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Gary Mortimer

Apr 21, 2009, 09:08 AM

zlite

Apr 21, 2009, 09:19 AM

Anybody got any books to throw at this fellow, have a look around the web.

Yahoo UK is running it as a lead story this lunchtime (Tuesday 21st)

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/804351/toy-plane-passenger-jet-in-near-miss

Not strictly UAV or MAV but you know where I'm coming from.

Flycam 2 on the nose.

He/she is a criminal who should be prosecuted, just like a drunk driver or a Madoff accountant. It's not the car or the spreadsheet, it's the way it was used. There are already laws in place to penalize this kind of action; hopefully they will just enforce the laws they've already got, rather than take this opportunity to pass new ones.

Gary Mortimer

Apr 21, 2009, 09:55 AM

Well yes exactly and well put Chris.

mecevans

Apr 21, 2009, 10:01 AM

wow

AMA and all major modeling organization needs to condemn this guy. definitely a little jail time.

Airboatflyingshp

Apr 21, 2009, 12:17 PM

yeah well you've also got to get the little squits who try using laser pens to dazzel police helicopters weekly ....this plank just made it easier to enter him for the Darwin awards... if someone finds him and objects strongly enough!??

fly_boy99

Apr 21, 2009, 12:45 PM

Dang, not good not good at all....

Unfortunately with more folks coming into the hobby this might happen more often then we like. Not everyone will want to act in an ethical way...

spitfiremk9

Apr 21, 2009, 01:54 PM

Dang, not good not good at all....

Unfortunately with more folks coming into the hobby this might happen more often then we like. Not everyone will want to act in an ethical way...

Speak for yourself fly, FPV holds no place in " the hobby " for me, my findings are that the majority of Fpv'ers are adrenaline junkys, crackpots etc, the only reason that Fpv is allowed for the moment is because Fpv'ers will soon give the Government the excuse they need.,

Tuner

Apr 21, 2009, 02:58 PM

While I dont dissagree with Spitfire's sentiment. His words sound like somone condeming the internet in 1989....

Im just saying I think to your dismay when the FPV flying gets cheap enough it will spread like wildfire!!! Because lets face it. Its cheaper than flying a real plane and just as easy! Ever seen a pilot fly his first RC airplanes... its always fun.

My 2cents
Scott

P.S. this guy should be in jail!!!

fly_boy99

Apr 21, 2009, 04:30 PM

Funny I also heard this sentiment back 30 years ago when gassers used to fly in salt flats around here.

I still think people know the right thing to do, they just don't always do it.

I fly at a site where when the wind changes we have major commercial flyovers (roughly 1000-1500ft) and I haven't seen anyone from my flying site try to go after a plane like this guy did.

Speak for yourself fly, FPV holds no place in " the hobby " for me, my findings are that the majority of Fpv'ers are adrenaline junkys, crackpots etc, the only reason that Fpv is allowed for the moment is because Fpv'ers will soon give the Government the excuse they need.,

spitfiremk9

Apr 21, 2009, 07:05 PM

Wel I hope you guys have me corrected, but every Fpv video I open on youtube etc, these headers are doing wild stunts, with that heavy thrashy music playing, I dunno it just seems so out of control, like, not if but when.

jtprouty

Apr 21, 2009, 09:19 PM

I've seen this kind of thing before - an FPV flying and a Robinson full scale helicopter flew under it. It's bad enough that it happens but then people show it off and we all end up paying the price in the end. It's one of the major reasons that the FAA wants to regulate us here in the US.

Jimmy

Mick Molloy

Apr 21, 2009, 09:57 PM

Not really FPV just recorded on board, and yes he has been charged.

Airboatflyingshp

Apr 22, 2009, 08:13 AM

Mick Id like to be in that Oz court room come summing up ;) .......... a few choice words might be forthcoming from the bench. :D :cool:

Gary Mortimer

Apr 22, 2009, 08:25 AM

Yes I bet there will be a lot of Australian plain speaking.

Now the not illogical link that the Times made this morning........... (its at the bottom)

Mr Gibson said CASA safety standards do apply the operation of model aircraft, however most people who operate remote-controlled planes usually do so as members of clubs and abide by the proper regulations.

“Individuals may not do so,” he said. “But it’s just common sense that you don’t fly any little plane close to a big one. It (a model plane) is a small hunk of metal which, if it hits a large aircraft in the right way could cause some damage.”

If convicted of breaching CASA safety guidelines, whoever flew the model plane could face up to two years in prison, or fines of over £1300.

Virgin Blue – a low-cost Australian airline founded by British entrepreneur Richard Branson – said they were also investigating the incident, however nobody on board the passenger jet, including the pilot, saw the remote-controlled plane.

In January an American airline Airbus made a crash landing into New York’s Hudson River after it was hit by a flock of Canada geese.

Miraculously all 155 people on board survived.

I know this sort of thing will have happened many times before but I bet the papers are all over the forums looking for similar footage for expose articles.

Peter Seddon

Apr 22, 2009, 03:03 PM

It is SIR Richard Branson ;) !!

Peter

Munin

Apr 22, 2009, 07:08 PM

Hello folks.

Gary's post just reminded me of this fellow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHvlrKBAwrU

/Munin

smh20502

Apr 22, 2009, 07:55 PM

Dumb Sh*^. It's people like this that cause problems for the rest of us. The other side of the coin... I talked to a few commercial pilots I know about this. The good ones don't care because they know that those small UAV's can't cause any signifigant problems. Maybe some dinged up aluminum but that's about all. Others are the "this is my space" regardless.

Gary Mortimer

Apr 23, 2009, 04:19 AM

I think that aerobird guys building the drama a little quite a distance between him and the 737.

But exactly the sort of thing aviation authorities would be interested to see.

Also he did say he was trying to avoid the 737, rather than head towards it to film it!

Ask you commercial pilot friends what they would think if the foam went through the engine smh20502! I bet the ones that have no problem with it have never had a birdstrike.

Thanks for adding Munin, the Faroe Islands! Wow bet theres a big club set up there ;-)

Munin

Apr 23, 2009, 03:08 PM

Gary,

We have 400 meter cliffs drops here; edge to sea.
Lots of up drift and swarms of birds.
I live at a place where the world ends.
Bird collision are rare and a challenge as the birds tend to be over enthusiastically curious about their rather weird looking lipo relative.

Gannets are majestic gliders.
Puffins are fat over sized honey bees.

Enjoy.

/Munin

Gary Mortimer

Apr 23, 2009, 03:11 PM

It must be a wonderful place to be in summer and pretty harsh in winter.

Would love to visit one day.

I'm off to look for flights!

sim559

Apr 26, 2009, 02:01 AM

will there are also pilots that brake the rules too. Just last month some guy in a plane that looked like a glider with a motor flew by at less than 400 feet doing about 130 knots. made very little noise. It was gone in a flash. I later found out he was even lower when he flew over our flying field which was used as an airport at one time. it is now impossible to land on it as there is a fence in the way. No one was flying at the time. lucky for him as he came in so fast, quite and low, we would have not seen him tell it was too late.
If yo fly FPV you need a spotter just like a pilot does when he is learning insterments flying.

Gary Mortimer

Jun 06, 2009, 06:55 PM

The chap got a fine.

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=143187

RolandS888

Jun 07, 2009, 07:14 AM

The chap got a fine.

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=143187

Oh well, a couple of thousand dollars out of his pocket might make him think twice next time.

On a completely different note, does anyone know what model of plane is on Munin's avatar above?
I PMed him but got no reply, somebody must know.
I really like it and want to know what it is.
Cheers,
R.

Soulglow

Jun 07, 2009, 02:07 PM

On a completely different note, does anyone know what model of plane is on Munin's avatar above?
I PMed him but got no reply, somebody must know.
I really like it and want to know what it is.
Cheers,
R.

Yep.

Think you will find a LOT of models that looks just like this one, there: http://www.aerodesign.de/ , and click on "nurflügel" and "Nurflügel - Modellsammlung" . There are models, motorised or not, that range from 30" to 15 ft wingspan, and you get all the specs and , for some, plans and constructions methods/details.

Have fun.

Alain

John O'Sullivan

Jun 07, 2009, 02:47 PM

What is the real answer?

"A man who flew a radiocontrolled model plane within seconds of colliding with a 160-seat Virgin Blue 737 at Perth Airport has escaped jail but is believed to have been fined about $3000.

Yesterday, the safety watchdog wrapped up its investigation into the stunt and would say only that the “appropriate action had been taken”.

Civil Aviation Safety Authority regulations allow for infringement notices with fines to be issued but it cannot disclose the details.

A former CASA inspector said yesterday that this type of offence would have attracted a fine of $3000.

“But really he is extremely lucky he wasn’t charged,” the former inspector said."

OK, was he Fined or was he was not not Fined?
The article clearly stated that he he was not "charged". If this is the case then he cannot be fined.

A little factual data in reporting would help.

John

Gary Mortimer

Jun 07, 2009, 02:48 PM

Yes I wondered about that myself, but the chap was named for the first time, thats new.

airmcn_3

Jun 07, 2009, 02:55 PM

Yep.

Think you will find a LOT of models that looks just like this one, there: http://www.aerodesign.de/ , and click on "nurflügel" and "Nurflügel - Modellsammlung" . There are models, motorised or not, that range from 30" to 15 ft wingspan, and you get all the specs and , for some, plans and constructions methods/details.

Have fun.

Alain

I cant get that website to work...... Bummer.

RolandS888

Jun 08, 2009, 04:39 AM