Raptor 50V2 crash #2 - cost the same as a pair of average shoes

[Heli Genius]

Sunday 06-Apr-03

I was cutting the grass when all of a sudden, the engine died - YAAAK
:-( I fed in lots of neg and pulled back on cyclic - not enough rotor
speed left, crunch - tail (followed very quickly by everything else) in the
dirt.

Cause of engine failure:-
Muffler had come loose - bah, gonna use 5 min epoxy from now on.

Damage due to crashing vertically, tail into dirt with not much headspeed
left from approx 6ft (tail-down vertical, measured tail to ground):-

Main blades
Flybar
Feathering shaft
Main Shaft

£40 total (wood blades TF).

Moral of the story? Buy a Raptor and fly the beans out of it over soft
ground :-)

I wonder how much the same crash would have cost someone flying an Xcell or
summat like that over concrete?

JB

[Courseyauto]

<Moral of the story? Buy a Raptor and fly the beans out of it over soft
ground :-)

I wonder how much the same crash would have cost someone flying an Xcell or
summat like that over concrete?

JB
>>>>

I crashed my xcell into a tree and only broke the blades. Battery died once
while i was flaring it to land and it did a complete flip and only stripped the
main gear teeth off for the T/R drive.
Those Xcells are really rugged heli's and cheap to repair.............

[Beav]

"Heli Genius" <I_know_all@notreal.com> wrote in message
news:qnGka.119$%h2.74@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Sunday 06-Apr-03
>
> I was cutting the grass when all of a sudden, the engine died - YAAAK
> :-( I fed in lots of neg and pulled back on cyclic - not enough rotor
> speed left, crunch - tail (followed very quickly by everything else) in
the
> dirt.
>
> Cause of engine failure:-
> Muffler had come loose - bah, gonna use 5 min epoxy from now on.

Cause of engine failure, loss of fuel pressure. Try running without a
pressure line and that problem can NEVER happen.
>
> Damage due to crashing vertically, tail into dirt with not much headspeed
> left from approx 6ft (tail-down vertical, measured tail to ground):-

Doesn't make a lot of sense from where I'm sitting HG. When you're legs up
and pull back stick in, the tail is the LAST thing to hit the deck, if it
hit's it at all. I've decked a few heli's inverted and never even dented a
tail boom doing it. Must be them craptors :-)



> Main blades
> Flybar
> Feathering shaft
> Main Shaft
>
> £40 total (wood blades TF).
>
> Moral of the story? Buy a Raptor and fly the beans out of it over soft
> ground :-)
>
> I wonder how much the same crash would have cost someone flying an Xcell
or
> summat like that over concrete?

One Bell/Hiller mixer and a pair of scraped blades :-)


--
Beav


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(with the obvious changes)

Beavisland now lives at
www.beavisoriginal.co.uk

[Heli Genius]

"Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
news:NWIka.5443$0i4.34593@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net...
>
>
> "Heli Genius" <I_know_all@notreal.com> wrote in message
> news:qnGka.119$%h2.74@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > Sunday 06-Apr-03
> >
> > I was cutting the grass when all of a sudden, the engine died - YAAAK
> > :-( I fed in lots of neg and pulled back on cyclic - not enough rotor
> > speed left, crunch - tail (followed very quickly by everything else) in
> the
> > dirt.
> >
> > Cause of engine failure:-
> > Muffler had come loose - bah, gonna use 5 min epoxy from now on.
>
> Cause of engine failure, loss of fuel pressure. Try running without a
> pressure line and that problem can NEVER happen.

Might try that. First I'll try a smear of epoxy on the joint.

> >
> > Damage due to crashing vertically, tail into dirt with not much
headspeed
> > left from approx 6ft (tail-down vertical, measured tail to ground):-
>
> Doesn't make a lot of sense from where I'm sitting HG. When you're legs up
> and pull back stick in, the tail is the LAST thing to hit the deck, if it
> hit's it at all.

You're right. I must've pushed - I was nose in and I pushed the tail down
(away).

I've decked a few heli's inverted and never even dented a
> tail boom doing it. Must be them craptors :-)

Must be! I wonder if it would have been better for me just to have held it
inverted until all the headspeed had bled off the let it crash 'legs up'. I
would probably have gotten away with just a flybar!

>
>
>
> > Main blades
> > Flybar
> > Feathering shaft
> > Main Shaft
> >
> > £40 total (wood blades TF).
> >
> > Moral of the story? Buy a Raptor and fly the beans out of it over soft
> > ground :-)
> >
> > I wonder how much the same crash would have cost someone flying an Xcell
> or
> > summat like that over concrete?
>
> One Bell/Hiller mixer and a pair of scraped blades :-)
>
>
> --
> Beav
>
>
> Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
> (with the obvious changes)
>
> Beavisland now lives at
> www.beavisoriginal.co.uk
>
>

[Beav]

"Heli Genius" <I_know_all@notreal.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
> news:NWIka.5443$0i4.34593@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net...
> >
> >
> > "Heli Genius" <I_know_all@notreal.com> wrote in message
> > news:qnGka.119$%h2.74@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> > > Sunday 06-Apr-03
> > >
> > > I was cutting the grass when all of a sudden, the engine died - YAAAK
> > > :-( I fed in lots of neg and pulled back on cyclic - not enough
rotor
> > > speed left, crunch - tail (followed very quickly by everything else)
in
> > the
> > > dirt.
> > >
> > > Cause of engine failure:-
> > > Muffler had come loose - bah, gonna use 5 min epoxy from now on.
> >
> > Cause of engine failure, loss of fuel pressure. Try running without a
> > pressure line and that problem can NEVER happen.
>
> Might try that. First I'll try a smear of epoxy on the joint.
>
> > >
> > > Damage due to crashing vertically, tail into dirt with not much
> headspeed
> > > left from approx 6ft (tail-down vertical, measured tail to ground):-
> >
> > Doesn't make a lot of sense from where I'm sitting HG. When you're legs
up
> > and pull back stick in, the tail is the LAST thing to hit the deck, if
it
> > hit's it at all.
>
> You're right. I must've pushed - I was nose in and I pushed the tail down
> (away).
>
> I've decked a few heli's inverted and never even dented a
> > tail boom doing it. Must be them craptors :-)
>
> Must be! I wonder if it would have been better for me just to have held
it
> inverted until all the headspeed had bled off the let it crash 'legs up'.
I
> would probably have gotten away with just a flybar!

It's VERY hard to do that, but it IS the "correct" way. Very little damage
ensues as a rule.


--
Beav


Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot com"
(with the obvious changes)

Beavisland now lives at
www.beavisoriginal.co.uk

[Angelos Gonias]

i agree. cheap helis is the only way to stay in the hobby.
my last R50V2 crash costed me the same as a new kit though. i did a very
fast 540 stall turn and once i centered the rudder i had no control of the
heli. too hard to tell what happened from the pieces generated from a nose
down 300+ feet drop, but i suspect the battery came loose during the fast
pirouette, then just dropped and got disconnected while the heli was
pointing down.


"Heli Genius" <I_know_all@notreal.com> wrote in message
news:qnGka.119$%h2.74@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Sunday 06-Apr-03
>
> I was cutting the grass when all of a sudden, the engine died - YAAAK
> :-( I fed in lots of neg and pulled back on cyclic - not enough rotor
> speed left, crunch - tail (followed very quickly by everything else) in
the
> dirt.
>
> Cause of engine failure:-
> Muffler had come loose - bah, gonna use 5 min epoxy from now on.
>
> Damage due to crashing vertically, tail into dirt with not much headspeed
> left from approx 6ft (tail-down vertical, measured tail to ground):-
>
> Main blades
> Flybar
> Feathering shaft
> Main Shaft
>
> £40 total (wood blades TF).
>
> Moral of the story? Buy a Raptor and fly the beans out of it over soft
> ground :-)
>
> I wonder how much the same crash would have cost someone flying an Xcell
or
> summat like that over concrete?
>
> JB
>
>

[Kurt]

Better make that "JB Weld" the 5 minute epoxy will burn right off of the
exhaust!

Kurt


On Wed, 9 Apr 2003 06:35:36 +0100, "Heli Genius" <I_know_all@notreal.com>
wrote:

>
>"Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
>news:NWIka.5443$0i4.34593@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net...
>>
>>
>> "Heli Genius" <I_know_all@notreal.com> wrote in message
>> news:qnGka.119$%h2.74@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> > Sunday 06-Apr-03
>> >
>> > I was cutting the grass when all of a sudden, the engine died - =
YAAAK
>> > :-( I fed in lots of neg and pulled back on cyclic - not enough =
rotor
>> > speed left, crunch - tail (followed very quickly by everything else)=
in
>> the
>> > dirt.
>> >
>> > Cause of engine failure:-
>> > Muffler had come loose - bah, gonna use 5 min epoxy from now on.
>>
>> Cause of engine failure, loss of fuel pressure. Try running without a
>> pressure line and that problem can NEVER happen.
>
>Might try that. First I'll try a smear of epoxy on the joint.
>
>> >
>> > Damage due to crashing vertically, tail into dirt with not much
>headspeed
>> > left from approx 6ft (tail-down vertical, measured tail to ground):-
>>
>> Doesn't make a lot of sense from where I'm sitting HG. When you're =
legs up
>> and pull back stick in, the tail is the LAST thing to hit the deck, if=
it
>> hit's it at all.
>
>You're right. I must've pushed - I was nose in and I pushed the tail =
down
>(away).
>
> I've decked a few heli's inverted and never even dented a
>> tail boom doing it. Must be them craptors :-)
>
>Must be! I wonder if it would have been better for me just to have held=
it
>inverted until all the headspeed had bled off the let it crash 'legs =
up'. I
>would probably have gotten away with just a flybar!
>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Main blades
>> > Flybar
>> > Feathering shaft
>> > Main Shaft
>> >
>> > =A340 total (wood blades TF).
>> >
>> > Moral of the story? Buy a Raptor and fly the beans out of it over =
soft
>> > ground :-)
>> >
>> > I wonder how much the same crash would have cost someone flying an =
Xcell
>> or
>> > summat like that over concrete?
>>
>> One Bell/Hiller mixer and a pair of scraped blades :-)
>>
>>
>> --
>> Beav
>>
>>
>> Please note my E-mail address is "beavis dot original at ntlworld dot =
com"
>> (with the obvious changes)
>>
>> Beavisland now lives at
>> www.beavisoriginal.co.uk
>>
>>
>

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[nospam@noway.com]

I JB Welded the muffler on my shuttle and it failed also. Now I am
going to peen the end of the through bolt so it can't ever happen
again.

On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:10:34 GMT, Kurt <mr_wizard@attbi.com> wrote:

>Better make that "JB Weld" the 5 minute epoxy will burn right off of the
>exhaust!
>
>Kurt
>
>
>On Wed, 9 Apr 2003 06:35:36 +0100, "Heli Genius" <I_know_all@notreal.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Beav" <beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote in message
>>news:NWIka.5443$0i4.34593@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Heli Genius" <I_know_all@notreal.com> wrote in message
>>> news:qnGka.119$%h2.74@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>> > Sunday 06-Apr-03
>>> >
>>> > I was cutting the grass when all of a sudden, the engine died - =
>YAAAK
>>> > :-( I fed in lots of neg and pulled back on cyclic - not enough =
>rotor
>>> > speed left, crunch - tail (followed very quickly by everything else)=
> in
>>> the
>>> > dirt.
>>> >
>>> > Cause of engine failure:-
>>> > Muffler had come loose - bah, gonna use 5 min epoxy from now on.
>>>
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