

Additionally I have been given an old copy of "model helicopter world" from
March 2002. There is an article on the Raptor 60 which includes pictures.
One of these is labelled "Raptor 60 in my back garden, hope the neighbours
don't mind the noise. Incidentally it's also upside down.

So what are the legalities on this? Can you fly in your garden, are their
height restrictions or anything like that?

Thanks in advance.

--
Simon Ashford MCP
IT Consultant, Netlink Data Solutions Limited.

[Mike]

>Potentially a silly question this but I wouldn't have thought it was legal
>to fly in your own back garden in the United Kingdom.

Interesting..

I suppose it depends how big your garden is :-)

I doubt if there is a specific law against it, unless the model weighs more
than a certain amount, then it will be governed by CAA regulations.

At a guess, you could be in trouble for noise pollution (unless its electric),
endangering public safety (unless it was tethered) or causing an affray (when
your neighbour comes round after you have just crashlanded your helicopter two
feet away from the pram containing his new born baby).
I have noticed these articles myself, and have also wondered whether or not the
pilot is acting in the best interests of the hobby...if enough people get
annoyed about helicopters flying 'in the wrong place', then we shouldn't be too
surprised if one day they get banned. It's happened in other sports, why not
this one.

I also wonder how the pilot would stand with the insurance company. It could
hardly be argued that the pilot had 'taken all reasonable steps to protect the
public' when flying in the middle of a housing estate.

hmmm.

[Beav]

"Simon Ashford" <simon@netlinkdata.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3eac293c$0$25011$fa0fcedb@lovejoy.zen.co.uk.. .
> Potentially a silly question this but I wouldn't have thought it was legal
> to fly in your own back garden in the United Kingdom.



Well if it's not, then I've been breaking the law for close on 30 years.


However many people
> with an interest in Heli's in the UK appear to have set-up their own
> website's detailing their heli adventures. Most of these have a gallery
> section and most of these galleries appear to have a photo titles "me in
the
> back garden with the heli"

I see nothing wrong with flying in my back garden.
>
> Additionally I have been given an old copy of "model helicopter world"
from
> March 2002. There is an article on the Raptor 60 which includes pictures.
> One of these is labelled "Raptor 60 in my back garden, hope the neighbours
> don't mind the noise. Incidentally it's also upside down.

Neighbours the world over make noise, usually on a Sunday morning with a
lawn mower or strimmer. it's NICE to get one's own back and trim the lawn at
the same time:-)
>
> So what are the legalities on this?

It's your property and if there's no specific by-law against your chosen
activity, then as far as I know, it's a legal as cutting the lawn with a
petrol mower.

Can you fly in your garden, are their
> height restrictions or anything like that?

I'd think that zooming around over your NEIGHBOURS houses might cause some
flak, but I'm still not convinced it's actually illegal.


--
Beav


Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
(with the obvious changes)

Beavisland now lives at
www.beavisoriginal.co.uk

[Carl Farrington]

Simon Ashford wrote:
> Potentially a silly question this but I wouldn't have thought it was
> legal to fly in your own back garden in the United Kingdom. However
> many people with an interest in Heli's in the UK appear to have
> set-up their own website's detailing their heli adventures. Most of
> these have a gallery section and most of these galleries appear to
> have a photo titles "me in the back garden with the heli"
>
> Additionally I have been given an old copy of "model helicopter
> world" from March 2002. There is an article on the Raptor 60 which
> includes pictures. One of these is labelled "Raptor 60 in my back
> garden, hope the neighbours don't mind the noise. Incidentally it's
> also upside down.
>
> So what are the legalities on this? Can you fly in your garden, are
> their height restrictions or anything like that?
>
> Thanks in advance.

I do it.

[Wilbur Wilburforce]

I fly from my garden in winter and theres a field directly behind my house that
I overfly. I dont *like* doing it but I have no choice as our flying field is
inaccessable during winter.


Will

[Paul Aspinall]

I'm a novice to this, but would like to have a 'dabble' in my back garden,
once I've become competent enough.

However..... How do you stand with regard to model insurance, with regard to
this?
The BMFA seem to have strict rules.... Are there any insurers that are a
little 'more relaxed' about this??

Thanks


"Simon Ashford" <simon@netlinkdata.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3eac293c$0$25011$fa0fcedb@lovejoy.zen.co.uk.. .
> Potentially a silly question this but I wouldn't have thought it was legal
> to fly in your own back garden in the United Kingdom. However many people
> with an interest in Heli's in the UK appear to have set-up their own
> website's detailing their heli adventures. Most of these have a gallery
> section and most of these galleries appear to have a photo titles "me in
the
> back garden with the heli"
>
> Additionally I have been given an old copy of "model helicopter world"
from
> March 2002. There is an article on the Raptor 60 which includes pictures.
> One of these is labelled "Raptor 60 in my back garden, hope the neighbours
> don't mind the noise. Incidentally it's also upside down.
>
> So what are the legalities on this? Can you fly in your garden, are their
> height restrictions or anything like that?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --
> Simon Ashford MCP
> IT Consultant, Netlink Data Solutions Limited.
>
>

[Peter Christy]

Mike wrote:

> I doubt if there is a specific law against it, unless the model weighs more
> than a certain amount, then it will be governed by CAA regulations.

Even if the model is under the weight limit, you're still bound by many CAA
regulations - specifically the one about "not allowing any aircraft to
endanger people or property".

The law is very vague about model flying in this country. My understanding (and
I'm NOT a lawyer!) is that unless there is a bye-law specifically prohibiting
it, OR you are inside controlled airspace (ie near to a full size airfield)
then you can fly anywhere you like.

Whether it is *wise* to do so is another story.......

I fly electrics in my back garden, but certainly wouldn't risk a powered model.

And before any newbies attempt this, remember: A model heli may not be
particularly fast, but they don't half *accelerate* quickly!

One of the most difficult things to do with a heli (model or full size) is to
fly it in a restricted space.............


--
Pete
christy@NOSPAMattglobal.net
(make the obvious amendments to reply!)

[Simon Ashford]

Thanks for all the various advice so far.

I was mainly thinking of flying in the garden to practice hovering with a
trainer frame attached to the skids. I have no concerns about the noise as
I have the worst neighbour I have ever encountered next door:

* Parties till 2am with loud music

* Loud music all the time anyway

* He has a motor bike which prior to riding he leaves on high rev's for 15
minutes in his back garden (no other biker I have met does this and they all
think it's strange)

* Plenty of loud arguments for good measure

As it happens the council are so complacent I have been keeping diaries of
their noise for six months so far and Environmental Health appear to have
little concern. The police aren't bothered either even though they are
taking a chunk of my council tax every month and there is little in return
when you need it.

Anyway all this aside I am happy to fly in the garden presuming I'm not
breaking the law. Incidentally there is a very large park not to far from
here. Would it therefore be okay to fly in the park? Based on responses to
my original posting I would have said yes now. I would have thought the
garden would be okay as it's your property but expected parks to be out of
bounds. Someone else has mentioned flying in a local field though.

The park I am talking about is usually dead, obviously I would have a good
look around first prior to flying. Additionally if from somewhere lots of
children did suddenly appear I would be content to pack up and go home. It
would appear that now a days children are happier at home with a playstation
than out playing at the local park so they could be better put to use by
adults with big toys instead :-)

I have also put my name down as a reserve on the local club list who
currently don't have any vacancies for new members due to the recent loss of
one of their two fields.

--
Simon Ashford MCP
IT Consultant, Netlink Data Solutions Limited.
"Simon Ashford" <simon@netlinkdata.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3eac293c$0$25011$fa0fcedb@lovejoy.zen.co.uk.. .
> Potentially a silly question this but I wouldn't have thought it was legal
> to fly in your own back garden in the United Kingdom. However many people
> with an interest in Heli's in the UK appear to have set-up their own
> website's detailing their heli adventures. Most of these have a gallery
> section and most of these galleries appear to have a photo titles "me in
the
> back garden with the heli"
>
> Additionally I have been given an old copy of "model helicopter world"
from
> March 2002. There is an article on the Raptor 60 which includes pictures.
> One of these is labelled "Raptor 60 in my back garden, hope the neighbours
> don't mind the noise. Incidentally it's also upside down.
>
> So what are the legalities on this? Can you fly in your garden, are their
> height restrictions or anything like that?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --
> Simon Ashford MCP
> IT Consultant, Netlink Data Solutions Limited.
>
>

[Mike]

>Anyway all this aside I am happy to fly in the garden presuming I'm not
>breaking the law. Incidentally there is a very large park not to far from
>here. Would it therefore be okay to fly in the park? Based on responses to
>my original posting I would have said yes now. I would have thought the
>garden would be okay as it's your property but expected parks to be out of
>bounds. Someone else has mentioned flying in a local field though.
>
>The park I am talking about is usually dead, obviously I would have a good
>look around first prior to flying. Additionally if from somewhere lots of
>children did suddenly appear I would be content to pack up and go home. It
>would appear that now a days children are happier at home with a playstation
>than out playing at the local park so they could be better put to use by
>adults with big toys instead :-)
>
>I have also put my name down as a reserve on the local club list who
>currently don't have any vacancies for new members due to the recent loss of
>one of their two fields.
>
I'm not sure if this might be a different kettle of fish... now you are taking
the model out into the public area, with all the problems of crowd control,
loose dogs, angry parents, etc etc.
You will also find that once in the park, your helicopter has now become a
people magnet. They are standing in the space you took off from, standing next
to your elbow, in your flying space, in your potential landing areas and
probably having a good poke around in your flight box as well.
While you are flying, 17000 children will all be asking when they can have a
go, and 'how high does it go, mister'.
If your helicopter gets any lower than about 6 feet the local rabid dog will be
making a jump for the skids, and when the heli does finally run out of fuel, at
least 6 kids will be there picking it up for you.
The insurance company could regard this as flying in front of the public, and a
certificate of competency could be sought.

I would definitely stick with the club site idea if you possibly can. Would it
be worth going along and seeing if other members have alternative sites they
fly at, I know some frequent more than one site.

[Rhodesst]

>
>I would definitely stick with the club site idea if you possibly can. Would
>it
>be worth going along and seeing if other members have alternative sites they
>fly at, I know some frequent more than one site.
>

Absolutely, positively!!! What Mike said! 100%

If you MUST try the public park, please take along a friend to act as a
spotter. All you're attention will be on the model and you'll never see the
kids, parents, dogs, police, etc, coming until they're right on top of you and
already in the way.

I don't personally think it's worth the risk.

Good luck with the neighbor,
Fly Safe,
Steve R.

[Simon Ashford]

Mike,

You have some good point's there Mike. I suppose priority should
undoubtedly be the controlled environment of a field then. May keep the
park in mind as a last resort and when it's quiet, not to mention when my
experience level is significantly more proficient.

Of course I could stand there dressed as Fred Krueger and the might not
bother me :-)

--
Simon Ashford MCP
IT Consultant, Netlink Data Solutions Limited.
"Mike" <mikespruce99@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20030428172854.21606.00000335@mb-m17.aol.com...
> >Anyway all this aside I am happy to fly in the garden presuming I'm not
> >breaking the law. Incidentally there is a very large park not to far
from
> >here. Would it therefore be okay to fly in the park? Based on responses
to
> >my original posting I would have said yes now. I would have thought the
> >garden would be okay as it's your property but expected parks to be out
of
> >bounds. Someone else has mentioned flying in a local field though.
> >
> >The park I am talking about is usually dead, obviously I would have a
good
> >look around first prior to flying. Additionally if from somewhere lots
of
> >children did suddenly appear I would be content to pack up and go home.
It
> >would appear that now a days children are happier at home with a
playstation
> >than out playing at the local park so they could be better put to use by
> >adults with big toys instead :-)
> >
> >I have also put my name down as a reserve on the local club list who
> >currently don't have any vacancies for new members due to the recent loss
of
> >one of their two fields.
> >
> I'm not sure if this might be a different kettle of fish... now you are
taking
> the model out into the public area, with all the problems of crowd
control,
> loose dogs, angry parents, etc etc.
> You will also find that once in the park, your helicopter has now become a
> people magnet. They are standing in the space you took off from, standing
next
> to your elbow, in your flying space, in your potential landing areas and
> probably having a good poke around in your flight box as well.
> While you are flying, 17000 children will all be asking when they can have
a
> go, and 'how high does it go, mister'.
> If your helicopter gets any lower than about 6 feet the local rabid dog
will be
> making a jump for the skids, and when the heli does finally run out of
fuel, at
> least 6 kids will be there picking it up for you.
> The insurance company could regard this as flying in front of the public,
and a
> certificate of competency could be sought.
>
> I would definitely stick with the club site idea if you possibly can.
Would it
> be worth going along and seeing if other members have alternative sites
they
> fly at, I know some frequent more than one site.
>

[MPA]

On 28 Apr 2003 21:28:54 GMT, mikespruce99@aol.comnospam (Mike) wrote:

>>Anyway all this aside I am happy to fly in the garden presuming I'm not
>>breaking the law. Incidentally there is a very large park not to far from
>>here. Would it therefore be okay to fly in the park? Based on responses to
>>my original posting I would have said yes now. I would have thought the
>>garden would be okay as it's your property but expected parks to be out of
>>bounds. Someone else has mentioned flying in a local field though.
>>
>>The park I am talking about is usually dead, obviously I would have a good
>>look around first prior to flying. Additionally if from somewhere lots of
>>children did suddenly appear I would be content to pack up and go home. It
>>would appear that now a days children are happier at home with a playstation
>>than out playing at the local park so they could be better put to use by
>>adults with big toys instead :-)
>>
>>I have also put my name down as a reserve on the local club list who
>>currently don't have any vacancies for new members due to the recent loss of
>>one of their two fields.
>>
>I'm not sure if this might be a different kettle of fish... now you are taking
>the model out into the public area, with all the problems of crowd control,
>loose dogs, angry parents, etc etc.
>You will also find that once in the park, your helicopter has now become a
>people magnet. They are standing in the space you took off from, standing next
>to your elbow, in your flying space, in your potential landing areas and
>probably having a good poke around in your flight box as well.
>While you are flying, 17000 children will all be asking when they can have a
>go, and 'how high does it go, mister'.
>If your helicopter gets any lower than about 6 feet the local rabid dog will be
>making a jump for the skids, and when the heli does finally run out of fuel, at
>least 6 kids will be there picking it up for you.
>The insurance company could regard this as flying in front of the public, and a
>certificate of competency could be sought.

Gross exagerations and improbable theory.

>
>I would definitely stick with the club site idea if you possibly can. Would it
>be worth going along and seeing if other members have alternative sites they
>fly at, I know some frequent more than one site.

Mike you really are taking ther string and running with it but you
dont sound like your experienced in your own advice.

Having never flown at a club myself for obvious risks it poses I can
tell you your simply wrong on the park flying theory.

[Mike]

>
>Having never flown at a club myself for obvious risks it poses I can
>tell you your simply wrong on the park flying theory.
>

You mean no 17000 kids? no rabid dog? no kettle of fish?

oh ok...still wish I'd had a pound for every 'how high does it go mister"
question though :-)

[MPA]

On 28 Apr 2003 23:47:52 GMT, mikespruce99@aol.comnospam (Mike) wrote:

>>
>>Having never flown at a club myself for obvious risks it poses I can
>>tell you your simply wrong on the park flying theory.
>>
>
>You mean no 17000 kids? no rabid dog? no kettle of fish?
>

The occasional dog (I have it on vid), kids a few, no fish.
It all in he way you dress for flying, dress down.
Dark clothes, shark shades.
Kids give me a pretty wide berth I look like the bogey man.
Works everytime.

That limits visitors to only those who are genuinely interested and I
dont mind chating to at all.
The park visits are mostly good.
Most just look, say hi and leave.

Police care not.
It's not illegal.
If they do drive past and see it they look at it like a bunch of kids
grinning and pointing and keep driving.
Thats if they see it.

>oh ok...still wish I'd had a pound for every 'how high does it go mister"
>question though :-)

The obligatory.......

One thing a non club flier MUST own is a frequency scanner.
It cost less than a heli, I run it at all times my Tx is not on to and
from flying.
If you are not in a clean area youll know it right away with a scanner
and you can drive to a clean area..

Where I fly in the last 2 years I am yet to have one single lock on
any flight rc channel from an Tx other than my own and sometimes if Im
driving past a flying club.
They are mostly weekenders and seem to be fussy about weather, I get
them on it if I am driving past one on the way to somewhere and they
are only there on the real good days.

Im in Australia in a suburban capitol city but kids here are all
inside on PC's not outdoors flying rc models, only old farts and
middle age blokes like me most of whom are busy tiling the back porch
or renovating not out flying a rig.
Used to see lots of them years ago along the beach cliffs here with
gliders and all sorts but I haven't seen any in years.
Place is full of kite surfers these days.

[Mike]

>Kids give me a pretty wide berth I look like the bogey man.
>Works everytime.

Ha..I like it.

>That limits visitors to only those who are genuinely interested and I
>dont mind chating to at all.
>The park visits are mostly good.
>Most just look, say hi and leave.
>
>Police care not.
>It's not illegal.
>If they do drive past and see it they look at it like a bunch of kids
>grinning and pointing and keep driving.
>Thats if they see it.

>One thing a non club flier MUST own is a frequency scanner.
>It cost less than a heli, I run it at all times my Tx is not on to and
>from flying.
>If you are not in a clean area youll know it right away with a scanner
>and you can drive to a clean area..
>
>Where I fly in the last 2 years I am yet to have one single lock on
>any flight rc channel from an Tx other than my own and sometimes if Im
>driving past a flying club.
>They are mostly weekenders and seem to be fussy about weather, I get
>them on it if I am driving past one on the way to somewhere and they
>are only there on the real good days.
>
>Im in Australia in a suburban capitol city but kids here are all
>inside on PC's not outdoors flying rc models, only old farts and
>middle age blokes like me most of whom are busy tiling the back porch
>or renovating not out flying a rig.
>Used to see lots of them years ago along the beach cliffs here with
>gliders and all sorts but I haven't seen any in years.
>Place is full of kite surfers these days.

It sounds like hell :-)

I did most of my park flying at the local rugby club/cricket pavilion, in the
days before recognised clubs were up and running (oops I must be a boring old
fart too lol).
I just never figured out where all these people came from. As soon as I started
the engine, the entire county was there to watch. I should have branched out
into a tea and coffee making van, it would have financed my heli repairs.
Not only was it a danger (mainly to them), but the pressure of learning to fly
while being watched never really worked, so I resorted to going out at 6
o'clock in the morning just to have some peace.

I wouldn't risk it now, not in any of our local parks anyway.

[MPA]

>
>I did most of my park flying at the local rugby club/cricket pavilion, in the
>days before recognised clubs were up and running (oops I must be a boring old
>fart too lol).
>I just never figured out where all these people came from. As soon as I started
>the engine, the entire county was there to watch. I should have branched out
>into a tea and coffee making van, it would have financed my heli repairs.
>Not only was it a danger (mainly to them), but the pressure of learning to fly
>while being watched never really worked, so I resorted to going out at 6
>o'clock in the morning just to have some peace.
>
>I wouldn't risk it now, not in any of our local parks anyway.
>

If a pile of people ever did turn up, or more than I can keep an eye
on Id pack it up and have done before.

Some make the mistake of saying "I want to stay and watch the heli"
At which point I put on the blade holders and put the Tx in my flgith
case and sit down to signal there aint no more flying and they leave,
then I take the holders off and tx out and go fly.

[darren_uk]

Flying in the Parks in the UK


I'm reading this thread with great interest. And I have some input too.


I didn't know of a local flying club. So I phoned up my local council and said, "I have a radio controlled helicopter, where can I fly it?" With great enthusiasm and helpfulness (seriously!) he told me of two public parks. He even gave me his name so that if anyone complained to me, I should give them his name for them to check it was OK.

I don't fly at one of the parks: it's a place where troublesome kids hang out. I'd feel intimidated.

At the other park, I don't fly if there's teenage kids around, or people playing ball games.

I go rarely because I don't own a car and only go when I rent a car for the weekend. I've been before with the heli and not even taken it out of the boot because I felt there were too many people.


HOWEVER: I don't own a car, which means I don't fly as much as I want: But there is a park 10 minutes walk from me (where I take the kids to play on the swings) which has some quiet areas, and also an open place where they play cricket.

Are all parks open to the same laws? Or would this particular park be special in some way? (this third park is in the same town as the other two I mentioned, but it's not an open field like the others, it's a cricket ground, although there are places with trees to one side where I could fly


ANOTHER QUESTION: Transport: how the hell would I take a Hirobo Shuttle, 1 gallon fuel bottle, starter, etc by hand?? Any transporting tips?? Carrying the heli is OK with one hand (blades held back in a foam grip and I carry it by the head), but the rest of the junk...

[Nick M V Salmon]

"darren_uk" <darren_uk.mw9yh@rcgroups.com> wrote

Snippers...

> HOWEVER: I don't own a car, which means I don't fly as much
> as I want: But there is a park 10 minutes walk from me (where I
> take the kids to play on the swings) which has some quiet areas,
> and also an open place where they play cricket.

Cricket pitch should be plenty big enough as long as you avoid flying when
they're playing. ;-)


> Are all parks open to the same laws? Or would this particular
> park be special in some way? (this third park is in the same town
> as the other two I mentioned, but it's not an open field like the
> others, it's a cricket ground, although there are places with trees
> to one side where I could fly

If you can fly in one then there's no reason you can't fly in another as
long as it isn't specificaly denied by the local bye-laws - maybe it would
be worthwhile checking with that helpful council fellow..? I'd be sure to
have BMFA 3rd party insurance though. If a local resident complains about
the noise then I'd quit - that is one you cannot win against unless you move
to an electric heli.

I'd pick mealtimes to go flying, or schooldays during school hours if you
can - they're the safest times to avoid being 'inundated' with local kids
asking myriad questions - 'how high can it go mister' or 'is that all it can
do..?' when I was 'bunnyhopping' about whilst learning. <LOL>


> ANOTHER QUESTION: Transport: how the hell would I take
> a Hirobo Shuttle, 1 gallon fuel bottle, starter, etc by hand?? Any
> transporting tips?? Carrying the heli is OK with one hand (blades
> held back in a foam grip and I carry it by the head), but the rest
> of the junk...

Old lady's shopping trolley with big wheels for rough ground - I used to
carry a heli to my flying field on the back of a pushbike whilst my car was
off the road a few years ago (Nov'95 MHW.) but you don't need that sort of
setup for 10 minutes walk...

Ciao...

[UK]_Nick...
--
Nick M V Salmon Master Mariner MN(Retd.)

My four initials@btinternet.com

[MPA]

On Sun, 4 May 2003 01:06:32 -0500, darren_uk
<darren_uk.mw9yh@rcgroups.com> wrote:

>
>Flying in the Parks in the UK
>
>
>I'm reading this thread with great interest. And I have some input
>too.
>
>
>I didn't know of a local flying club. So I phoned up my local council
>and said, "I have a radio controlled helicopter, where can I fly it?"
>With great enthusiasm and helpfulness (seriously!) he told me of two
>public parks. He even gave me his name so that if anyone complained to
>me, I should give them his name for them to check it was OK.
>
>I don't fly at one of the parks: it's a place where troublesome kids
>hang out. I'd feel intimidated.
>
>At the other park, I don't fly if there's teenage kids around, or people
>playing ball games.
>
>I go rarely because I don't own a car and only go when I rent a car for
>the weekend. I've been before with the heli and not even taken it out
>of the boot because I felt there were too many people.
>
>
>HOWEVER: I don't own a car, which means I don't fly as much as I want:
>But there is a park 10 minutes walk from me (where I take the kids to
>play on the swings) which has some quiet areas, and also an open place
>where they play cricket.
>
>Are all parks open to the same laws?

Just have to abide by aviation laws.
You would only be breaking common law (police) if you flew it at
someone in a menacing way.
Council bylaw is according to the signage posted as far as Im
concerned.
Ive been told 2 times that a council didnt allow rc anywhere in those
areas but both times it was glider pilots, I just laughed at them and
cranked up the heli.


>Or would this particular park be
>special in some way? (this third park is in the same town as the other
>two I mentioned, but it's not an open field like the others, it's a
>cricket ground, although there are places with trees to one side where I
>could fly

Go for it but like I say, get a scanner if you are not in a club, if
your in a country area you probably dont need to.

>
>
>ANOTHER QUESTION: Transport: how the hell would I take a Hirobo
>Shuttle, 1 gallon fuel bottle, starter, etc by hand?? Any transporting
>tips?? Carrying the heli is OK with one hand (blades held back in a
>foam grip and I carry it by the head), but the rest of the junk...

Modify a golf buggy with some marine ply and some hookage and attach
it to a bicycle.

[Philip Martin]

"darren_uk" <darren_uk.mw9yh@rcgroups.com> wrote in message
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>

>
> ANOTHER QUESTION: Transport: how the hell would I take a Hirobo
> Shuttle, 1 gallon fuel bottle, starter, etc by hand?? Any transporting
> tips?? Carrying the heli is OK with one hand (blades held back in a
> foam grip and I carry it by the head), but the rest of the junk...
>
I know one 'old fella' that's stuck a starter motor and battery in his field
box to get it around;o))))

Phil Martin.



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[Heathdavid]

The only thing I have not spotted in this thread is - Only if you are very good or have a big garden. I have a reasonably sized garden and use it to set up the trim but you need S P A C E to fly. As they say, a tree is 95% air but it will destroy 95% of a heli if you fly into it.

[Heathdavid]

Transport - I bought one of those big plastic tool boxes on wheels that has a flip up long handle. The bottom section has a 17 AHr battery, half a gallon of fuel and the starter and a drink for me :-) The top section carries the transmitter, tools and spares. I built the power pack into the side of it. The battery came from an emergency car starter pack and I built the charger into the box as well. Heli in one hand, drag box in other.