Phoenix Rc 'Mini Ultimate' 'PA Ultimate AMR' Variant (NOW Mk11)

[Flying Elvis]

Just incase your ever in the mood for a bit of sim bipe flying?

Here is the 'Mimi Ultimate's' Precision Aerobatics Ultimate AMR Variant Mk11.
Plus all four colour schemes, Red, Green, Yellow and Blue now with fantasy Pink and Orange as well.

Until there's an official version I suppose this will have to do.

I've never flown the real 'Ultimate AMR' so Feedback would be most welcome, please and thank you!

Enjoy... :)

[redroste295]

Looks awesome can't wait to try it out! :cool:
redroste295

[flying dog]

Hi Flying Elvis
I sent you a PM but thought that others might like to know how to get these great models put into Phoenix, as I do!
Is it the Mini Ultimate that has had a new design job from the ground up??
Thanks
Richard

[Flying Elvis]

Hi! Yeah it's the Phoenix RC's Mini Ultimate.
All I've done is re-size the wings and change the weight to match that of the Precision Aerobatics Ultimate AMR. Then I had to change the way it handled etc. Then created the schemes to that of the three Ultimate AMR's.

Just put the Variant file in C:\Users\Administrator\Documents\PhoenixRC\Variant s\fixedWing
That's using Vista, I think Windows XP might be C:Users\Documents\PhoenixRC\Variants\fixedWing
I don't use XP so I'm not sure.

Then put the three schemes files in C:\Users\Administrator\Documents\PhoenixRC\Schemes
And maybe for XP C:\Users\Documents\PhoenixRC\Schemes

Enjoy! :)

[flying dog]

Thanks Flying Elvis
It worked. I am not sure why I should surprised at that!!?
I am not sure if there are plans afoot to do the AMR on Phoenix.
I have a PA Addiction at present and would need to buy Realflight if I wanted the sim version but I think that scenes in Phoenix are just so much better.
Do you know if there is an Addiction version out there??
Thanks for your help
Regards
Richard

[Flying Elvis]

I would say there was not an Addiction version out there, as Phoenix make there own models and put them on there web site. All we can do is change the Schemes and flight characteristics. But who knows? Maybe they'll have one in the future. :confused:

[pvogel]

Well, I gotta say, I'm disappointed... I've flown my real PA Ultimate with the iPAs package (Thrust 40 motor, etc.), the RealFlight G4.5 user-contributed variant, and this one on Phoenix. The RealFlight's characteristics are much closer to the real thing (perhaps just a little to docile) than this one. This one has way too much adverse yaw when you pull up vertical and feels considerably underpowered vs. the real thing. Knife Edges are much squirrellier and it's virtually impossible to get this Phoenix model into a Torque roll and a harrier -- much easier with the real thing.

Peter+

[Wilit run? 353]

I would say there was not an Addiction version out there, as Phoenix make there own models and put them on there web site. All we can do is change the Schemes and flight characteristics. But who knows? Maybe they'll have one in the future. :confused:


the max 3D on phoenix looks alot like the addiction from precision aerobatics. with 2.5 out now you can aldo change the plane from IC to electric. Its worth a go

[Tulo]

FE - I have a bit of a geeky question. I don't have Phonix, but nevertheless I opened your zip file "pxv" in my text editor - changed extension to "txt" (got stuff below). Is that the only data that defines the physics in the sim?

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function applyVariant()


--Physical
newObjectType.Weight = 1.090909
newObjectType.Frontal_centre_of_gravity = -0.021875
newObjectType.Vertical_centre_of_gravity = 0.006250
newObjectType.Yaw_inertia = 0.010000
newObjectType.Pitch_inertia = 0.004000
newObjectType.Roll_inertia = 0.007000
newObjectType.Frontal_drag_area = 0.025000
newObjectType.Lateral_drag_area = 0.150000
newObjectType.Vertical_drag_area = 0.150000
newObjectType.Yaw_damping = 0.500000
newObjectType.Pitch_damping = 0.100000
newObjectType.Roll_damping = 0.100000
newObjectType.Wing_rock_tendency = 0.100000
newObjectType.Robustness = 130.000000
newObjectType.Maximum_fuel_flight_time = 8.000000
newObjectType.Minimum_throttle = 0.000000
newObjectType.Maximum_throttle = 1.000000
newObjectType.Engine_idle = 0.000000
newObjectType.Throttle_profile = 1.000000
newObjectType.Throttle_response = { 0.200, 0.200}
newObjectType.Pilot = 0

--Fine_tuning
newObjectType.Thrust_tuning = 113.030884
newObjectType.Wing_lift_tuning = 100.675674
newObjectType.Control_surface_power_tuning = 100.675674
newObjectType.Knife_edge_tuning = 100.482620
newObjectType.Tip_stall_tuning = 50.193047
newObjectType.Elevator_expo = -0.386101
newObjectType.Aileron_expo = -0.386101
newObjectType.Rudder_expo = -0.386101

--Thrust
newObjectType.Thrust_weight_ratio = 2.000000
newObjectType.Thrust_velocity_reduction = 0.150000
newObjectType.Forward_thrust_distance = 0.150000
newObjectType.Vertical_thrust_distance = 0.000000
newObjectType.Lateral_thrust_distance = 0.000000
newObjectType.Thrust_torque = 30.000000
newObjectType.Thrust_side_offset_angle = 0.000000
newObjectType.Thrust_down_offset_angle = 0.000000
newObjectType.Propeller_airflow_speed = 10.000000
newObjectType.Tailunit_wash_influence = 75.000000
newObjectType.Airfoil_wash_influence = 45.000000

--Main_wing
newObjectType.Wingspan = 1.040625
newObjectType.Inner_wing_chord = 0.171875
newObjectType.Outer_wing_chord = 0.171875
newObjectType.Dihedral = 0.000000
newObjectType.Wing_backward_sweep = 6.000000
newObjectType.Wing_root_airfoil = "NACA 0015"
newObjectType.Wing_root_incidence = 0.000000
newObjectType.Wing_tip_airfoil = "NACA 0015"
newObjectType.Wing_tip_incidence = 0.000000
newObjectType.Flap_lift_coefficient = 0.000000
newObjectType.Flap_drag_coefficient = 0.000000
newObjectType.Airbrake_lift_coefficient = 0.000000
newObjectType.Airbrake_drag_coefficient = 0.000000

--Control_surfaces
newObjectType.Lateral_fuselage_lift = 1.000000
newObjectType.Vertical_fuselage_lift = 1.000000
newObjectType.Tail_section_distance = 0.600000
newObjectType.Min_aileron_travel = 25.000000
newObjectType.Max_aileron_travel = 25.000000
newObjectType.Aileron_length = 95.000000
newObjectType.Aileron_chord = 0.068750
newObjectType.Stabiliser_area = 0.039815
newObjectType.Stabiliser_incidence = 0.000000
newObjectType.Stabiliser_airfoil = "NACA 0015"
newObjectType.Elevator_travel = 52.000000
newObjectType.Elevator_area = 0.025000
newObjectType.Fin_area = 0.025000
newObjectType.Fin_height = 0.025000
newObjectType.Fin_airfoil = "NACA 0015"
newObjectType.Rudder_travel = 45.000000
newObjectType.Rudder_area = 0.015741
newObjectType.Flap_travel = 0.000000

--Undercarriage
newObjectType.Frontal_gear_friction = 0.005000
newObjectType.Lateral_gear_friction = 0.200000
newObjectType.Gear_CofG_change = 0.000000
newObjectType.Gear_spring = 0.000000
newObjectType.Guide_wheel_travel = 25.000000
newObjectType.Gear_robustness = 100.000000

--Extras
newObjectType.Smoke_colour = { 255, 255, 255, 255 }
newObjectType.LeftWingStreamer_Length = 0.000000
newObjectType.LeftWingStreamer_colour = { 255, 255, 255, 255 }
newObjectType.RightWingStreamer_Length = 0.000000
newObjectType.RightWingStreamer_colour = { 255, 255, 255, 255 }
newObjectType.TailStreamer_Length = 0.000000
newObjectType.TailStreamer_colour = { 255, 255, 255, 255 }

--Mixing
newObjectType.Flaperon_mixing = 0.000000
newObjectType.Tailavator_mixing = 0.000000
newObjectType.Rudder_Elevator_mixing = 0.000000
newObjectType.Throttle_Rudder_mixing = 0.000000


end

[Flying Elvis]

I would say not, I think all that text is just the stuff that has been altered for the variant. There is still a lot of hidden stuff that you can't alter even within Phoenix Rc's model editing.

Hope that helps. :confused:

[Flying Elvis]

Hi, Here's another attempt at the 'Precision Aerobatics Ultimate AMR' variant.

For the record I have never flown a PA Ultimate AMR only dreamed of. For me it only started out as just the PA Ultimate AMR scheme for the Mini Ultimate.

So this is classed as a Beta variant, it would be great if people offered input into how it handles and feels compared to the real thing. Better still why not alter the variant yourself and post it up.

Or even better, take photos of your real plane and send them into Phoenix so we can have an official version. ;)

Cheers!

[Flying Elvis]

Here's Mk3 of the PA Ultimate AMR.

[Flying Elvis]

Well here's the 'Mini Ultimate' Precision Aerobatics Ultimate AMR variant Mk4.
Still no idea if it fly's like the real thing, input welcome.

Now comes with the new blue scheme, and just for good measure a Pink and Orange one too.

Enjoy! :confused:

[whopper]

Cheers mate, I've downloaded them just not tried them yet.

Some feedback from someone with an AMR would be great.

Maybe an excuse to buy yourself one, for reaserch purposes only of course......

[Flying Elvis]

Here's Mk5! I think this is the last one for now until some feed back comes in.
There's not much point doing more changes until people in the know come through. So come'on guys some feed back please! Hey, what about some more feedback from you 'pvogel'? Your info was very useful before, that's the reason I did more versions.

Cheers! :)

[littleoak]

Here's Mk5! I think this is the last one for now until some feed back comes in.
There's not much point doing more changes until people in the know come through. So come'on guys some feed back please! Hey, what about some more feedback from you 'pvogel'? Your info was very useful before, that's the reason I did more versions.

Cheers! :)

Great little planes. Thanks for making the effort. I've not flown a real one so no comments, but enjoy flying these, and you great color schemes. My daughter loves to fly the pink version.

A

[Flying Elvis]

Cheers! :)

[Flying Elvis]

Ok... So here's 'Ultimate AMR' Mk7, I said I wouldn't post any more AMR Variants up until I got more feed back. But I think Mk7 is better than Mk5 and Mk6 (Mk6 was never posted by the way.)

Let me know what you think of the plane in general, regardless of whether it fly's like the Ultimate AMR or not. How do you think it fly's compared to the other Phoenix RC models.

Cheers!

Enjoy! :)

[littleoak]

Ok... So here's 'Ultimate AMR' Mk7, I said I wouldn't post any more AMR Variants up until I got more feed back. But I think Mk7 is better than Mk5 and Mk6 (Mk6 was never posted by the way.)

Let me know what you think of the plane in general, regardless of whether it fly's like the Ultimate AMR or not. How do you think it fly's compared to the other Phoenix RC models.

Cheers!

Enjoy! :)

Fly's nice. Can do all the good stuff. Waterfalls, harriers, blenders, parachute, pin wheels. Very tricky to balance in a slow high angle harrier, but maybe that is a character of bi-planes, cause I struggle to harrier with the Pitts Performance model.

Flat spins straight to a landing if your careful.

Now how about a WW1 color scheme (British and German).......

Cheers


A

[Flying Elvis]

Cheers!
I can't help but think that a variant still keeps some attributes of the original model it was altered from, it's always been prone to be a bit wing heavy.
I wanted to do a large scale version with the 'Mini Ultimate' but no matter what I did the undercarridge just would not take the weight. :(

I'll keep chipping away at it, it's like a Rubik's cube with hundreds of blocks on each side. :eek:

"Now how about a WW1 color scheme (British and German)......."
I must admit, I had thought about that, would be good for streamer cutting online. Early flight is an area that is not represented in phoenix at all, shame.

[whopper]

There is a TigerMoth in scale aircraft.

[Flying Elvis]

Yeah but I sort of class that as the start of the next phase which ends at the end of WW2. 'IMO'

[Flying Elvis]

Right then!
Here's Mk8, don't forget feed back is really helpful.
It's still a bit wing tippy, no matter what I do it won't stop doing it. Unless I change things to the extent that it just will not fly right at all. Torque rolls and prop hangs are hard to get right also. It never seems to have enough torque when prop hanging. I'll keep playing around with it until I figure it out or I go mad trying. :eek:

Cheers!

[flying dog]

Hi Elvis

I am going to post a link and see if someone who has an AMR and Pheonix, can test it out.

I would like to buy an AMR and practice on a sim with it first. I could go and get RealFlight that has it, but do not want to part with another wadge of cash.

Hopefully we can have some specific detail on howyours flies compared to the real thing, well the model at least!! :D

[Flying Elvis]

No problem, but why not buy it first, fly it, then send in some feedback on how it feels compared to my variant, ha ha. :D

[flying dog]

Well Elvis

I need to wait until Christmas and as they say, practice on the sim 1st! :(

[littleoak]

Right then!
Here's Mk8, don't forget feed back is really helpful.
It's still a bit wing tippy, no matter what I do it won't stop doing it. Unless I change things to the extent that it just will not fly right at all. Torque rolls and prop hangs are hard to get right also. It never seems to have enough torque when prop hanging. I'll keep playing around with it until I figure it out or I go mad trying. :eek:

Cheers!

Yes nice improvement. Wings steadier now. Cheers.

[Flying Elvis]

Well here's Mk9 of the 'MiniUltimate' Precision Aerobatics Ultimate AMR Variant.

It's a very tricky plane to do in Phoenix Rc. I've got the real AMR saying I don't fly like a normal bipe, I'm more stable in the air and I don't like to tip stall. But then I've got Phoenix saying yeah but it's a bipe so therefore you will be unstable and have loads of tip stalling as default. :mad:

Wing rock seems to be directly connected with torque in Phoenix. If you decrease the wing rocking the that means you decrease torque. So in a prop hang the plane just sits there with no desire to rotate. :confused:

Anyway here's Mk9.

Enjoy... :o

[Flying Elvis]

Hello.

Here's the 'Mini Ultimate' Precision Aerobatics Ultimate AMR Variant Mk10.

I think this is the best one yet, it seems to be a more balanced plane all round. Though wouldn't know if it's anything like the real thing, yet.

It's hard to get everything to work together, because at the end of the day all your doing is pushing numbers around a small box on your computer screen. A wire mesh around the model would help a bit, showing changes, drag areas and control surfaces, etc, etc.

So here it is, the best one yet (IMO) I give you Mk10!

Don't forget feedback is nice.
Enjoy. :)

[Flying Elvis]

Hello.

Here's the 'Mini Ultimate' Precision Aerobatics Ultimate AMR Variant Mk11.

Ignore the above post this one is the best yet! (IMO) :rolleyes:

Although I'm still having trouble getting it to torque roll. I have a feeling that torque rolling is something I'm just going to have to compromise on. If you increase engine torque in the edit menu all you seem to get is a increase in the gyroscopic effect. The only way I've found to get it to torque roll is to make the model wing rock and tip stall to much. :confused:

Good news is that now it will do Rolling Harriers much better, but it's still skill dependent though! :D

So here it is the 'Mini Ultimate' Precision Aerobatics Ultimate AMR Variant Mk11.

Don't forget feedback is liked, nice and needed.

Enjoy. :)