Idle-up on Clearview Sim?

[helinut2]

I have a 4 channel simulator transmitter called Exceed and there are no idle-up switches on this transmitter. I see that Clearview indicated F1 on & F2 off for the idle-up key board feature. I can't get it to work. Does it only work if one is using only the key board to fly? Other key board features are working along with the actual transmitter as the main controller.
I tried the Real Flight G4 simulator today. Probably shouldn't have done that cause now I'm comparing, and the Clearview is a tad disappointing in comparison. Course the Clearview is way,way less expensive...

[skirtz]

Well, everything in life cost money. 42 inch TV cost less than 46 inch and yes, you will find 46 inch screen to be a bit bigger than the 42 inch... It is personal decision - only you can justify paying few times the price of ClearView for some extra features. For some people, they are important, for others - not that much, it all depends what you want to spend. I say - more choices, the better.

Now, to your question - Please go to Controler Setup in ClearView and check if the keys F1/F2 are assigned to Idle Up On/Off. If not, assign them and Idle Up will work.

Stefan
http://rcflightsim.com

[helinut2]

Well, everything in life cost money. 42 inch TV cost less than 46 inch and yes, you will find 46 inch screen to be a bit bigger than the 42 inch... It is personal decision - only you can justify paying few times the price of ClearView for some extra features. For some people, they are important, for others - not that much, it all depends what you want to spend. I say - more choices, the better.

Now, to your question - Please go to Controler Setup in ClearView and check if the keys F1/F2 are assigned to Idle Up On/Off. If not, assign them and Idle Up will work.

Stefan
http://rcflightsim.com

Well in reality Stefan, I don't see where the 4.5 Real Flight is worth 5 times more than Clearview. My personal opinion is the Clearview for the buck is a really good deal, and the program is pretty realistic. I did figure out the idle up key assignment, and it is operating perfectly. Now all I need to do is figure out how to add other aircraft. I don't understand this unzipp files and upload to simulator. :o I'll just keep trying till I figure it out
Thanks for the help

[Slowandlow]

I have a similar problem: I couldnt get my Hitec Optic 6 to work in idle up, there seems to be a conflict between my tx and the CW settings? I cant get any negative pitch in idle up, the heli only climbs when lowering the left stick...

At the start i had no problem to fly in normal mode, but now its all messed up with the throttle/ pitch, i dont understand how to set those features. How do they interact with throttle hold? Do i set all this in the CW, or can (or should) i set my TX as i have done with my real trex?

Every function in the sim works, but the controls dont react as they do in real life, they just go criss cross... Should i reset my heli set up in the sim- model memory? And why cant i set the tx to 120 deg swash plate when using the Clear View?

And worse yet, now im out of flying time in my demo version, and i havent had the chance to even set up all controls and try to fly, thats sucks... :-)

Now i dont know if i want to byu it, since i havent been able to try it out in the first place... What/ how to do...?

BRG/ Örjan

[skirtz]

Please create a new PLANE model on the Tx, name it SIM and use that model for simulator only to fly any model, plane, heli, collective pitch heli in the simulator. ClearView only needs to read the position of the sticks. Therefore, you can use any 4 ch. controller to fly all collective helicopters in ClearView, perform 3d and autorotations. Here is why:

Collective pitch helis are controlled via 5 channels:
Ch. 1 - Eileron
Ch. 2 - Elevator
Ch. 3 - Throttle
Ch. 4 - Rudder
Ch. 6 - Pitch (collective)

On the transmitter, when you fly collective helicopter, you control only 4 sticks - the left stick for throttle and rudder and the right stick for elevator and ailerons. How the heli gets the cyclic channel (channel 6)?

The answer is, that the Transmitter generates the channel 6 values based on the Throttle stick position. The Tx uses so called pitch curves that define what pitch to send depending of the throttle stick position.

ClearView implements full transmitter simulation on per model basis, so ClearView provides these pitch curves and the are defined for each model.

In simple terms, ClearView needs to read the sticks position only. It does not need the generated 6 channel (because ClearView generates these values itself). The same is valid for CPPM setup in the transmitter - ClearView does not need that. For that reason, you need to use separate mode on the Tx so ClearView is able to read the sticks.

Finally, for your Optic Tx and Idle Up - You must find a switch on the Tx that control real RC channel and also your cable must be able to expose that channel to the PC - so you can see the channel values change on the computer when you toggle the switch. Then, assing this extra channel to ClearView Idle Up control in Controller Setup.


Stefan
http://rcflightsim.com

[Slowandlow]

Thanx for reply! I read the flight manual and now understand how the program works.

But i spent to hours in agony, trying to understand why i couldnt get my throttle hold and/ or idle up to work..! I had strange promblems with calibrating my tx in windows, there where problems with finding the right buttons for th hold/ idle up in Clear View, and i couldnt understand why they counteracted each other..!?

I made theese crusual discoveries regarding Clear View + Hitec Optic 6 + helicopter:
-set new model type in TX to "heli"
-throttle hold in TX model set up must be set to active (not inhibited), else the switch 1 on the TX will not work in the simulator!

-idle up can only be activated by Switch 2 on the left side of tx (i choosed "button 1" in CV controller set up).
-throttle hold in Clear View controller set up must be inactivated by choosing a button that doesnt do anything.

I deactivated the throttle hold in CV setup, after i accidently discovered that the function "throttle hold" works anyway (rise the throttle stick and hit throttle hold switch on TX, and watch the throttle bar at the top of CV setup page drop to zero!)

The problem that almost drove me crazy, whas that when i switched idle up to "on" and then lowered throttle stick while "throttle hold" was set to an active button in CV, only resulted in the reaction "throttle hold = on" (since the function automatically was mixed with the throttle stick position and engaged the throttle hold function when lowering the th stick, with result no engine rpm at low stick in idle up- mode!!?!??).

I hope i am expressing myself enough complicated to be understandable...;-) By doing as above, i simply got the idle up and throttle hold functions in CV separated, and can now control the functions from my tx.

Has anybody else been successful in setting up a Hitec Optic 6 with the FMS Usb- cable?

How in earth are one supposed to calibrate the tx in windows, it completely irratic..?

Can i get a new trial period by re- installing a new copy of the CV (id like to try my new settings before i buy the pgrogram...)

BRG/ Örjan

[skirtz]

For best results, the controller must be callibrated in Windows first. When Windows ask to press a button on the controller and continue, press space bar instead. Callibrate when on HIGH rates (then you will be able to use the low rates switches on the Tx). If after the callibration you get jitters in the controls, the Tx pots are dirty or the cable is bad. If all is properly set and the hardware is in god working order, you suppose to get fill travel in ClearView and almost no jitter.

Regarding the trial period, once it expires, it can't be reset. Even if you install ClearView a new, it will be expired.

Finally, regarding the effort you invested, I guess this is part of the hobby. This hobby is rather technical and requires certain level of dedication and technical know how. No amount of documentation (which can be confusing on itself) can cover all possibilities. And frankly these days no one reads documentation anyway.

Stefan
http://rcflightsim.com

[Slowandlow]

thanx again! yepp, no pain, no gain... :-)

Ill try a new windows calibration sometime, right now it seems ok.

Considering i finally got my tx and the ClearView set up to work properly, did i get it right at all after having done as mentioned before, or should i set something different..?

Thanx again, i think ill buy the CV and try it out some more...
/öv

[skirtz]

I think it should work. It is a little different from what I proposed - you use the Tx throttle hold so the Tx sets the throttle to 0. ClearView will stil however use the pitrch curve for normal flight mode (because ClearView does not know you swithced to throttle hold). It will work, if you use the same curves in ClearView for idle up, normal and hold (I do use same curves to avoid nasty collective jump when switching).
You can set the Tx Idle Up to use the Tx Idle Up curve and the same logic applies - the models will fly in idle up, but ClearView iwll not now to apply idle up curve, but if they are the same it does not mater. To sum it up, with these limitations (same pitch curves for all conditions) will work.

Stefan
http://rcflightsim.com

[Slowandlow]

I have now bought the CV, it looks nice and works! But i strongly have to correct my self... :-) The regular throttle hold- switch on my TX can NOT be used to activate throttle hold in CV, only thing that happens is the throttle AND pitch is set to zero= not so good auto rotations... :-)

Only way to activate thr. hold in CV from my TX is with throttle stick (not so good either..?!?), and the switch 2, but only TOGETHER with idle up..!! Result: when idle up is "on", the throttle hold is "off", flipping switch shuts idle up into "off" and the trh. hold into "on"..! :-)

This actually works fine, but i always have to start flying with idle up activated. Its ok in sim, but i musnt forget to switch it properly in real life... :-) Is it really that easy to do auto- rotations..?!?

I still have to find out if/ how i can set up my tx to get separate control of throttle hold and idle up. Main thing is that i can learn how to fly with the skids upwards... :-)

ps: i have some short, thin black lines over the heli, that moves straight up or down when i move the throttle stick. Is it a RC- bug..?

BRG/ örjan