Phase III F16 vs Skyartec F16

[DonQ8401]

Just got my Skyartec F16 and I am comparing it to the Phase III F16. Hopefully I can show some good pictures of my build.

[DonQ8401]

Trying to add more pictures... Computer is freezing up... Sorry...

[Smokescreen38]

Thanks for sharing your pics and input on this plane... it looks pretty nice!

One nice thing about the fan being farther forward on the Phase-3 though is that the exhaust cone can be more gradual...and you don't have the servos in the intake stream. Not only will the servos probably make some turbulence with the way they stick out.. but if one works loose, it's going right into the fan! :eek: Double check the factory glue-job. :)

To me, the taileron slots look like they're probably not better than the Phase-3 ones... are you going to reinforce the fairings or just trust the stock structure?

[DonQ8401]

Yes,

I am going to reinforce the fairings. It looks like the metal rods are thinner than the Phase 3.

AA

[DonQ8401]

More pictures...

[electriceye]

Great, I have been waiing for a good report before buying one of these Hobbyking F-16's (Same as Skyartec I'm reliably informed?).

[DonQ8401]

So far so good the model is the same with a couple of differences.

Pros:
Plastic slots for servos
Hindges to slide bottom fuselage into
Price
Fan motor case screwed on to plane.

Cons:
Still same fairings
Clear plastic nose con and tail exahust
Motor in the back
Not enough room to put plastic covering around motor for exahust

Once I find more I will post.

Yes, it is the same as the ART-Tech

[DonQ8401]

Check out the two guys next to each other... You can see I kept the same paint scheme cause I love it. They are agressors with their own paint style. Looking for inputs on the engine mod.

AA

[electriceye]

Will you be flying the SkyArtech copy with standard motor and fan so you can get a direct 'stock' comparison? So far it is looking fantastic value for money? See through nose and tail cone are easy to correct? so no real major 'cons' to speak of so far?

[SmoothCruizer2]

I'm going to sell mine I think soon, can't get home time to build it and I got a jet screamer motor to play with it.... oh well its going on sale when I get back

[Nadim]

any flight report?

[Nadim]

Have you flown it yet?

[electriceye]

Have you flown it yet?

Yes, come on guys, its all gone very quiet here!!! We are on tenterhooks here, does it fly and if so how well compared to the main contender?!

[DonQ8401]

Guys, Sorry. I have been away. I did an engine reading today and it looked awesome. I used just a 3Cell and got some awesome readings. I will post tom specs. The new plane is loud and powerful remember that it is a six blade and the phase III is a three bladed fan. Cheers

AA

[DonQ8401]

Okay guys some readings. I don't know how great they are... This is what it was showing... seems kind of low to me. I was using a 3C 1750 MAH with 20C.

New l Old
50% Power l (50%)
2.0 Amp 19W l 1.4 Amp 14W

75% Power l (75%)
4.0 Amp 40W l 5.0 Amp 51W

100% Power l (100%)
11.5 Amp 110w l 12.0 Amp 120W

[gundamnitpete]

110w for that size plane isn'nt very much. the phase 3's stock power system makes around 300-350

[DonQ8401]

Ya that is why I am confused with my readings. I don't know what the hell I am doing wrong. I guess I need a new watt meter or something...

AA

[gundamnitpete]

is that with phase 3 motor or the artech motor?

maybe the artek motor is setup more for 4S. on 4S i bet that would pull around around 15 amps and roughly 210 watts, which would be pretty marginal for flight, but do-able.

[relaxr]

110w for that size plane isn'nt very much. the phase 3's stock power system makes around 300-350

A bit lesss . . . I took some days before the reading of my original EF-16 (goes 70mph, like stated) - i found:

23A x 12 V = 276 W

showing how effective this jet is
markus

[Nadim]

Okay guys some readings. I don't know how great they are... This is what it was showing... seems kind of low to me. I was using a 3C 1750 MAH with 20C.

New l Old
50% Power l (50%)
2.0 Amp 19W l 1.4 Amp 14W

75% Power l (75%)
4.0 Amp 40W l 5.0 Amp 51W

100% Power l (100%)
11.5 Amp 110w l 12.0 Amp 120W


Only 120W at full throttle? that don't sounds right, I don't belive it can fly with so low power?

[electriceye]

Guys, Sorry. I have been away. I did an engine reading today and it looked awesome. I used just a 3Cell and got some awesome readings. I will post tom specs. The new plane is loud and powerful remember that it is a six blade and the phase III is a three bladed fan. Cheers

AA

Hi, you thought it looked good at first, unless I have missed something? Are you sure your readings are right, battery good, etc?

[AIR SALLY]

i have fiber glass nose ,tail cones and inlet lip protector that fit the PH III F-16 and a full 70mm inlet duct ...these parts should fit this one too.

[DonQ8401]

Guys,

I am going to get more reading on the field on Sunday. I will use another watt meter reader. Mine maybe bad. I am adding pictures...

AA

[DonQ8401]

Here you go...

[Modelholic]

You can never have too many batteries.....LOL!

[Aero Ace Ace]

I bought one of these awhile back. I swapped the servos for better torque and beefed up the tailerons to make them stronger as well. Maybe I should have put the CG farther forward, but it tended to dive a little on the launch. On 3s the power was abysmal. The only way it would acceptably fly on 3s was by putting a thrust cone on the back with a 55mm opening. The included thrust cone is useless. I swapped out the ESC to try 4s, and it moved along well, but the motor smelled rather toasty.

I was going to swap out a 70mm fan but I never got around to it and ended up pulling out the servos and rx. So it's sitting on my shelf waiting for a few extra bucks to get it back in the air.

[DonQ8401]

Guys,

This is what I got out of my 4S 20C 3000 MAH Zippy Battery. Stock Motor!!!!

AA

[Nadim]

Now that's what it should look like :) I’ll probably fly REALLY fast at 474 W...did you get any readings on a 3 cell?


Nadim

[DonQ8401]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF_CeqdmR3k

check out the video...

[DonQ8401]

Damn It!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYbP51Wo4LU

Lost the taileron...

[barneyj]

Well, it was certainly faster than mine. Now if someone would've just reinforced that taileron pivot in the fuse. . . ;)

[DonQ8401]

I was in.a hurry because I wanted to see it fly. Where is yours? The rods in the art are smaller and thinner than the ones from the phase.

[electriceye]

Sorry to see. What caused the crash? On the video it zipped along fine? Was that stock but 4s?

[DonQ8401]

Yes,

It was 4S with the stock motor. No problems...

[DonQ8401]

Ok the motor burnt out.. i think it burnt out cause it got whacked out of balance with the first crash...

[barneyj]

Sorry I missed the smoke show. I think jason and I were running our trucks. . . wait a second. . . So you're saying you used the old fan unit in your new plane? We have to get you flying combat.

At least you remembered to reinforce the taileron this time.

[electriceye]

Yes,

It was 4S with the stock motor. No problems...

How was the performance with the stock set up on 3s compared to Phase 3 stock on 3s or didn't you try it? I suspect the componants on these budget EDF's, whilst 'a lot of bang for your buck' are being pushed much to their limits on 3s, if you go 4s they are taken over the edge. Bang!!
I bet the stock Phase 3 setup won't last long on 4s??

[DonQ8401]

Hey someone had to spend the big bucks and push the envelope. HaHaHa. Your correct I did not check what it did with the 3s, but mabey once they come out with a 3 1/2S it will work for this setup. Remeber the HK F16 is an outrunner not an inrunner like phase 3.

[barneyj]

Are you back? It's getting windy in Ewa.

[DonQ8401]

Hellz no It is 5 am in Chitose, Japan. I am working I think... I spent the day yesterday on you tube looking at silencers for my AR15. hehehehe

[barneyj]

We'll be expecting 'omiyage' when you get back.

[electriceye]

Hey someone had to spend the big bucks and push the envelope. HaHaHa. Your correct I did not check what it did with the 3s, but mabey once they come out with a 3 1/2S it will work for this setup. Remeber the HK F16 is an outrunner not an inrunner like phase 3.

Outrunner may aid cooling, and yes, ok, I'm a cheapskate!! You sussed me out!! I'm just trying to find out if this seemigly great value model is worth the massive outlay, or false economy compared to the proven to be excellent Phase 3. There, I've laid my soul bare!! Some say I'm so tight I squeak when I walk!!:)

[DonQ8401]

There is nothing wrong with getting the same product at a way cheaper price... I love cheapness....

[DonQ8401]

Love it....

[barneyj]

Whatsit and when do we see it at the field?

[DonQ8401]

Whatsit and when do we see it at the field?

It should be in the field sunday.

[barneyj]

Are you going to mount your camera in it?

[DonQ8401]

Are you going to mount your camera in it?

Nah I am not going to mount it on the F15.