diff between 4ch & 6ch...bored of my 4ch

[kryznic]

I've been flying a Esky Co-Comanche for months now, maybe a year. I'm bored of its limited capability and want to move up to something more advanced, like the Walker 4G3 or 4#3B. They are 6 channel copters. I'm just wondering exactly what that means? What are the 2 extra channels for? And am I going to have to learn how to fly all over again with one of the 6ch helis?

Thanks,

-Chris

[Balr14]

Yes, you are going to have to learn to fly all over again. It's not the difference in channels, it's the difference in number of main blades. A coax heli is inherently stable, a single rotor heli is inherently unstable. You only need 4 channels for any heli, you only have two thumbs. Channel 5 and 6 control cyclic (collective blade pitch) and gyro gain. They are mixed into your other 4 channels by a mixer unit or by the transmitter.

The 4#3B is a fixed pitch (FP) heli and uses 4 channels; the 4G3 is collective pitch (CP) and uses 5 channels. Walkera uses basically two transmitter models for all of their helis, that have more channels available than their helis use. In any case, both of these helis represent a huge change for you.

The general rule for single rotor helis is the bigger they are, the more stable they are. The opposite is also true. The helis you mentioned are like hummingbirds on crack. If you are young, you will adjust in a few weeks or months; if you are over 40, you will probably give up and try something else. The good news is they are quite durable and don't cost a fortune to fix.

[kryznic]

thank you for the well put response! Makes total sense. I'm 30 so I guess I'm good to go lol but I know what your saying. Trying to get my dad to try my coax was not happening. Maybe I will look into something a little larger, the 4#3b looked good and was a good price. And like you said parts are decently priced.

I guess my only other question would be the different between (FP) and (CP) but I'll look around see what I can find out on my own.

[osterizer]

Oh, now, I'm over 40 and I learned on one of those flighty little things. Be careful of generalizations, my friend.

kryznic, there is a lot of discussion of FP vs CP in this forum. You'll probably find the info you need.

[Balr14]

Oh, now, I'm over 40 and I learned on one of those flighty little things. Be careful of generalizations, my friend.



Generally speaking, most people start with something else, or set their 4#3 aside while they learn on something else after trying for weeks. If you look at the ages of those who say how easy and stable they are, they track younger. So, either you had something else as well, or theres' some other reason why your reflexes are above normal.

You will notice I didn't utter the SRB word! ;)

[osterizer]

Lol :).

[kryznic]

would anyone be able to recommend a good single rotor heli to start out with?

[Blade_Killer]

Honey Bee FP...............

[finnen]

If your sure you want to continue flying, and have some money, go for a trex 450 or a clone (like HK450, EXI450 or CopterX). You will outgrow a HB FP pretty quick.

BUT...get a sim if you do that, otherwise you will crash a lot. Helisimrc is probably good enough, and free. I would get a sim either way thoug.

[kryznic]

I'm just kinda confused of which heli to get. I dont want a piece of junk but I really dont want to spend over 200-250 if possible cuz I don't want break something really expensive.

On top of that i dunno if I should get a 4ch single blade or 6ch? I want to improve my flying skills and I'm wondering if a 4ch will be a step up from my coax.

Also all these vendors sites are so messy I'm having a hard time telling one thing from another on them or even where to buy one in the US. Maybe I will just pick up the Honey Bee from hobby lobby and start with that.

[Blade_Killer]

http://www.bphobbies.com/view.asp?id=W262062&pid=W486781 <<<V4 can use the same LiPo you have with your coax
http://www.xheli.com/brneweshoiv4.html <<<V4 can use the same LiPo you have with your coax
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/honeybee3.htm <<<Mk3, comes with same LiPo you have with your coax

only difference between the Mk3 and V4 is the included LiPo with the Mk3, helis are exactly the same

[kryznic]

awesome thank you Blade K.!! Tax return should be here any day and then going to order up. :)

I know this is down the long road into the future but what would be the next logical type of heli once I master the HBFP? Just about any type of CP or should I stay away from certain brands? Again, not looking to spend a fortune (yet anyway) and a heli, I want to make sure I am mastered before I take that plunge.

Thanks to everyone that helped out. :)

[Balr14]

You would probably want something a bit bigger, like a 450 class heli and you definitely want a belt driven tail and head holding gyro. There are a lot of options open to you when you get that far. My choice would be the TT Mini Titan or TT Innovator 530, if money was no object. Otherwise, a Trex 450 or Trex clone kit. Many people like the Blade 400. I don't care for E-Flight helis, they always seem to have a "fatal flaw" somewhere.

But, who knows; you might decide to go bigger than that, or small. A lot depends on where you have to fly.

[Blade_Killer]

I would say a good quality 450, there are lots of them out there....

[kryznic]

good enough for me, thanks again! cant wait to pilot my honey bee, they look like good fun. :)

[osterizer]

They are, kryznic. Enjoy :).

For next helis, you have a while to figure that one out. If you get some good skills with the feep you'll be able to fly larger ones as well. Then it will depend on your budget, your space, and what you want to learn to do next.