New Hangar 9 20cc Taylorcraft ARF

[BARNESJONR]

Here is another tasty offering coming this summer from the folks at Horizon . 20cc gas or Power 110 electric, your choice. Designed by Jim Moss

Taylorcraft 20cc ARF

Specs

Wingspan:80.5 inches (2045mm)
Overall Length:63.5 inches (1615mm)
Wing Area:1152 sq inches (74.5 sq dm)
Flying Weight:14 - 15.5 lbs (6.4 - 7.1 kg)
Engine Size:1.00 - 1.60 2 stroke, 1.20 - 1.80 4-stroke, 20 - 26cc gas
Motor Size:EFlite Power 110
Radio:4-6 channel
Servos:5 hi-torque, one standard
Trim Scheme Colors:White (HANU870), Black (HANU874), True Red (HANU866), 2 Inch Red/White Checkers (HANU944)
CG (center of gravity):3-1/4 inch (83mm) to 4 inches (102mm) from the leading edge at the wing root
Wing Loading:28 - 31 oz/sq. ft.
Prop Size:16 - 18"
Spinner Size:2-1/4 inch (not included)
Hardware Included:Yes, hinges and control horns installed
Speed Control :Phoenix HV-85 ESC (CSEPHX85HV)
Recommended Battery:2 - Thunder Power 4S 5000mAh Li-Po Battery Packs (THP50004SX)
Flaps:No
Retracts:No
Minimum Age Recommendation:14 years
Experience Level:Intermediate
Recommended Environment:Outdoor
Assembly Time:20+Hours
Is Assembly Required:Yes

[800mZero]

very nice! On 10s this may make a good tow plane option as well.

[BARNESJONR]

BTW, that handsome looking chap sitting in the cockpit is included! :D

[cooper998]

Nice Clipped wing T-Craft, may just have to lift my ban on Horizon Hobbies over priced arf's for this one.

Any pricing yet?never mind, just looked it up HERE (http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HAN4900)

cooper998

[DiabloKid]

I have the old 84" version with a G26EI up front and it is a joy to fly. Very easy handling and gorgeous in the air.

This one looks even better with the updated lines and features

[staggerwing]

Have the 85" version also--elec powered. Yes, there are some nice detail features on this new version --I especially like the gear fairings.
It's tough to beat the lasting nostalgia of a Cub but for me the H9 T Craft is a close 2nd & flying offers much better aerobatics.
I can guess this will be near the $500 range.

[JEanes]

Funny thing.. :) ..I emailed Horizon just 2 weeks ago about bringing this plane back. I was told they had "no information on any new products coming out anytime soon". I have the first version using a converted Homelite 30cc on C-H Ignition. GREAT flyer. :) I think I remember paying $349.99 for mine, dealer prices were around $399.99 best I recall. I bet mine has less than 20 flights on it and still looks like new. I would buy this one just beacause it looks so good....BUT FOR $549.95......yep....file this one away with the overpriced Horizon ARF's :mad: My Horizon ban is still in effect.

[Dora Nine]

My wallet is now begging for mercy...

[gp125racer]

Oh man thats a beauty! I love how they are offering kits as glow or e-power nowadays, good stuff :)

Don

[wyo69cowboy]

Wow, that's a good lookin' plane! Wow, that's really expensive! I think the RC Guys 98" Decathlon for $399 sounds like a pretty good deal in comparison...

[AirplaneMan04]

DiabloKid, does your G26 stick out of the cowl?
If i got this new Taylorcraft i want a gas engine in it
that will not stick out to preserve the scale look.
Thanks!

[JEanes]

Here is a pic of the earlier T'Craft with a 30cc Homelite under the hood.

[Ercoupe Ed]

Nice looking T-Craft !
I still have the older 84 inch version still NIB and came across a Lanier T-Craft kit still NIB at an LHS that was a swap for another airplane.
Anyone have any information on what a Lanier T-Craft kit is quality wise?
Also have a scratch built 80 inch T-Craft from RC plans that is bout 50% complete.

[JEanes]

Ed you are the man...post us some pic if you will.....love those T'Crafts ! :)

[AmpAce]

I don't like to throw cold water on all of the enthusiasm about this beautiful airplane, but I do wish that they could learn to build them a bit lighter. The wing loading of around 30 ounces per square foot is just too much to expect very scale-like flight from this bird. I have a Super Cub of a similar size, and it weighs about half what this T'Craft does, and it is still almost too fast to appear very scale in flight.

If a person wants a plane that flies like a fighter, then they should buy P-51 or Sabre Jet.

AmpAce

[BrentP]

Ok nice plane but I agree on the weight thing as my H9 80" E cub is 8lbs.

Still like to see more warbirds (WW1 please) unless it's yet another P51.

Thats only one warbird in the last 6 planes :(

Again nice Taylorcraft, but I'll keep waiting on WW1.

[angrycookieman]

I have been waiting for them to release another Taylorcraft, kept telling myself that would be my next plane. However, I can't see paying 550 bucks for an 80 inch version. It does look nice, but seems to be too heavy and way overpriced. I think for about 350 it would be nice, I would get it, and for 400 I would still consider it, but that's about all I can see paying for that.

[k4dan]

I like it! At a 1/4 scale plane price&weight seem about right to me.But then what do I know. Not a whole lot I gess. But then I got a soft spot for the T-Craft. Dan

[CyberJay]

Hmmm... I have the Eflite T-craft, I like the appearance and I like the way it flies. I can slow it down and look scale or I can romp on it and do most aerobatics with it.

I've been working up to my first giant scale plane. I have had my eye on the Pacific Aeromodels Clipped Wing Monocoupe 110 Special, but I think I would prefer this Taylorcraft.

My main concern is how well it will fly. I heard from a club member that the old 1/4 scale hangar 9 T-craft flew very heavy and could not do the aerobatic flight the way the little eflite plane can. This club member flies 3D planes and I personally don't care for 3D planes, so I can't completely rely on his opinions.

In this (http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12201030&postcount=2417) post Dave says the new 80" Tcraft is "significantly" lighter than the old 85" Tcraft. I did some searching and according to the old manual the old plane was "13-15lbs" and the new plane is "14-15.5lbs" with less wing.

I'm anxious for someone to get one of these and report how it flies.

-Jay

[dag214]

I don't like to throw cold water on all of the enthusiasm about this beautiful airplane, but I do wish that they could learn to build them a bit lighter. The wing loading of around 30 ounces per square foot is just too much to expect very scale-like flight from this bird. I have a Super Cub of a similar size, and it weighs about half what this T'Craft does, and it is still almost too fast to appear very scale in flight.

If a person wants a plane that flies like a fighter, then they should buy P-51 or Sabre Jet.

AmpAce
LOL, that is just what I was thinking.

DAG

[CyberJay]

Hey just noticed the video posted on Horizon's site... looks nice I guess. Personally I would have liked to see some more acrobatics, just to see what it's capable of.. But I know the scale guys will shy away from a plane that looks like it does un-scale aerobatics so whatever.

I like the color scheme better after watching it fly.

-Jay

[Sir Barf]

Hi
Has anyone tried this plane ?
Are

[Pheasant]

For some reason different planes have strong threads different places, there's a pretty good thread on it on RCU, one guy starting or considering an electric setup.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_9041541/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm

[staggerwing]

Hi
Has anyone tried this plane ?
Are


Shouldn't be any diff in the air than the 1st iteration & I can vouch it is a sweetheart to fly & I don't notice any of the $175 or so additional esthetics @ that distance. The only neg aspects of the 1st iteration is the weak aluminum gear & single pc wing--(what were they thinking :rolleyes: )

BTW, seems we already have a thread started on this model just down a few threads in this forum but guess this was ahead of it---just dormant for awhile.

[cooper998]

Nice looking T-Craft !
I still have the older 84 inch version still NIB and came across a Lanier T-Craft kit still NIB at an LHS that was a swap for another airplane.
Anyone have any information on what a Lanier T-Craft kit is quality wise?
Also have a scratch built 80 inch T-Craft from RC plans that is bout 50% complete.

Ed,
The Lanier is an EXCELLENT model, I have one 3/4 framed and it is both an easy build(at least for me) and excellent quality. I bought mine way back when Tower was selling them for $329 and the following week they bought out Lanier and closed out all their stock, the T-Craft was selling for $149!
Sure do wish they would kit it again since I modified mine for aerotowing and would like to build a second and scale it out with interior additions.

Cooper998

[earlwb]

When i looked through the instruction manual, there wasn't anything on using electric power with it. Do they have a hatch on the bottom or something for changing out the battery packs? or do you just have to get creative and imaginative on how to set it up for electric motors?

[Pheasant]

No bottom hatch. You would have to go through the cabin door, which opens almost 180 degrees.

When i looked through the instruction manual, there wasn't anything on using electric power with it. Do they have a hatch on the bottom or something for changing out the battery packs? or do you just have to get creative and imaginative on how to set it up for electric motors?

[staggerwing]

No bottom hatch. You would have to go through the cabin door, which opens almost 180 degrees.
or
Or go thru the firewall as I did--see my blog---still lots of firewall integrity left to chg back to fuel if needed. This has worked very well for me w/ two giant scale birds & same will be done soon on a 80" Spit

[earlwb]

Not bad at all, i sort of like the idea of the magnets on the cowl to let you pull it off quickly. At first I though Ewww, remove the prop each time. But when i thought about it a while, it really isn't a big deal to unscrew the prop to change out the battery packs.
Thanks

[fishfingers]

If you take a good look at the structure of the Taylorcraft it's really difficult to see how it could be made any lighter, especially for production. H9 added some stuff that added some weight like the simulated shock struts, full tail bracing etc.

I guess the price is all relative to expectations. I think 550 is a steal for what you get. I couldn't build it myself or pay somebody to do it for twice that.

I have been waiting for them to release another Taylorcraft, kept telling myself that would be my next plane. However, I can't see paying 550 bucks for an 80 inch version. It does look nice, but seems to be too heavy and way overpriced. I think for about 350 it would be nice, I would get it, and for 400 I would still consider it, but that's about all I can see paying for that.

[fishfingers]

I don't think you guys get it. The full scale Cub and Clipped Wing Taylorcraft are not the same span, so comparing the weights and flying characteristics based on the span of the model has little basis. The H9 Cub is less than 1/5 scale, the Taylorcraft almost 1/4. Quite naturally the wing loadings and finished weights are going to be different.



Ok nice plane but I agree on the weight thing as my H9 80" E cub is 8lbs.

Still like to see more warbirds (WW1 please) unless it's yet another P51.

Thats only one warbird in the last 6 planes :(

Again nice Taylorcraft, but I'll keep waiting on WW1.

[CyberJay]

1/4 scale Pacific Aero Model clipped wing Monocoupe 110 special only has a 69" wingspan.. and is in the same weight range. AND, by all accounts is a nice flyer and predictable plane.

Eventually I'll be able to get this big T-craft.. Maybe next summer. Too many irons in the fire.

-Jay

[lt40 Flier]

I decided to bite the bullet and have the Taylorcraft Fuse together waiting on the electric motor. No glue needed to this point. The quality has been great. I am thinking about using Staggerwing's magnet held cowl. Let ya know more later

[ErcoupeEd]

Ed,
The Lanier is an EXCELLENT model, I have one 3/4 framed and it is both an easy build(at least for me) and excellent quality. I bought mine way back when Tower was selling them for $329 and the following week they bought out Lanier and closed out all their stock, the T-Craft was selling for $149!
Sure do wish they would kit it again since I modified mine for aerotowing and would like to build a second and scale it out with interior additions.

Cooper998

Thanks Cooper!
I know where there is a Lanier Taylorcraft full kit for sale for $249.00
I might be able to get it for a little less.

Ed

[simon737]

I'm really loving the look of this plane, I had the e-flite taylorcraft 450 and enjoyed that but was just a little on the small side, this however looks fantastic. Cannot decide though whether to go with the Power 110 setup or get hold of the new DLE30cc and try that...

[lt40 Flier]

I'm really loving the look of this plane, I had the e-flite taylorcraft 450 and enjoyed that but was just a little on the small side, this however looks fantastic. Cannot decide though whether to go with the Power 110 setup or get hold of the new DLE30cc and try that...


5000 mah 20 c batteries are down to $49 at HobbyKing? Does that help you to decide????????????

[simon737]

Not really :p , all my planes are electric but for some reason just the look of this airframe makes me think twice and makes me want to mount a nice gas engine to it....but like you say packs are cheap and electric imo is easier/cleaner etc....ah decisions decisions.

[ErcoupeEd]

simon,
A gas engine sounds more real!
I have the earlier version of the H9 Taylorcraft, the 85 inch wing, and I'm going to put a Bennett built G26 in it with a smoke tank.
I just got it out of the box today and finally started working on it., about 6 years after I bought it.
Besides, unless you have extra batteries, it's a lot easier to just fill the tank and go again!

[Mark Wolf]

simon,
A gas engine sounds more real!



That's a matter of opinion. With the exception of a few very high $$ multicylinder engines (big Moki radials, for example), I've yet to hear a gas or glow powered model that sounds realistic. Real planes may not sound like electric models, but they don't sound like weedeaters or chainsaws either. ;)

A lot of the sound generated by full scale aircraft is the prop, not the engine. At least with a big electric you can actually hear that sound.

[lt40 Flier]

I have both gas and glow. I''m finishing a Monocoupe with a G26. The detail of this plane just made me want to install the cowl as it comes from the box.

One nice thing is if I don't like it they still sell G26's

[ErcoupeEd]

I have both gas and glow. I''m finishing a Monocoupe with a G26. The detail of this plane just made me want to install the cowl as it comes from the box.

One nice thing is if I don't like it they still sell G26's

lt40Flier

What kind of Monocoupe are you finishing up?
I am working on several airplanes right now, an H9 original Clipped Wing T-Craft
the old style with the 85 inch wing,but have an IkonNwst 1/4 scale 96 inch span Monocoupe kit still on the shelf, and it's big brother, a 1/4 csale Mister Mulligan.
Probably eventually hang a G26 on all of them.
I buy my engines from B&B Specialties because the first two engines I bought from them, a G62 and a G 26 both run excellent!
Plus they are not far from me, and I can drive over there and get them worked on.

[lt40 Flier]

The Monocoupe is a Kange 90---The red one. I am also working on a 72" Weeks Solution Biplane. It will get a D&B 3.7 twin cylinder.

Looks like the Taylorcraft will finish first. I had to fab 3.188" stand-offs for the motor today. Motor and speed control are in----------waiting on batteries.

[CyberJay]

The Monocoupe is a Kange 90---The red one. I am also working on a 72" Weeks Solution Biplane. It will get a D&B 3.7 twin cylinder.

Looks like the Taylorcraft will finish first. I had to fab 3.188" stand-offs for the motor today. Motor and speed control are in----------waiting on batteries.


Dunno if you've found it, but I've got that Monocoupe.. Electric.. it's great. You need to reinforce the landing gear though, it's real bouncy stock. I think next spring I'm going to get this new Taylorcraft and pull all the gear out of the Monocoupe to build it. Then replace the stuff in the Monocoupe as I can afford it.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1083879

-Jay

[lt40 Flier]

I maidened the Taylorcraft today. The cg was at 4.0 with no weight. The factory area provided for batteries worked out to put one 5000 mah 5s on each side of the gas tank location. The power 110 set up definately had enough power. I bounced the first landing and had to hit the get out of Dodge button. The guys at the field were impressed with the power. Greased the second landing but this bird needs a couple clicks of power at landing.