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Philip Martin
Apr 19, 2003, 04:02 AM
I picked this link up on a planks RC NG.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H2DA41C34
Although this was probably a total chance in a thousand accident, it
certainly focuses the mind on where we fly out toys!
Phil Martin.
Carl Farrington
Apr 19, 2003, 04:03 AM
"Philip Martin" <philip.martin@wetnwild.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I picked this link up on a planks RC NG.
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?H2DA41C34
>
> Although this was probably a total chance in a thousand accident, it
> certainly focuses the mind on where we fly out toys!
>
> Phil Martin.
>
>
>
mmm this has been through my mind a few times lately. Kids always swarm
around when I fire my chopper up and I warn them to stay out of the away.
They always end up coming too close for comfort
Smog
Apr 19, 2003, 04:03 AM
To be a little blunt Carl, I, personally would not even consider flying my
copter anywhere near where there are kids unless I am sure they where
completely aware of all the dangers involved with what was going on. Kids
are very unpredictable as I am sure you know. Your eyes are on the heli and
what its doing and not on the kid that's about to come well into range of
your model, usually completely out of your lateral or even peripheral
vision. It only takes a servo failure or complete TX to RX loss of sig and
anything could happen.
If there is even a slight hint of kids in the vicinity I always either pack
up and leave to fly another time or wait until I am sure the coast is
completely clear .
Is is just not worth the risk.
That my view anyway.
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"Carl Farrington" <carl@000compsup000.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Philip Martin" <philip.martin@wetnwild.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:b7oev3$273$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> > I picked this link up on a planks RC NG.
> >
> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?H2DA41C34
> >
> > Although this was probably a total chance in a thousand accident, it
> > certainly focuses the mind on where we fly out toys!
> >
> > Phil Martin.
> >
> >
> >
>
> mmm this has been through my mind a few times lately. Kids always swarm
> around when I fire my chopper up and I warn them to stay out of the away.
> They always end up coming too close for comfort
>
>
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Rhodesst
Apr 19, 2003, 04:03 AM
>If there is even a slight hint of kids in the vicinity I always either pack
>up and leave to fly another time or wait until I am sure the coast is
>completely clear .
>Is is just not worth the risk.
>That my view anyway.
>
>--
>
>Jim Burrill
That's a very prudent choice to make Jim. I can't imagine the grief that
family is going through right now. I'd also be willing to bet that there won't
be any more RC flying at that park again, which is a shame.
I think this is a very good case for flying at dedicated RC parks that are
located as far as possible from populated areas. I know, that's not easy for a
lot of us but it's certainly something to strive for if possible.
I'm lucky enough to belong to two RC clubs. Both have nice flying areas that
are reasonably seperated from any residential areas. The people you'll see
there are all interested in RC, not just some citizen who happened to be
walking by. That means we all know the risks involved and when someone does
show up with children, there's usually enough folks around that understand the
dangers to keep an eye on them and their parents if they're new to the sport
too.
Most folks do think of our models as toys but as this story graphically
illustrates, they're toys that can kill under the right circumstances. It's up
to us to use our own common sense to try to minimize that risk.
My sincere condolences to the Lipscombe family.
Please Fly Safe,
Steve R.
Andy Carpenter
Apr 19, 2003, 04:03 AM
"Smog" <leds@jbphonetech.info> wrote in message
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> To be a little blunt Carl, I, personally would not even consider flying my
> copter anywhere near where there are kids unless I am sure they where
> completely aware of all the dangers involved with what was going on. Kids
> are very unpredictable as I am sure you know. Your eyes are on the heli
and
> what its doing and not on the kid that's about to come well into range of
> your model, usually completely out of your lateral or even peripheral
> vision. It only takes a servo failure or complete TX to RX loss of sig
and
> anything could happen.
> If there is even a slight hint of kids in the vicinity I always either
pack
> up and leave to fly another time or wait until I am sure the coast is
> completely clear .
> Is is just not worth the risk.
> That my view anyway.
>
> --
>
> Jim Burrill
I have to agree. As soon as people turn up to close (or dogs) I land ASAP
and explain how dangerous the thing is. If they don't get out of the way,
then that is my flying thorugh for the day.
However, since deciding not to fly at the public site any more (Epsom) this
hasn't been much of a problem as the club field rarely gets visitors.
The reason for not flying at Epsom any more - two helis downed within a
month by plank flyers. The second one apparantly exclaiming with some glee
"That's number two !!!". It would seem a contingent there have taken a
dislike to heli fliers (jealousy ?) and are attempting to drive them away
with forceful tactics. The result has been one Millie almost written off,
and one Raptor which probably is a write off. The planes were the cheapo
polystyrene crap that costs about £50.
I'm kind of hoping that this incident may have caused them to reconsider
their actions and realise how dangerous the game they are playing is. BTW,
does any one know if there is more to the rhyme of "plankers" and
"wankers" - the coincidence just seems too convenient :)
Carps
Gromit
Apr 22, 2003, 04:02 AM
All clubs should run a decent frequency allocation system to avoid
shootdowns though I am not implying that this was the course of the accident
you refer to.
At our club, plane and heli fliers work together to avoid problems and all
forms of RC flying take place in resonable harmony, no accidents have
occured since the "dedicated field " was purchased by the club a couple of
years ago. .
I used to fly at a club which used the town horse race track (properly
formed and with the permission of the local council who are the owners,
registered with the BMFA etc)
They obviously couldn't fly on race days which were few and far between but
lots of people used the race course for other things, like football matches,
fishing in the lake, dog walking, kite flying, golf practice etc etc.
Makes you very nervous and the need for a "lookout" is paramount.
The obvious thing is to use a dedicated field even if it means travelling
that bit further.
Testing heli's in the back garden is also a bad idea unless you live on a
farm.
Gromit
"Andy Carpenter" <andy@REMOVEcarpsTHE.coUPPER.ukCASE> wrote in message
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>
> "Smog" <leds@jbphonetech.info> wrote in message
> news:b7pt0c$610$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > To be a little blunt Carl, I, personally would not even consider flying
my
> > copter anywhere near where there are kids unless I am sure they where
> > completely aware of all the dangers involved with what was going on.
Kids
> > are very unpredictable as I am sure you know. Your eyes are on the heli
> and
> > what its doing and not on the kid that's about to come well into range
of
> > your model, usually completely out of your lateral or even peripheral
> > vision. It only takes a servo failure or complete TX to RX loss of sig
> and
> > anything could happen.
> > If there is even a slight hint of kids in the vicinity I always either
> pack
> > up and leave to fly another time or wait until I am sure the coast is
> > completely clear .
> > Is is just not worth the risk.
> > That my view anyway.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Jim Burrill
>
> I have to agree. As soon as people turn up to close (or dogs) I land ASAP
> and explain how dangerous the thing is. If they don't get out of the way,
> then that is my flying thorugh for the day.
> However, since deciding not to fly at the public site any more (Epsom)
this
> hasn't been much of a problem as the club field rarely gets visitors.
>
> The reason for not flying at Epsom any more - two helis downed within a
> month by plank flyers. The second one apparantly exclaiming with some
glee
> "That's number two !!!". It would seem a contingent there have taken a
> dislike to heli fliers (jealousy ?) and are attempting to drive them away
> with forceful tactics. The result has been one Millie almost written off,
> and one Raptor which probably is a write off. The planes were the cheapo
> polystyrene crap that costs about £50.
> I'm kind of hoping that this incident may have caused them to reconsider
> their actions and realise how dangerous the game they are playing is.
BTW,
> does any one know if there is more to the rhyme of "plankers" and
> "wankers" - the coincidence just seems too convenient :)
>
> Carps
>
>
>
>
>
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Andy Carpenter
Apr 22, 2003, 04:02 AM
Perhaps I wasn't entirely clear in my original post - the planes flew into
the helis.
BTW, Epsom is a public site, and they exercise no frequency control beyond
each person checking (if they remember) - It really is very dodgy, but there
are lots of old boys there that have been flying since the year dot and "we
never had a problem before..."
"Gromit" <Gromit@no spam more cheese.anyplace.co.uk> wrote in message
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> All clubs should run a decent frequency allocation system to avoid
> shootdowns though I am not implying that this was the course of the
accident
> you refer to.
> At our club, plane and heli fliers work together to avoid problems and all
> forms of RC flying take place in resonable harmony, no accidents have
> occured since the "dedicated field " was purchased by the club a couple of
> years ago. .
> I used to fly at a club which used the town horse race track (properly
> formed and with the permission of the local council who are the owners,
> registered with the BMFA etc)
> They obviously couldn't fly on race days which were few and far between
but
> lots of people used the race course for other things, like football
matches,
> fishing in the lake, dog walking, kite flying, golf practice etc etc.
> Makes you very nervous and the need for a "lookout" is paramount.
> The obvious thing is to use a dedicated field even if it means travelling
> that bit further.
> Testing heli's in the back garden is also a bad idea unless you live on a
> farm.
>
> Gromit
>
> "Andy Carpenter" <andy@REMOVEcarpsTHE.coUPPER.ukCASE> wrote in message
> news:b7qp28$s2i$1@titan.btinternet.com...
> >
> > "Smog" <leds@jbphonetech.info> wrote in message
> > news:b7pt0c$610$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > To be a little blunt Carl, I, personally would not even consider
flying
> my
> > > copter anywhere near where there are kids unless I am sure they where
> > > completely aware of all the dangers involved with what was going on.
> Kids
> > > are very unpredictable as I am sure you know. Your eyes are on the
heli
> > and
> > > what its doing and not on the kid that's about to come well into range
> of
> > > your model, usually completely out of your lateral or even peripheral
> > > vision. It only takes a servo failure or complete TX to RX loss of
sig
> > and
> > > anything could happen.
> > > If there is even a slight hint of kids in the vicinity I always either
> > pack
> > > up and leave to fly another time or wait until I am sure the coast is
> > > completely clear .
> > > Is is just not worth the risk.
> > > That my view anyway.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Jim Burrill
> >
> > I have to agree. As soon as people turn up to close (or dogs) I land
ASAP
> > and explain how dangerous the thing is. If they don't get out of the
way,
> > then that is my flying thorugh for the day.
> > However, since deciding not to fly at the public site any more (Epsom)
> this
> > hasn't been much of a problem as the club field rarely gets visitors.
> >
> > The reason for not flying at Epsom any more - two helis downed within a
> > month by plank flyers. The second one apparantly exclaiming with some
> glee
> > "That's number two !!!". It would seem a contingent there have taken a
> > dislike to heli fliers (jealousy ?) and are attempting to drive them
away
> > with forceful tactics. The result has been one Millie almost written
off,
> > and one Raptor which probably is a write off. The planes were the
cheapo
> > polystyrene crap that costs about £50.
> > I'm kind of hoping that this incident may have caused them to reconsider
> > their actions and realise how dangerous the game they are playing is.
> BTW,
> > does any one know if there is more to the rhyme of "plankers" and
> > "wankers" - the coincidence just seems too convenient :)
> >
> > Carps
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Smog
Apr 22, 2003, 04:02 AM
"Andy Carpenter" <andy@REMOVEcarpsTHE.coUPPER.ukCASE> wrote in message
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> Perhaps I wasn't entirely clear in my original post - the planes flew into
> the helis.
> BTW, Epsom is a public site, and they exercise no frequency control beyond
> each person checking (if they remember) - It really is very dodgy, but
there
> are lots of old boys there that have been flying since the year dot and
"we
> never had a problem before..."
Unfortunately "grandfather rights" are not always the safest and best way to
conduct matters.
--
Jim Burrill
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