New Afterburners Kit on Haoye SU-27 / Mig 29 or whatever

[Joe 1320]

It's advertised as an SU-27, but it's not really all that close so I compare it to a MIG-29 and some parts look right so who knows. To me it looks more like a MIG 29 so that's how the final bashing will be done. It's bare foam for now, that gets finished later.

I had flew one of these some time back as a twin EDF amp hog and it wasn't the greatest but I recently redid another version as a pusher prop and what a difference! This is a great jet with a Don's wicked 3000 and 4.5x4.1 apc prop. The drop in weight allowed me to do some dress up.

I've come up with a design that allows electronic afterburner lighting that can be installed and removed easily. The First version is for pusher props, the EDF versions will be out soon.

There are many ways to hook these up, including hooking it into the throttle channel as I have it so that the afterburners ramp up along with the throttle. The nicest part of this is that the kit pops into place with no glue and can be removed just as quickly. The longest part of the install is hooking up the wires to either a power source or your receiver. The lights are multi color so to reproduce the orange afterburner glow and can be chained together for as much of an effect as desired. I came up with this design and thought how nice it would be to produce a kit for use in various size ducts. So......... is the design worth persuit or no? I'll continue to make them for myself but wondered if there were any interest by other members so let me know. :)

Here is the product installed.

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/3082/009nru.jpg

and here it is active:

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1620/004ydj.jpg

[mudman1959]

Looks good... What kind of a power draw do the lights use? I think I would still glue or secure them in so that there is no chance of them coming out and getting tangled in the prop. What kind of price will you be asking for these if and when you kit them?

Mudman1959

[Chrysagon]

very interesting, must agree looks like a Mig back end.
What current draw on the LED's

Chas :)

Oops, just noticed Mudman asked the question already.

[morgantwin11]

Where did you pick up this kit? It looks pretty nice, although not the most scale.

[i12flyrc]

They look great. How much are they and where can I get them?
I'd love to have a set or 2 or 3. :)

[Joe 1320]

Looks good... What kind of a power draw do the lights use? I think I would still glue or secure them in so that there is no chance of them coming out and getting tangled in the prop. What kind of price will you be asking for these if and when you kit them?

Mudman1959

They will be secured. ;) Price isn't quite settled yet, I'm still working out the whole arrangement. It will come in at less than what's out there currently. :D

They look great. How much are they and where can I get them?
I'd love to have a set or 2 or 3. :)

Looks like if there's enough interest, I'll have them available soon.

very interesting, must agree looks like a Mig back end.
What current draw on the LED's

Chas :)

Oops, just noticed Mudman asked the question already.

I'll have that for you this evening.

Where did you pick up this kit? It looks pretty nice, although not the most scale.

That's for sure. The airframe is by Haoye models in China, where to find one is a trick. They were all over the market a few years back, I pulled mine out of the storage closet after not seeing the light of day for quite some time. I had the hankering for more of a floater and pulled this one out for some R&D with the light kit. It's advertised as an SU-27, but really doesn't look close enough to a Flanker to call it that. It looks more like a MIG so I'm going that route. After the tail cones are added and the colors are sprayed, it should look reasonable as long as you don't compare it to a scale model.


Glad you guys like what you see. At dusk the view is stunning. I'll get some footage as soon as I can con my camera man , er.... woman..... into shooting some pics and video. :cool:

[Joe 1320]

Amp draw shows .1 A at full power on 3s (max voltage) per side. So the twins are .2 amps. :cool:

What is pictured in the original post are the single burners in each side. There are plans for doubles and triples, depending on how wild you want to go. With triples in each side on twin nozzles, amp draw would still only be .6 amps.

[MartinT]

This is awesome!

[Joe 1320]

Thanks for all the positive comments, guys. I'm till palying around with a final design, the biggest issue is that there are so many options, I'm not exactly sure how wild to go with it. I think modular design mightbe the best, that way the consumer can chain the afterburners together for as much of an effect as desired. I can even do 8 rows starting with a progressive color shift from blue to red. :cool: That's the closest thing to the real deal yet.

[Joe 1320]

I was able to get my girl to snap a few photos. It was cloudy and VERY difficult to catch this bird in focus. But...... she did a great job. :cool:

[Rusty-Gunn]

These are too cool.

[Joe 1320]

The newer version that I'm working on goes a bit further. There is a color shift that goes blue, white, yellow then red to replicate the full scale jet's combustion effect. I'm sorting out the whole configuration so I'll post more pics soon.

[i12flyrc]

Any chance you might be at eJets in September and if so will you be bring any to sell???

[Joe 1320]

I probably won't have units for beta testing until late September. I would doubt that eJets will see these yet. Folks on here will get a first shot, after that they will start making a show at some events.

[atr98]

Looks similar to the Ultrafy su 27

[MYC]

So Joe... Where are we at with this project? I'm definately interested

Mark

[Joe 1320]

So Joe... Where are we at with this project? I'm definately interested

Mark

Hi Mark! Thanks for the interest!

Here's where I'm at......... additional colors are being added to represent a color shift from blue though red for a more full spectrum effect. These will work on pusher jets with open tail cones or on EDFs that use thrust tubes. I should have the working prototype EDF unit installed shortly so stand by over the next week for an update.

This has been an exciting project, I've received quite a few comments both in e-mail and PM. beta testors may be needed shortly, so anyone interested in a beta test needs to send me a PM. Size ranges will be from 40mm and larger, custom sizes and configurations also possible. I'm actually quite surprised at the result, they work better than I expected...... got lucky on this one! :D

[killickb]

Joe, those A/B's look great; question --- how easy to retrofit re wiring requirements? Also, as you are going through the color change will they need a propo channel control rather than on/off? Have a couple of pusher jets that could use but all of my d/f scale are of pre A/B era aircraft !!! However as these are to cool I may have to deviate from "true" scale !!!
Keep up the development work

[Joe 1320]

Joe, those A/B's look great; question --- how easy to retrofit re wiring requirements? Also, as you are going through the color change will they need a propo channel control rather than on/off? Have a couple of pusher jets that could use but all of my d/f scale are of pre A/B era aircraft !!! However as these are to cool I may have to deviate from "true" scale !!!
Keep up the development work


It all depends on the kit configuration desired. There will be several options. one will be an aways on, switched on or off via transmitter and one will be tied into the throttle channel or slave if you have transmitter mixing options. When tied to the throttle channel, they start to fire up at low throttles and get brighter as you add more throttle. It's a simple enough to retrofit, but it's much easier to incorporate them into the build.

I'll have a video up soon.

[beanie]

joe, count me in for a few as well. great job! can't wait to see the final product.
-beanie

[Smokin_Joes]

Subscribing, these sure are purdy!

[chopperscott]

Any news on these awesome light kits yet? :D

[Joe 1320]

The new configuration looks sweet as heck. I should have pics by Sunday night. I need a little help from some fellow RCG members.....

Since I don't have every jet out there, I need some measurements of the exhaust tube(s) from various pusher prop kits. Not the outlet size unless there is no reducer cone. For most EDFs I can get by with the fans size as a rule of thumb, it would be helpful if folks could even post some pics of the various edf exhaust outlets. Keep in mind that afterburners should only be used in an edf application when a clear thrust tube is used. Can they be used in a model without a thrust tube? yes...... but getting them to stay in place requires additional work on your part (glue them into place) and the fact that this many little bumps in the airstream might reduce thrust a few grams. I'll know for sure in a few days. ;)

So if you folks could help me out a little, I would be very grateful. :) That and you'll get your afterburner kits quicker. :p

[Joe 1320]

Here's a quick low resolution video. These are even brighter. I have to get a friend of mine with a better camera to capture the actual colors, this will give an idea to how effect looks. :cool: The colors change as it passes by, just like the real thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ztUiODNS98

[Sammy70]

Looks very interesting Joe! They sure seem bright enough in your video.

Hmm, what do I have that could use these.... :)

[Joe 1320]

Thanks! These are super bright to say the least. I can't wait to get this version in the air. The color change is awesome.

[Tram]

This would look awesome in the upcoming RCLander Mig 17..

[i12flyrc]

PM Sent.

[Joe 1320]

Here is a slightly better video. There is a problem...... these things are so bright that the colors seem to get washed out on video. :eek: this setup is on a Freewing F-35. Check the reflections on teh table and off the rear of the model for an idea of the color shift. This alpha version prototype is wired in such a way that I can reconfigure them for different test fits. There will be no visible wires on the beta kits

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2fqxPN_WC8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vivIDmNRP0k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAqRMmKeiC0

[Smokin_Joes]

holy bright!

[Joe 1320]

holy bright!

You ain't kidding, brother. It's seems futile trying to film these and get an accurate color, the intense light is washing out the colors. They are blue on the innermost ring, then white, followed by yellow and finally red on the outside edges. It duplicates the colors of fire quite well.

[Smokin_Joes]

You know, I ran into similar issue when filming LED angel eye upgrades to my car (everyone always want's brighter lights- right?)

Anyway, one thing I found was to video from a bit of a distance (and angle) and that way the camera, either video or still has a better chance to capture the colors better. So give that a shot?

I guess you have to level the (back) lighting so that you can capture the colors rather than the camera over exposing due to the super brightness of the LEDs. I'm no photo geek/pro, but thought to share my experience.

Your work to date is awesome Joe!

Cheers~

Neil

[chopperscott]

They look absolutely @#$%&!*ing awesome!

[Joe 1320]

Beta testing for 70mm EDFs is closed, but another round of smaller edfs and pusher prop kits will be coming soon.

[Shezer]

How do they look in bright sunlight?

[DandarBoom2147]

Is there anyway for these to ever work on a 4S?

[crxmanpat]

Joe,

Sending you a PM to get on the list for smaller (say 55mm or so) setups.

Pat

[Joe 1320]

Is there anyway for these to ever work on a 4S?

Yes and no....... yes in that you can fly on 4s, but this has to be stepped down in voltage to no more than 3s.

[MartinT]

How's the progress?

[p39airacobra]

Joe,

Just got on the thread and your idea is exactly what I have been looking for my MiG-25R pusher. Can you supply any additional details/information.

Thanks.

MiG-25RB Lover