Muncie group F&F Streamer combat design.

[Dr. Sandy Frank]

attached is a KILLER Blue Foam Streamer combat model...

[smokejohnson]

Thanks for the plans doc. I'll post some pics of my build if it's ok with you.

[ArmyFlight]

yeah, i like this one too...ill build one tomorrow and put my build pics up as well

[Dr. Sandy Frank]

Thanks for the plans doc. I'll post some pics of my build if it's ok with you.

go 4 it...........

[Dr. Sandy Frank]

yeah, i like this one too...ill build one tomorrow and put my build pics up as well


they are killers.....

I have a dozen or so..............

I take tha vertival fin shape and add one each as wingtiplets

improves the charasteristics loads...

[ArmyFlight]

man I like it! I hope it flies good because it may become my car plane. and combat sounds fun.

[Dr. Sandy Frank]

man I like it! I hope it flies good because it may become my car plane. and combat sounds fun.

the CG MUST be 1.75 back from the LE it is important and critical do not change it,,,

I use 70% expo with about 1/2 throws it is a hot dog machine...

they use 2 cell 1300 lipo

I use that and 3 cell 900 pack

same weight

and a 9X7.5 GWS fast prop

it is FUN

[Dr. Sandy Frank]

CG is VERY important.....

1.75 back from LE at motor

looks like your Motor may be close



DO NOT TRY it TAIL HEAVY !@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1.75 is proper and needs to be right on it.......

[smokejohnson]

Looking good ArmyFlight. Combat is a 5 minute adrenaline rush that's highly addictive :D .

Here's a couple of pics of my F&F, it's almost finished. I'm also attaching a few pics from the combat we flew last weekend.

[dlw151947]

man I like it! I hope it flies good because it may become my car plane. and combat sounds fun.
I noticed that you doubled the leading edge back a little ways.I did my first 2 planes. What I found out is they take a leading edge hit a little better but the plane seems to fly a little slower because of the drag.
Buzzy

[Dr. Sandy Frank]

The most fun that you can have in aeromodeling...

for the least price and hassle of any...

and I have been in it over 50 years...

killer fun fast and cheap....

[ArmyFlight]

yeah doc, i think ill have to scootch my motor forward. I think I'm just going to build a 1" coroplast box for the motor. i dont like stick mounts and dont have any.

[Sailor Jerry]

Neat design! I might have to come up from Indy to join the fun! Are there any rules against building a box fuselage? I like to keep my gear inside the plane.

One more question, what's the distance from the LE of the wing to the TE of the elevator? It's cut off in the attached plan.

[dlw151947]

Neat design! I might have to come up from Indy to join the fun! Are there any rules against building a box fuselage? I like to keep my gear inside the plane.

One more question, what's the distance from the LE of the wing to the TE of the elevator? come on up we would glad to have you flying with us. It's cut off in the attached plan.
About 13 inches. Including elevator being around 1.125 wide. You can build the plane any way you want. We were hoping for some new designs to show up but this one works so good with the rules we have .I'll post the rules.
Buzzy

Fast and Furious Streamer Combat Rules


Airplane Specs.
Motor- 2408-21
Battery-2cell-7.4 volt
Prop-any size as long as you can fly the 5 minute round
Motor must be mounted on front of airplane
Plane design, wing span, and cord- anything goes
Must be built from fan fold

Rules of Engagement


The CD will give the OK to start combat after last plane has been launched.

Rounds will last 5 minutes.

CD will call stop combat at the end of 5 minutes.

A 20 ft. streamer will be used, with a 6 in. contrasting color for cut purposes.

Any plane that gets its streamer cut, even if it has part of a streamer left, is considered killed and must land.

Any previous cut streamers hanging from a plane when cut will be
considered a kill. The plane must land.

Should any planes have a mid-air, any cuts before the midair will be counted.

You can only get 1 cut per plane. If you hit a plane that has 3 streamers on it and cut 2 of them it’s still counted as 1 cut.

Should a plane make a cut and be forced to land because the streamer was wrapped up in his prop, he shall be marked as completing the round and scored with a kill.

Any pilot flying overhead or behind the pilots’ flying line will be instructed by the CD to land his plane at once, and sit that round out.


If you crash or your streamer comes off on launch, you will have to sit that round out.

If you cut someone’s streamer on launch or before start combat signal is given, the parties involved must land and sit that round out.

If 2 planes cut each others streamers at the same time, each plane will be awarded a kill and must land immediately.

If someone signals they are landing for some reason, you will not be able to cut their streamer for safety reasons.

The CD has the last word on all decisions.

Hard hats will be worn by all pilots on the flight line.

All aircraft will be inspected by CD before flying.
Scoring: 10 points per cut

8-10-08 Revised dlw

[Sailor Jerry]

Thanks for the response. I'm eager to test one of these, but if it's new designs you're after I'm betting it's tough to beat the Killer in streamer combat given it's rather long wingspan (relative to it's overall length). I'd imagine those big wings make an excellent streamer clipping surface.

Do you guys run many weekend events? I'm in Indianapolis, so getting up to Muncie on week night is pretty tough for me.

Also, how are the streamers attached?

[Dr. Sandy Frank]

come in for this

http://web2.airmail.net/sfrank69/NEFI/

they will be doing combat all of the 3 days...

[smokejohnson]

All I need now is a calm day for the maiden :D . AUW came in just under 9 ounces (8.95).

[dlw151947]

Thanks for the response. I'm eager to test one of these, but if it's new designs you're after I'm betting it's tough to beat the Killer in streamer combat given it's rather long wingspan (relative to it's overall length). I'd imagine those big wings make an excellent streamer clipping surface.

Do you guys run many weekend events? I'm in Indianapolis, so getting up to Muncie on week night is pretty tough for me.

Also, how are the streamers attached?

A week from this Friday,Saturday and Sunday, Sandy's having a 3 day Fly In at the AMA.We will have one site for combat only and everyone should have plenty of streamers to chase.

Here's our Saturday's schedule: Combat will be at Hagerstown next to the airport.We start around 10 and fly till 5 or 6 in the afternoon.
July 11th
August the 1st
Sept.the 5th.
Oct. the 3rd.
Buzzy

We just tape the streamers to the bottom of the fuslage. We don't use any leaders just the streamers.

If you go to our site below ,this is how we keep track of when we are flying during the week.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ww2ecombat/

[ArmyFlight]

So I did as the doc ordered and put my motor on a stick. It worked great, and this plane is a true killer! I am going to keep with this style of building as it is economical, and with my schedule I rather spend time building a plane in one day without worries about crashing. I was building full fuse time consuming projects but this is both fun to build and fly. I'm gonna make some changes and try to add my own style to it as well as a couple of other designs on here. I'm now trying to convince all the guys to tape streamers to their planes so I can chase em around!

here is the vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNuMuM4lyPA

[smokejohnson]

Looks like it flies great ArmyFlight, good job.

Edit: Build a loaner plane. That's what helped me get combat going around here.

[Azarr]

FWIW, we've found that with the severe angle of the pushrods from using one aileron servo you get differential in the wrong direction (more down than up) resulting in non axial rolls. It can be eliminated by either using a servo arm with the rod attachment point ahead of the center line of the output gear or by moving the surface horn about 1/8" behind the hinge line. Makes for much better rolls on this plane.

Azarr

[dlw151947]

Some of our guys are extending the ailerons towards the center line of the plane a little more to decrease the angle a little.
Buzzy

[Dr. Sandy Frank]

I do not get out much

and out of boredom have built about 20 each...

we will do some combat at:::

http://web2.airmail.net/sfrank69/NEFI/

see the above files...


it is TONS of "FUN" !!!

[ArmyFlight]

Yeah smoke, I bought enough gear for 4 planes so I will put together a "loaner". Azarr, I will take note of that for my next plane. I built this one quick and dirty so I don't even know if the control horns are the same length! But, it is super fun to roll in on someone from above....kinda top gun. I'm glad hobby city just got in the turnigy batteries, all my lipos are 1500mah 3s or bigger....need some 1300mah 2s and smaller. I only have one 1600mah 2s.

[dlw151947]

Nice vid Army Flight.This is what I like about this plane you can mod it to your own likeings.They are quick and dirty to build and once you get the cg right you can cut out a stack of them in one afternoon.They also make a good sport flyer because it takes away the pucker factor when you get a little crazy trying some new moves you wouldn't think of with other planes.They just seem to hang on the wing tip in a tight turn and don't seem to want to drop off.
Buzzy

[smokejohnson]

Nothing but good news on the flight reports, video at 11:00 ;) . For real my buddy did get some video today I will provide a link when he post them.

I think I will have to increase the size of the ailerons on my next one, they're just not fast enough for me. I did notice what Azarr is talking about with the roll differential. Hmmm...a longer servo arm would give me less angle on the rods and more throw. (scurries off to the shop to experiment) :D

[Dr. Sandy Frank]

Nothing but good news on the flight reports, video at 11:00 ;) . For real my buddy did get some video today I will provide a link when he post them.

I think I will have to increase the size of the ailerons on my next one, they're just not fast enough for me. I did notice what Azarr is talking about with the roll differential. Hmmm...a longer servo arm would give me less angle on the rods and more throw. (scurries off to the shop to experiment) :D


I like 1/2 inch of throw..

but 70% expo for us old guys....

will have several at NEFI next weekend...

also may have several FOAM Joe Wagoner DAKATOS

see attached photos...

[smokejohnson]

Nice lookin bipe, I like that. Do you fly combat with that?

[Dr. Sandy Frank]

Nice lookin bipe, I like that. Do you fly combat with that?


My version of a Wagoner DAKOTA FF model

will finish it up soon

may test fly it this pm wind permitting...

no combat as of yet

am doing it rudder and elavator

yaw and pitch no roll control...as of yet...

that may change...???

[smokejohnson]

Here's the video.

Toward the end I am frisbee launching it and you can see me catch it at 7:20. Enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV2Gs5eq28Y&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftheunclubflyers%2Ening%2Ecom%2Fv ideo%2Ffast%2Dfurious&feature=player_embedded

[Dr. Sandy Frank]

"COOL"


now some combat with tails...

[smokejohnson]

"COOL"


now some combat with tails...


You bet :D , next combat meet is next weekend. I will try to get somebody to video it while I slice and dice some streamers :D .

[ArmyFlight]

too bad im stuck down here. a newbie at the field was super excited to see the plane and here about combat flying....he tried to put streamers on his super cub but it would only fly with 8'!!

[dlw151947]

2009 Hagerstown R/C Club Combat Contests

July
Sat.11th at Hagerstown
Monday the 20th at Dunkirk in the morning
Thurs.23rd at the Dunkirk in the afternoon (Buzzy can’t make it)

August
Sat. 1st at Hagerstown
Monday the 10th at Dunkirk in the morning
Thurs.20th at Dunkirk in the afternoon

September
Sat.5th at Hagerstown
Thurs.17th at the AMA in the afternoon

October
Sat.3rd at Hagerstown
Monday the 14th at the AMA in the morning
Thurs.15th at the AMA in the afternoon

November
Sat.7th at Hagerstown
Thurs.19th at the AMA

All contests will start at 10:00 or whenever 3 flyers show up to fly. We will be using the same rules we have been using in the past. I would like to get 10 to 12 rounds at each contest. If we can’t fly at the AMA, it will be posted on our web site where we will fly. Only spectrum radios can fly at the contests at the AMA. At Hagerstown you can use any Freq.

Buzzy
.

[CoastalTom]

Here's a link to some pics I made of the Muncie combat fliers over the past couple of days here at AMA. Thanks for letting me give it a try! :)

http://gulfcoastaerials.com//E-Combat/index.html

[dlw151947]

Well guys we had a ball today flying some combat shorties even though it was hot but not as hot as yesterday. We flew a total of 12 rounds today with Electric Doug being "ACE FOR THE DAY." We had 11 flyers trying to beat the heat just to cut some streamers and do alot of smack talking on the flight line while flying.LOL.
The scores are as follows:
Electric Doug-120 points
Buzzy-90 points
Deadmeat-40 points
Andy-30 points
Lucky-30 points
Widowmaker-30 points
Paul-20 points
Skyhawk-10 points,Dale took the video.Thanks
Dave-10 points
Scrappy-0 points

I'll be off line for a couple of weeks so everyone take care and watch your six.

Buzzy

on utube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRL_bN7VMWE

[dlw151947]

Another short video.
6 27 09 combat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4zsNkrpPOk
Buzzy

[dlw151947]

Here's a link to some pics I made of the Muncie combat fliers over the past couple of days here at AMA. Thanks for letting me give it a try! :)

http://gulfcoastaerials.com//E-Combat/index.html

Thanks Tom for the pictures and glad you got to fly a shortie with us.
Buzzy

[smokejohnson]

Here's a link to some pics I made of the Muncie combat fliers over the past couple of days here at AMA. Thanks for letting me give it a try! :)

http://gulfcoastaerials.com//E-Combat/index.html

Those are some fantastic pics Tom, thanks for sharing :) .

[CoastalTom]

Thanks, it was a tough shoot with a zoom lens. The camera didn't know what to focus on so I just put it in manual and shot at a spot. The pilots graciously flew to the spot! :)

[grimace308]

this is too sweet. what kind of streamers are used, what are the streamers made of?

thanks

[northla]

2408-21 motor

I tried looking this up on Balsa products site and tower hobbies but was a little confused by the system of measuring these outrunner motors....


24mm can dia?
08-?
21-?

plans show 1050kv - rpm per volts

2408-21 tower pro
but now I find rim fire at tower??

thanks ahead of time for the help

johnny v
shreveport la

[eagle777]

I've seen some common sense suggestions for bumping into each other. Has anyone written up a list of rules for contact combat?

[smokejohnson]

this is too sweet. what kind of streamers are used, what are the streamers made of?

thanks

We have been taking the paper streamer used for birthday parties and such and cutting them in half so that it is only about an inch wide for less drag. We use 18' taped to the tail with masking tape.

[smokejohnson]

2408-21 motor

I tried looking this up on Balsa products site and tower hobbies but was a little confused by the system of measuring these outrunner motors....


24mm can dia?
08-?
21-?

plans show 1050kv - rpm per volts

2408-21 tower pro
but now I find rim fire at tower??

thanks ahead of time for the help

johnny v
shreveport la

I'm not exactly sure I follow your question but this is the motor that is being used.

2408-21 (http://www.headsuprc.com/servlet/the-1408/2408-dsh-21-Outrunner-Brushless-Electric/Detail)

[smokejohnson]

I've seen some common sense suggestions for bumping into each other. Has anyone written up a list of rules for contact combat?

LOL it's hard enough for me to cut a streamer, I couldn't imagine just going for the plane itself. Seems like the hits would be few and far between.

[dsrc]

I'm not exactly sure I follow your question but this is the motor that is being used.

2408-21 (http://www.headsuprc.com/servlet/the-1408/2408-dsh-21-Outrunner-Brushless-Electric/Detail)

I'm assuming your running this motor on a 2 cell pack, what prop are you using?

[smokejohnson]

Yep, 2 cell set up (I use 1000mah) with either an APC 9X6 Slofly or an 8X6 Slofly.

[Azarr]

We're running the 2408-21 motor on 3 cells with the APC 8 x 6E, 15A at full throttle.

Azarr

[northla]

thanks, Mr Smoke

my question was about how to compare the 2408-21 that the Muncie guys are using with say, the outrunners Tower hobbies is selling.......

I would also would like to find the motor with the prop saver...
I don't like the gws type prop shafts......
sure can't beat the price that the link was showing.....

thanks for answering my dumb questions....

johnny v
shreveport la

[smokejohnson]

thanks, Mr Smoke

my question was about how to compare the 2408-21 that the Muncie guys are using with say, the outrunners Tower hobbies is selling.......

I would also would like to find the motor with the prop saver...
I don't like the gws type prop shafts......
sure can't beat the price that the link was showing.....

thanks for answering my dumb questions....

johnny v
shreveport la

No problem Johnny, I hope the info I give can help.

When I am comparing motors I like to look at 3 things. The Kv, weight, and max amps. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to the numbers that the manufacturers give for their motors. You do start to see a trend after a while but for the most part I just ignore the numbers that they give for a name.

If you are planning on flying combat I would just buy the cheap Tower Pro motors. If you are worried about mounting the motor or adding a prop saver this may help you.

http://www.wattflyer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31473

[northla]

Mr. Smoke, thanks for the link to the prop saver info.... I was wondering if you guys are making your own or do you have a link to where I might find one.....

While your linking me up, the heads up site for the brushless motors doesn't have a great selection of batteries.... where is everyone getting the cheap 2 cell lipos??


thanks
johnny v
shreveport la

[smokejohnson]

Here is a link to the cheap batteries, these are what I use.
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=7307&Product_Name=Rhino_1050mah_2S_7.4v_20C_Lipoly_Pack

Jeff has the prop saver you need.

http://www.headsuprc.com/servlet/the-1466/Prop-Saver-for-3.0mm/Detail

[nickeast]

Your combat model is the "Blue Funder" It has been around for sometime. The first link below shows the very start and the second link, post #137 has a much more detailed drawing of the plane. You can find out more than you will ever need to know about this great model in these links. There is 41 pages of stuff about mods and various power setups.


http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363570

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363570&page=10 check post #137

[smokejohnson]

Thanks for the links nickeast, the more info the better :) .

[dlw151947]

Your combat model is the "Blue Funder" It has been around for sometime. The first link below shows the very start and the second link, post #137 has a much more detailed drawing of the plane. You can find out more than you will ever need to know about this great model in these links. There is 41 pages of stuff about mods and various power setups.


http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363570

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363570&page=10 check post #137
Our group and a couple other groups have been cloning this plane for the last couple of years. By making mods here and there to suit the combat flying we do. It has been working out for us real well in our combat shorties with the equipment we have left over from the WWII planes..And so much more durable and faster build than the WWII planes we have built in the past.
Buzzy

[northla]

looking through the rules for the F&F combat out of Muncie.....

I don't understand the streamer rule about 6" of contrasting color on the streamer for cut purposes.....

thanks

johnny
shreveport la

[skyhawkdc]

someone might call a cut , maybe only a foot or two and not know who's it was, then you can tell who it was by who does not have the end of the streamer still on, once you have been cut you have to land

[Dr. Sandy Frank]

looking through the rules for the F&F combat out of Muncie.....

I don't understand the streamer rule about 6" of contrasting color on the streamer for cut purposes.....

thanks

johnny
shreveport la


'BON AMI"


the last 6 in of streamer on YOUR model is a different color...

if while in the match if the contrasting color is gone

YOU have been cut...........

if the contrasting end off the tail is still there...

you have NOT been cut...



sandy frank

[dlw151947]

Johnny, we have had several cuts with 2-3 inches removed and it was hard to tell if you got cut or not.This is why we went to the 6 inches of contrasting color of streamer. We may have to start making sure it is 6 inches and not any more because I saw a couple with more than 6 inches on at the last couple of meets.
Buzzy

[northla]

I got it now... I am so used to RCCA rules where you keep going after you loose your streamer....it would make sense to have a way to see if short cuts have happened.....

this style of judging cuts and scoring will probably help save a few airplanes also.....

..... having 2 or 3 streamers hanging on your wing and 2 or 3 guys without streamers chasing you around tends to cause a few accidents... but it sure was fun ( I was a little younger then :) )

thanks
johnny v
shreveport la

[dlw151947]

I got it now... I am so used to RCCA rules where you keep going after you loose your streamer....it would make sense to have a way to see if short cuts have happened.....

this style of judging cuts and scoring will probably help save a few airplanes also.....

..... having 2 or 3 streamers hanging on your wing and 2 or 3 guys without streamers chasing you around tends to cause a few accidents... but it sure was fun ( I was a little younger then :) )

thanks
johnny v
shreveport la
I used to fly with RCCA also. We wanted to make our rules very simple to use and so everyone would understand them and help "police" their selfs also during the rounds.We have been using the same rules for 3 1/2 years now with very little problems.
Buzzy

[dlw151947]

I've seen some common sense suggestions for bumping into each other. Has anyone written up a list of rules for contact combat?Sorry I'm late to getting back to you on your question .

These are our rules we made up for our NO MERCY COMBAT that we use to fly.
Buzzsaw


NO MERCY COMBAT RULES



All rounds are controlled by the CD at all times. He has the last word on anything that might arise.

Any electric motor, plane, and battery will be legal in this event.

No metal of any kind on leading edges of the plane.

No flying over pilots’ flight line. If you do, you will instructed to land by the
CD.

Cones will be set up for landings.

Hard hats must be worn at all times.



Rules


All rounds will be 5 minutes.

CD will start the 5 minute round and will call “End combat” at the end of 5 minutes.

Once CD has called “launch” everyone will launch. If for some reason you can’t launch, you will have to sit that round out.

If you sand bag, you will be told to land by the CD and set the rest of the round out.



Scoring


You will get 1 point for flying a full 5 minute round.

You will get 5 points for a kill. A kill is when you put a plane down on the ground for that round and you can continue to fly that 5 minute round to the finish.

It is possible to get several kills in one round. You will receive 5 points per kill.

You could get 2 kills in a round and get put down at the last minute. In this case you would lose your kills for that round.

dlw-11-19-07

[Jimmy JFlyer]

Hey guys, I have been looking at this one this morning on an FB's recommendation. I don't get enough chances to fly with a group to really concern myself with a good plane for combat but I do however see the great things the F&F seems to be capable of otherwise. 1 thing I am looking for is an all around plane that I could fly at the field regardless of wind. I know there are a lot of designs out there for windy day flying but I am always looking for others.
Aren't we all? ;) And a simple build like this is so hard to resist. :D
How does this guy handle windy flying? Not Hurricane Gale force winds mind you, but a good breeze, or even 15+ mph gusts.

Any advice / opinions will be greatly appreciated.
Thx
Jimmy

[Just ShootMe]

I made a drawing of the Fast and Furious plans and saved them as a PDF for anyone who would like to have a standard plan. Is there anyone in South Eastern Michigan that would like to start a combat club that would meet regularly?

Just ShootMe

[smokejohnson]

Hey guys, I have been looking at this one this morning on an FB's recommendation. I don't get enough chances to fly with a group to really concern myself with a good plane for combat but I do however see the great things the F&F seems to be capable of otherwise. 1 thing I am looking for is an all around plane that I could fly at the field regardless of wind. I know there are a lot of designs out there for windy day flying but I am always looking for others.
Aren't we all? ;) And a simple build like this is so hard to resist. :D
How does this guy handle windy flying? Not Hurricane Gale force winds mind you, but a good breeze, or even 15+ mph gusts.

Any advice / opinions will be greatly appreciated.
Thx
Jimmy

We have flown combat in 15mph gust on several occasions, It's pretty fun once you get the hang of it. There is a lot of mixing it up for ten seconds or so and then everybody getting back to the center of the field to do it again :D .

[smokejohnson]

I made a drawing of the Fast and Furious plans and saved them as a PDF for anyone who would like to have a standard plan. Is there anyone in South Eastern Michigan that would like to start a combat club that would meet regularly?

Just ShootMe

Nice plans shootme, thanks for sharing.

[Dr. Sandy Frank]

Nice plans shootme, thanks for sharing.

I flew 2 of them with these yesterdaY AT ama/iac

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_listCategoriesAndProducts.asp?catname=2%2E4Ghz+ HobbyKing&idCategory=295&ParentCat=190


THEY DID JUST FINE

[smokejohnson]

I've got to get one of those. I have had a loaner plane on channel 18 for the longest and as luck would have it a buddy decided to put a loaner together and he bought a radio on the same channel :rolleyes: . 2.4 is the only way to go for combat.

[Dr. Sandy Frank]

I've got to get one of those. I have had a loaner plane on channel 18 for the longest and as luck would have it a buddy decided to put a loaner together and he bought a radio on the same channel :rolleyes: . 2.4 is the only way to go for combat.

yes I did a hobbyking JR module system and it works like a $ 1,000 JR radio

[SKYPILEIT]

I made a drawing of the Fast and Furious plans and saved them as a PDF for anyone who would like to have a standard plan. Is there anyone in South Eastern Michigan that would like to start a combat club that would meet regularly?

Just ShootMe


We fly these F&Fs at our club in Salem Township,Mi.We could try few informal combat events before the season is over,how about this sat.(9-12-09) at the Midwest RC club.?Here's a few pics from last week...we had a blast. :)

[Just ShootMe]

SKYPILEIT



I’d love to come out, thanks for the invitation. It was your blog that got me going on these Fast and Furious Planes, and got me to make the plans. I still have to make a combat plane before Saturday though. Is the Midwest RC Club field the one on 7mile rd. now?



Just ShootMe

[SKYPILEIT]

Yes..I'll make sure I get the address to you by Friday,I might even be out there tomorrow for a few hours,It's a few miles west of Curry Road,There is a Midwest R/C Club sign out front,you must drive a few hundred yards (north)on the access road to get to our field.We'll be out there Sat morn by 10am or so..

[dsrc]

A modification a few of us have made was to use the two pieces for the fuselage separated about 1 5/8. Then place the battery, esc and receiver between the foam fuselage.

Seems to offer better protection for the electronics and a little more to grab on to for the hand launch.

After a major collision, I decided to add some more foam in front of the battery to make a crumple zone for the battery.

[northla]

Mr. DSRC,

what type of foam is that in your double fuse picture?

thanks
johnny v
shreveport la

[dsrc]

Its white fan fold that Dan use to sell at www.foamfly.com. It was made by the same company that made the blue. Unfortunately its not available any more.

Dave

[SKYPILEIT]

Yes..I'll make sure I get the address to you by Friday,I might even be out there tomorrow for a few hours,It's a few miles west of Curry Road,There is a Midwest R/C Club sign out front,you must drive a few hundred yards (north)on the access road to get to our field.We'll be out there Sat morn by 10am or so..


7419 W. 7Mile Road.

Salem Township,Mi.

[dlw151947]

Sept.17,combat up date

We got 10 rounds of combat in today at the AMA with a 3 way tie for "ACE FOR THE DAY." Mike and Ike got a round of airwars in with no damage to either plane.I got in 2 45 minute flights with my glider also. It was nice to get back flying on site #4 again.The scores are as follows:
Ike-40 points
Doug-40 points
Danny-40 points
Willis-30 points
Mike- 20 points

Danny

[eagle777]

Well I have Depron, spruce, hot glue, GWS props, $4 servos, $15 RXs, and Tower Pro motors.

The question is, will the Hobbyzone guy feel ok when I take out his plane :cool:
[That is of course if he is participating in the event :rolleyes: ]

Nobody wins in full contact of course. Everyone should stay home and watch TV. It's the only way to be sure.

Dave


Sorry I'm late to getting back to you on your question .

These are our rules we made up for our NO MERCY COMBAT that we use to fly.
Buzzsaw

NO MERCY COMBAT RULES

dlw-11-19-07

[smokejohnson]

Depron is too brittle for combat, you should try blue core FFF.

[Dr. Sandy Frank]

Depron is too brittle for combat, you should try blue core FFF.

Agreed !!!

[eagle777]

I glass the depron with 0.5oz fiberglass & Poly-C, it makes it much more durable.

[Dr. Sandy Frank]

I glass the depron with 0.5oz fiberglass & Poly-C, it makes it much more durable.

different strokes for different folks!!!

be well & happy...

[eagle777]

Depron is too brittle for combat, you should try blue core FFF.

I ran out, so will buy another batch if a local person here will buy half of the 50'

[smokejohnson]

A new guy that is flying with us makes and installs granite counter tops. They use the FFF to make templates for the counter top. Once the piece is made they just through it away along with any scraps left over.

I don't think we will ever run out of free foam now :D .

[heavyj]

i got a pretty cool picture of mine in flight the other day...

[smokejohnson]

Those are some really cool pics heavyj, thanks for sharing.

[smokejohnson]

There needs to be an official E-Combat class with standardized rules for an official AMA sanctioned event.

[heavyj]

gosh i hope not. we have an event coming up this weekend. We have a slow stick class (slow stick defined at a GWS Slow Stick at original length with no ailerons) - then an unlimited class any configuration (electric of course). In both there are streamers and some CD with a ruler - something about the longest streamer wins or something...

But

My slow stick is powered with a 400 watt motor. I'm flying for foam baby. I've seen some of the rules some others have developed - all stiff and not much fun..

I'm looking forward to spectacular foam chunks for sure...

*grin*

-jj

[smokejohnson]

LOL that is basically how we have been doing it around here..."flung what ya brung" and "fly at your own risk" :D ! It is a lot of fun but I also think it would be fun to keep score.

[northla]

I've been working with Tim S ( daughter's boyfriend) with a slowed down version of the f+f for training. He is doing great, flying off the buddy box for the first time today..... went through 3 packs solo.... tied a steamer on to "let him see how a streamer affects the flight characteristics"..... I could only stand it for 2 minutes... tied a streamer on mine and sent it off...... he almost made the rest of the pack before he locked on the streamer and not on the ground portion of combat and did a dirt nap..... cracked the wing in two places and busted the fuse up some.... some hot glue tomorrow and some bi-directional tape and it will fly again....

Got him a parkflyer AMA membership yesterday for a early Christmas present so he could solo today.....( Muncie F+F outline rules on motor / 2 cell/w/ 9x4.7 prop looks to be way,way under the 60 mph limit on parkflyers).

As far as the comment to become an official AMA rule book event, just follow some basic combat rules set forth by the AMA and have fun...keep score ,do it all but to become an official rules book event takes lots and lots of work and about 4 to 6 years if the process hasn't changed since I worked on the open rules for RCCA....


see ya
johnny v

[dlw151947]

First I want to thank Mrs.Lewis for the sloppy joes she fixed for us all to
eat.And also Carl for cooking the dogs for us. It was windy most of the day at
the Hagertown flying field with a large group of people showing up to fly or
watch some combat. We got in 10 rounds of combat with Dennis knocking Willis and Ike out of the air in one of the rounds.Willis :mad: and Dennis :mad: was also grounded for flying behind the pilots line in a couple different rounds because of the winds we had.I lost a plane the second round due to P.E :censored: .Overall we had a very nice day of flying with a good bunch of friends.I also passed out a couple of our plans to some friends of IKE.Maybe a couple of new combat flyers in the future.Good to see Doug again also.Ike also got 2 battery packs run thru his heli.
The scores are as follows:

Ike-60 points
Danny-60 points
Willis-40 points
Dennis-30 points
Nathan-10 points

Monday the 5th at the AMA site #4 in the morning
Thursday the 15th at the AMA in the afternoon

November
Saturday the 7th at Hagerstown
Thursday the 19th at the AMA in the afternoon

This is all we have scheduled for this year
Danny

[dlw151947]

Monday October 5th Combat Update

Pat and I got quite a bit of sailplane stick time with the blue bird skies and
no wind to deal with most of the morning.Dale put up his boom and I put up my heli a couple of times also.It was good to see Pappy again and we made him the score keeper for the day.We got 6 rounds of combat in with no wind to contend with today.
The scores are as follows:
Dale-60 points
Danny-60 points
Mike 10 points
Pat-0 points
Until next time watch your six.

Danny

[smokejohnson]

Here's a pic of my latest one. The one with flames will be retired after the next mid-air.

[orvl_147]

I will see you all at the next event. working on my plane now I have willis's plane here now coping it. and just to let you kmow I am undefeated tks to dennis :) ORVILLE

[dlw151947]

We got 13 rounds in today with 9 Fighter Jocks trying to be the "ACE FOR THE
DAY".With several midairs and Ike using up most of glue sticks we had on hand,it turned out to be a really nice day for combat even with the little breeze we had. We had plenty of food on hand to re- juice ourselves between rounds,thanks to Carl and Willis.The scores are as follows:
Steve-50 points
Danny-50 points-Flew all 13 rounds with same prop.
Nathan-50 points
Dennis-40 points
Ike-40 points
Buzzy-40 points
Ethan-30 points
Orville-20 points-Flew all 13 rounds with 1 plane.
Willis-20 points
For now watch your six.
Buzzy

[robtest]

Looks like a fun little plane. We were discussing making some foam planes for some combat. I will have to give this one a try!

[dlw151947]

Looks like a fun little plane. We were discussing making some foam planes for some combat. I will have to give this one a try!
I hope you do give it a try,it will be a fast build and cheap combat plane to fly.
Buzzy

[dz1sfb]

I know the season is probably done here in Michigan, but I like this and have been interested in some kind of standard airframe. There is always next spring.

Also would like to do a CAD version of Sandy Frank's plans, which are quite suitable as is.

Ken :)

[smokejohnson]

The F&F is a blast to fly, build one you will love it.

Post #65 has a nice PDF set of plans.